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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:08 PM   #2081
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Been trying to think about Liverpool's 21st century 'cultural imprint' - people or things that have registered at a national/international level in a significant way for better or worse that have the concept of Liverpool the place attached to them.

Obviously not a completely exhaustive list...(in no particular order)

Homes for a pound
Joe Anderson
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Hillsborough Justice Campaign
Daniel Craig
Jodie Comer (Killing Eve)
Granby Four Streets
Liverpool FC
Everton FC
John Bishop
Ricky Tomlinson
Alexei Sayle
Craig Charles
Les Dennis
Beryl Bainbridge
Luciana Berger
Grand National
Tony Bellew
Capital of Culture
Esther McVey
Mel C (Spice Girls)
Jimmy McGovern
Frank Cottrel-Boyce
Steven Gerrard
Jamie Carragher
A House in Time
North Point Global / Collapsed China Town scheme
Paul Hollywood
Stephen Graham
Fiona Bruce
Alder Hey Hospital
The Coral
John MacDonald
Paul Nuttall
Sue Johnston
School of Tropical Medicine
University of Liverpool
The revitalised waterfront view
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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:29 PM   #2082
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The revitalised waterfront view
I'd say 'cultural imprint' is not the same as institutional excellence. The School of Tropical Medicine is no doubt a leader in its field and of national and even international importance, but I think it's a stretch to see it as part of the 21st century cultural imprint of the city. Otherwise, we open the door to any organisation that is good at its job. Has STM added to the national conversation in what is typically understood as culture rather than science? I'd say not. Alder Hey gets in, I think, because of it's profile in the media.

I think the same applies to the University.

Renewed waterfront - more contentious but the renewal of the Albert Dock took place before the turn of the century. And the arena is not a ground-breaking building, but one that is fairly common in cities of Liverpool's size. Yes, it's a damn useful facility and an asset, but it's not really a talking point of national significance. Plus, what's of real value on the waterfront is what has been there a long time already before the 21st century - the three graces and the docks.

I think building's can definitely be included in a list like this, but I think of it more like, would it ever appear on a postcard? Is it ground-breaking or iconic in some way?
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Old October 21st, 2019, 07:22 PM   #2083
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Been trying to think about Liverpool's 21st century 'cultural imprint' - people or things that have registered at a national/international level in a significant way for better or worse that have the concept of Liverpool the place attached to them.

Obviously not a completely exhaustive list...(in no particular order)

Homes for a pound
Joe Anderson
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Hillsborough Justice Campaign
Daniel Craig
Jodie Comer (Killing Eve)
Granby Four Streets
Liverpool FC
Everton FC
John Bishop
Ricky Tomlinson
Alexei Sayle
Craig Charles
Les Dennis
Beryl Bainbridge
Luciana Berger
Grand National
Tony Bellew
Capital of Culture
Esther McVey
Mel C (Spice Girls)
Jimmy McGovern
Frank Cottrel-Boyce
Steven Gerrard
Jamie Carragher
A House in Time
North Point Global / Collapsed China Town scheme
Paul Hollywood
Stephen Graham
Fiona Bruce
Alder Hey Hospital
The Coral
John MacDonald
Paul Nuttall
Sue Johnston
Wayne Rooney
Callum Smith (Smith brothers in fact)
Darren Till
Liverpool ONE
Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson (Obviously not from Liverpool but both iconic pundits within the time relative to environment of match of the day and wholly associated with Liverpool)
Home and Bargain?
Ladytron
Creamfields
Peter Serafinowicz
Joey Barton
Natasha Jonas
Toni Duggan
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Old October 21st, 2019, 07:54 PM   #2084
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Coral are a superb band, and Zutons wrote one of the hits of the past 20 years in Valerie. Wombats are dire though.

I do think Liverpool needs a big, respected band again though. A lot of x factor types but they are 10 a penny everywhere.
I like Anthony Russell a lot. Saw the lad in the Strand a couple of weeks ago.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 07:54 PM   #2085
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Wayne Rooney
Callum Smith (Smith brothers in fact)
Darren Till
Liverpool ONE
Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson (Obviously not from Liverpool but both iconic pundits within the time relative to environment of match of the day and wholly associated with Liverpool)
Home and Bargain?
Ladytron
Creamfields
Peter Serafinowicz
Joey Barton
Natasha Jonas
Toni Duggan
Wayne Rooney - Yes

Callum Smith - No, he's a very recent world champ and there are a lot of them. I'd say no at this point, but it's arguable

Darren Till - too niche

Liverpool One - Yes, spoken about in countless articles and a key part of l'pool's identity

Hansen/Lawrenson - not from Liverpool

Home and Bargain - Yes

Ladytron - too niche

Creamfields - yes, for good and bad

Peter S - didn't know he was from L'pool. Not really a big talked about star

Joey Barton - sadly yes

Natasha Jonas - women's boxing is still pretty niche isn't it? And she never won gold

Toni Duggan - Not sure - how big a star in the women's game is she?

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Old October 21st, 2019, 07:57 PM   #2086
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Been trying to think about Liverpool's 21st century 'cultural imprint' - people or things that have registered at a national/international level in a significant way for better or worse that have the concept of Liverpool the place attached to them.

