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Old June 17th, 2019, 04:34 PM   #5221
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The cameras are not germane¹ to the discussion, I think; This kind of data is already collected by any transit agency that has any kind of suitable sensor (eg. infrared, surveillance cameras, etc on buses or trains to figure out passenger loads).

The real issue is that the MTA hasn't produced a reasonably comprehensive ToS/privacy policy, and as such are creating a headache for themselves by appearing shady.

I highly doubt they're even capable of carrying out any of the most nefarious aspects of what people might assume these oversights portend, but this is clearly going to be a PR nightmare for them and could have been avoided.




¹If they're for anything other than scanning QR/barcodes, they're to count passengers going in/out to help determine fare evasion
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Old June 18th, 2019, 09:13 AM   #5223
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Old June 19th, 2019, 01:47 AM   #5224
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Old June 19th, 2019, 05:40 AM   #5225
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What exactly is the NYC Subway waiting for to install platform doors?

I would think it would be possible to have platform doors operated by the conductor with a control panel outside his window, like what they have on some Japanese railways...
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Old June 19th, 2019, 08:03 AM   #5226
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Why would they install PSD's in the first place? It's not that it's commonplace in all other metro systems.
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Do you really need platform doors though?
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Old June 19th, 2019, 11:28 AM   #5228
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What exactly is the NYC Subway waiting for to install platform doors?

I would think it would be possible to have platform doors operated by the conductor with a control panel outside his window, like what they have on some Japanese railways...
There's lots more important things to spend money on. And they would cost $100m per station at New York prices
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Old June 19th, 2019, 11:37 AM   #5229
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In the early days of mass transportation, rival private companies often built transportation lines close to one another, competing to capture customers and fares. Individual transit companies would map their own rail, bus or subway lines – with no mention of any other transit options. So, riders were forced to consult a bewildering variety of sources to determine how to travel. Commercial mapmakers such as August Ohman, Andrew Hagstrom, and George Nostrand created integrated maps showing the all the competing lines together.

This #NYTMCollection map was created by August R. Ohman in 1925. The map clearly marked transfers between subway, trolley, and elevated lines, after the system’s expansion in the 1920s. Ohman’s maps were the first to depict the rapid transit network as a whole.

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Old June 19th, 2019, 12:17 PM   #5230
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Do you really need platform doors though?
I recall they were planning a pilot at 3rd Avenue on the Canarsie Line, that was priced at $30 million.

There are some quite low-cost designs that the Japanese are pushing out across Tokyo, but yeah, if it's not invented in New York...
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I don't want to stray too far offtopic here and lead to a big argument, but I don't really see the benefits of platform doors. Yes, some people fall on rails sometime (whether on accident or deliberately). If it's an accident, there should be plenty of people around to help, whether its signaling the driver, contacting the authorities, or instructing the person on where to go and how to climb back up while avoiding the 3rd rail. Obviously the subway is a 24 hour service, so there may be plenty of situations where there may be no people around to help, but the frequency of nighttime service is much lower as well which significantly lowers your chances of having a run in with the train. If it's deliberate, there isn't much you can do about that indeed, and a disruption to the service will happen, not to mention the tragedy of it all. But spending several million dollars per station to prevent a possible suicide attempt (that probably won't actually prevent suicide anyway, just prevent it from happening in the subway) seems like a lot. There are better ways to spend that money on the subway AND there are better ways to spend that money to help out suicidal folk. Not to mention that these new doors have moving parts, and as such will need regular service, which is either money on staff or money on service contracts.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 06:09 PM   #5232
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I don't want to stray too far offtopic here and lead to a big argument, but I don't really see the benefits of platform doors.
Platform doors allow trains to enter at full speed in the station even when the platform is overcrowded. Without those, the train is forced to enter and leave at a slower speed for obvious safety reasons. This increases the time spent on station which as a consequence reduce the max frequency of trains on the line (the faster a train moves out, the faster the next one can come in).

In Paris, that's the reason why they've been added on line 13, which is notorious for being saturated. Trains can't handle all passengers so the platforms get fully filled and people have even to queue in access corridors.

Platform doors are also required for driverless trains. As there's no one in the cabin in order to pull on the brakes if any unexpected event occures, we simply cannot afford to keep an open access to rail tracks in such a context. That's why we have those one line 1 and 14 (and why they are added to line 4 which is currently under full-automation works).

But I agree with you otherwise. On lines which aren't automated which doesn't suffer because of regular overcrowding, potential gains with platform doors are marginal.
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#TodayinHistory: #OnThisDay in 1947, the New York City Transit Authority announced details of the R11 subway car order. At a ceremony celebrating the R11 car design, dignitaries marveled over a detailed model of the car. Now a treasured part of the #NYTMCollection, the scale model featured many of the innovations the R11 cars introduced: round porthole windows, a sleek shot-welded stainless-steel body, and ceiling vents equipped with special ultraviolet lamps in place of traditional ceiling fans. The model also included a cut out section displaying the original interior design of the R11 cars, including miniature beige and blue striped wicker seats and tiny vintage ads for popular household products at the time.

