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Old July 15th, 2017, 01:18 AM   #1
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Whitehorse Estates Ltd and Baskerville Wharf LLP, the owners of The Flapper, are developing proposals to redevelop the site at Cambrian Wharf off Kingston Row.


Plans will be shown on Wednesday the 19th July, 2pm-8pm at Austin Court.

http://www.baskervillewharf.co.uk/
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Old July 15th, 2017, 02:18 AM   #2
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Whitehorse Estates Ltd and Baskerville Wharf LLP, the owners of The Flapper, are developing proposals to redevelop the site at Cambrian Wharf off Kingston Row.


Plans will be shown on Wednesday the 19th July, 2pm-8pm at Austin Court.

http://www.baskervillewharf.co.uk/
Sounds interesting, wasted bit of the canal here, could be transformed if looked at constructively.... any idea what we might expect STSM?
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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #3
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There were plans ten or more years back for midrise towers and retail here. I wonder if this is just the Flapper site or some of the surrounding land too. Brilliant location for something inspiring! ��
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This isn't brilliant news for the local music scene as it's one of the only places left in the city centre that regularly hosts bands. I've been to loads of great gigs there over the years, it could certainly do with a spruce up, the beer garden is like being in a Chekhov play there's so much concrete desolation.
Not sure where the up and coming bands will play in future (probably on YouTube. )
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Old July 15th, 2017, 08:32 PM   #5
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I've just had a look at the Whitehorse Estates Ltd website and they've got brief details of a current site of 57 apartments in Birmingham called PRS and it's by a canal. I've got a feeling it's the proposal for this site. It's a bit disappointing to be honest. In fact, it looks sh1te.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 09:28 PM   #6
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http://whitehorseestatesltd.co.uk/pr...m-city-centre/

Yes, not very inspiring

And the Flapper would go for this? That would be a shame
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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:00 PM   #7
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This is the building to be demolished seen in 2010.







Seen from Cambrian Wharf in 2012

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Old July 15th, 2017, 11:07 PM   #8
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Wait, what? This cannot be! Many years of fun have been had at the Flapper, getting up close and personal seeing up and coming new bands, meeting mates, dates, the whole shabang. This really is bad news for the 'alternative' music pub scene..once more. Flapper has a vehemently loyal following which doesn't fit into the whole 'chain pub mentality of boring Broad Street. It's unique, should be cherished and should not be replaced with another faceless development. I even think the room which hosts bands (down the stairs on the left) is soundproofed too..or maybe I was too hammered to hear the music from the cozy benches outside.

But of course we've been here before. 5 years ago Targetfellow wanted to bulldoze it for a "Brindley Place styled scheme". I'm all for the redevelopment of this area but leave The Flapper alone you soulless bastards


"Hello all...
This is just a quick statement from the management regarding the possible redevelopment of The Flapper.
We understand word is spreading fast, but we don't actually know all the details yet. We will do in the next couple of weeks and we will release a full and official statement. Property developers own the venue, it has not been sold out by us.
Until then; it's business, beer, gigs and rock n roll as usual!!!
We understand you all have a lot of questions and worries; please don't take the lack of knowledge from management or staff as The Flapper is 100% being redeveloped.
We are all understandably upset by the news.
We love The Flapper very much and we know you all love her as well.
** Let us reinforce that it IS business as usual- NO cancelled gigs, NO immediate closure. The last thing the venue needs is word spreading that The Flapper is 100% closing! That will indeed devastate the venue **
TF xxx" - Flapper FB page
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Old July 19th, 2017, 12:35 PM   #9
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https://www.change.org/p/birmingham-...per-birmingham

Petition to save the Flapper.
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Old July 19th, 2017, 02:46 PM   #10
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I honestly had no idea it existed...
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Old July 19th, 2017, 04:02 PM   #11
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Photo of the pub this week - it looks abandoned.

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Old July 19th, 2017, 07:31 PM   #12
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Things change, if there is a demand for a live music venue someone will take the opportunity to grab the market, or the current venue management will find another venue. There are no end of run down pubs looking for customers. Am I missing something that makes this venue uniquely suited to live music. Or are people just being sentimental
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Old July 19th, 2017, 07:56 PM   #13
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The Drum closed down some months back, seems the demand isn't there.
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Things change, if there is a demand for a live music venue someone will take the opportunity to grab the market, or the current venue management will find another venue. There are no end of run down pubs looking for customers. Am I missing something that makes this venue uniquely suited to live music. Or are people just being sentimental
Probably a bit of both, it's got a decent soundproofed downstairs room for gigs and it's fairly active with live bands playing. I hardly ever go there these days admittedly but I'm now way outside the target demographic of a scruffy 20 something that wants to hear loud guitar music.

I think it's the lack of alternative venues for small bands to play in that seems a shame.
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Old July 19th, 2017, 08:30 PM   #15
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The Drum closed down some months back, seems the demand isn't there.
The Drum ran out of money due to a funding cut. It otherwise had a packed calendar.
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The Drum ran out of money due to a funding cut. It otherwise had a packed calendar.
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As well as the live music issue this pub is also one of the few places where you can sit in the sunshine by the canal. Birmingham is Britain's canal city. There should be hundreds of pubs by the canal.
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Old July 20th, 2017, 08:53 AM   #18
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Was hoping to get to the presentation at Austin Court yesterday but was too late.
I'm just not sure with this one. Its a prime spot and the Flapper gives the impression of a rundown building to me. I've always wanted to see it get a makeover, it should be packed with people in summer inside and out but rarely is?
I'm not averse to redevelopment here, but that canal frontage is begging for a commercial/leisure use not just faceless apartments.
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Was hoping to get to the presentation at Austin Court yesterday but was too late.
I'm just not sure with this one. Its a prime spot and the Flapper gives the impression of a rundown building to me. I've always wanted to see it get a makeover, it should be packed with people in summer inside and out but rarely is?
I'm not averse to redevelopment here, but that canal frontage is begging for a commercial/leisure use not just faceless apartments.
So, we are getting apartments then?
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Its a bit of a random plot, but it would work.
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