Obviously not a completely exhaustive list...(in no particular order)

Homes for a pound
Joe Anderson
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Hillsborough Justice Campaign
Daniel Craig
Jodie Comer (Killing Eve)
Granby Four Streets
Liverpool FC
Everton FC
John Bishop
Ricky Tomlinson
Alexei Sayle
Craig Charles
Les Dennis
Beryl Bainbridge
Luciana Berger
Grand National
Tony Bellew
Capital of Culture
Esther McVey
Mel C (Spice Girls)
Jimmy McGovern
Frank Cottrel-Boyce
Steven Gerrard
Jamie Carragher
A House in Time
North Point Global / Collapsed China Town scheme
Paul Hollywood
Stephen Graham
Fiona Bruce
Alder Hey Hospital
The Coral
John MacDonald
Paul Nuttall
Sue Johnston
Wayne Rooney
Liverpool ONE
Home & Bargain
Creamfields
Joey Barton
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Old October 21st, 2019, 08:10 PM   #2087
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I suppose we should get back to talking about the Baltic Triangle in here again, this thread's gone way off subject.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 09:06 PM   #2088
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Old October 21st, 2019, 09:07 PM   #2089
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Old October 22nd, 2019, 09:52 AM   #2090
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It's hard to break out these days, especially for a band. The only genuinely huge British band of the 2000s has been Coldplay and they're far from being to everyone's taste.

Liverpool did quite well out the Britpop era with Cast/Space/Lightning Seeds/Echo and the Bunnymen but other than The Coral (and the song most will know is already about 20 years old) it's been very quiet since. That music scene (Britpop) has died out now, but it's Oasis you always retrospectively here. You're as likely to hear an Oasis song in a town bar as The Beatles.

You illustrate a more general difficulty with trying to establish any musical (or other cultural) phenomenon nowadays from Liverpool (or anywhere else). Over the last 20 years, we have seen mainstream music become dominated by a sort of globalised homogenized pop (with R&B, dance and hip hop influences) which could be made just about anywhere, while other genres of music and their fanbase have become more fragmented and compartmentalised.

So if Liverpool gave rise to the next global pop superstar, it would be unlikely to lead to the development of any wider music scene recognisably linked to the city. And while the city continues to produce fine bands, the current set-up of the music industry means that none are likely to ever achieve superstardom
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Old October 23rd, 2019, 01:40 PM   #2091
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I cant see a recognised ''scene'' developing in any specific city/town anymore. There's no real mystery to music now and everything can be shared in an instant across the globe. I was talking to a friend on the subject aswell that realistically where could a new music genre come from? When electronic music came along it bust open whole new possibilities but how many other ways to produce sounds are there that are yet to be discovered? Its just going to be more of the same but in different configurations it feels like everythings been done.
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Old October 23rd, 2019, 11:53 PM   #2092
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I cant see a recognised ''scene'' developing in any specific city/town anymore. There's no real mystery to music now and everything can be shared in an instant across the globe. I was talking to a friend on the subject aswell that realistically where could a new music genre come from? When electronic music came along it bust open whole new possibilities but how many other ways to produce sounds are there that are yet to be discovered? Its just going to be more of the same but in different configurations it feels like everythings been done.
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Old October 24th, 2019, 05:25 PM   #2093
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Been trying to think about Liverpool's 21st century 'cultural imprint' - people or things that have registered at a national/international level in a significant way for better or worse that have the concept of Liverpool the place attached to them.

Obviously not a completely exhaustive list...(in no particular order)

Homes for a pound
Joe Anderson
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Hillsborough Justice Campaign
Daniel Craig
Jodie Comer (Killing Eve)
Granby Four Streets
Liverpool FC
Everton FC
John Bishop
Ricky Tomlinson
Alexei Sayle
Craig Charles
Les Dennis
Beryl Bainbridge
Luciana Berger
Grand National
Tony Bellew
Capital of Culture
Esther McVey
Mel C (Spice Girls)
Jimmy McGovern
Frank Cottrel-Boyce
Steven Gerrard
Jamie Carragher
A House in Time
North Point Global / Collapsed China Town scheme
Paul Hollywood
Stephen Graham
Fiona Bruce
Alder Hey Hospital
The Coral
John MacDonald
Paul Nuttall
Sue Johnston
Wayne Rooney
Liverpool ONE
Home & Bargain
Creamfields
Joey Barton
What about the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra. Oldest symphony orchestra in the UK, internationally recognised, huge recording catalogue etc etc.
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Old October 24th, 2019, 06:21 PM   #2094
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Anyone want to talk about the Baltic Triangle here?
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Old October 24th, 2019, 06:30 PM   #2095
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Anyone want to talk about the Baltic Triangle here?
I hear the Baltic Triangle plays a very important role in 21st century cultural zeitgeist....

But yes. Buildings talk, please!
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Old October 25th, 2019, 01:04 AM   #2096
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I hear the Baltic Triangle plays a very important role in 21st century cultural zeitgeist....

But yes. Buildings talk, please!

We're all ears. What buildings would you like to talk about ?
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We're all ears. What buildings would you like to talk about ?
New ones. Keep chat about the old ones on www.heritagecity.com.
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New ones. Keep chat about the old ones on www.heritagecity.com.

Yes, well I know that you favour flattening the entire built environment except the Three Graces, and even they might not survive if there's enough Lego available to build their replacements out of.

Feel free to talk about these new buildings, however. Presumably you have lots to say that is so important that no-one could possibly be allowed to discuss anything different.
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Yes, well I know that you favour flattening the entire built environment except the Three Graces, and even they might not survive if there's enough Lego available to build their replacements out of.

Feel free to talk about these new buildings, however. Presumably you have lots to say that is so important that no-one could possibly be allowed to discuss anything different.
It's called staying on topic.

No building is sacred, you're right on that front.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard any more news about Baltic Creative's next stage plans? I think they were working in partnership with a housing provider or something.
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It's called staying on topic.

No building is sacred, you're right on that front.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard any more news about Baltic Creative's next stage plans? I think they were working in partnership with a housing provider or something.

And it's because no building is sacred, or more accurately because too many developers share your complete lack of appreciation of the quality of older buildings, that we end up with abominations like New Lime Street disfiguring prominent city centre locations, and a townscape eding ever closer to Hemel Hempsteadom.
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