This model is currently housed in the Museum’s Gabrielle Shubert Research Center in Sunset Park, but if you love the R11 car class, come on down to the Transit Museum in Downtown Brooklyn to see the real deal! Vintage R11/R34 car #8013 is available to board and explore on our platform level.








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Old June 21st, 2019, 06:04 AM   #5234
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when will the MTA start installing CBTC in other lines?
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#ParadeofTrains is back! Ride the rails in historic style on Saturday and Sunday, September 28th and 29th, by hopping on and off a selection of cars from the Museum’s vintage fleet at the Brighton Beach Station B/Q platforms.

Please Note: Parade of Trains is free with a swipe of your MetroCard! Shuttle rides will run continuously to and from the Brighton Beach station express platforms from 11am to 4pm. Brighton Beach will serve as the sole terminus for all shuttle rides. Vintage trains will be traveling in both directions, making a short round trip to Ocean Parkway and a longer round trip to Kings Highway. Passengers will only be able to get on and off the trains at the Brighton Beach station. Car equipment TBD.

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Prior to system unification in 1940, private companies such as banks and hotels created their own transit maps. Their maps incorporated all three independent subway systems and boldly marked their own businesses. Featured in our #NavigatingNY exhibit, this #NYTMCollection map, created by Stephen Voorhies for Union Dime Savings Bank in 1940, was designed and produced independently. However, the New York City Transit Authority briefly officially issued it from 1954-1957 as a free map.

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"El" trains were once a main transportation source on Manhattan. Here's a map as they appeared on Manhattan in 1939. This is the large version.

IRT route map 1939




City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 3rd Avenue El
Location: Hanover Square
Car: MUDC
Collection of: Ed Watson/Arthur Lonto Collection
Notes: A southbound train of MUDC cars approaches Hanover Square station on the Pearl Street extension of the Third Avenue El in the 1940s.



City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 9th Avenue El
Location: Rector Street
Car: MUDC
Collection of: Joe Testagrose
Date: 3/25/1940



City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 3rd Avenue El
Location: Chatham Square
Car: Manhattan El 979
Photo by: Frank Goldsmith
Collection of: Joe Testagrose
Date: 6/8/1940



City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 3rd Avenue El
Location: Canal Street
Car: MUDC
Photo by: Frank Pfuhler
Date: 5/12/1955
Notes: View looking south at Chatham Sq. station.



City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 3rd Avenue El
Location: 9th Street
Car: MUDC
Photo by: Frank Pfuhler
Date: 5/12/1955
Notes: Northbound express.



City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 3rd Avenue El
Location: 34th Street
Car: MUDC
Photo by: Frank Pfuhler
Date: 5/10/1955
Notes: Work train.



City: New York
System: New York City Transit
Line: 9th Avenue El
Location: 155th Street
Car: MUDC
Collection of: Joe Testagrose
Date: 1935

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Manufactured by the St. Louis Car Company between 1961 and 1962, the R30 subway cars were nearly identical to the R27s ordered just two years prior. Both train types were coupled as “married pairs,” and the fleets replaced most of the BMT Standards and primarily ran on the BMT Eastern Division.

Like the R27 fleet, the R30s sported quite a few paint schemes while in service. The cars were delivered in a dark olive-green shade, but throughout the late 1960s to the 1980s, most of the fleet was repainted bright red and nicknamed the BMT #Redbirds. The General Electric-powered R30s were also overhauled in the 1980s as a part of the Clean Car Program, an initiative to eradicate graffiti on NYC subway cars.

#OnThisDay in 1993, the last of the General Electric R30s ran on the C line, with a farewell trip sponsored by the Electric Railroaders Association. Were any of our followers on the Farewell to the R30 Fan Trip? Tell us your stories of these cars in the comments below.


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Not all tokens are created equal! “Y” not? Because these Y-cut tokens were punched off-kilter! The letter standing for the “York” in New York City is supposed to be nestled between the “N” and the “C” but sometimes the punch fell in the wrong place. These specimens’ counterparts were in use from 1970-1980. As the tongue-twister goes: New York’s Unique!


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I kind of miss tokens. These were the days and some.
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#TodayinHistory: #OnThisDay in 1956, the IND Rockaway Line began subway service. The line was originally part of the Long Island Railroad. Starting in the 1890s, the Brooklyn Elevated Railway and later the BRT used the line for Brooklyn Elevated trains. In 1950, a track fire destroyed the trestle across Jamaica Bay, making the line unusable. The LIRR sold the line to the City for $8.5m and converted it for subway use. All of the stations except Far Rockaway – Mott Avenue opened on June 28, 1956, with the Far Rockaway station opening in January of 1958.

This #NYTMCollection photograph from the NYCTA Photograph Unit Collection shows Charles L. Patterson, NYCTA Chairman, with his wife and son, Charles L. Patterson Jr., putting the first token into the turnstile at the new Grant Avenue Station during the IND Rockaway line opening celebrations.


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