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Old December 3rd, 2015, 12:28 AM   #1
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Kerala - High Speed Rail (HSR) Project

The Kerala state government has formed a new public limited company - Kerala High Speed Rail Corporation Ltd - to implement a high speed rail network. The 630-km network will connect Thiruvananthapuram with Mangalore. The Kerala State Industrial Development Corporation (KSIDC) has been appointed the nodal agency to develop the project, and Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) has been assigned with a pre-feasibility study.

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Kerala seeks UAE funds for stalled $10bn high-speed rail

Projects need investment of at least $10 billion and funding has been a major hurdle

The government of the Indian state of Kerala is seeking multi-billion dollar funding for the proposed high-speed railway project in Kerala, a dream project of the incumbent Oommen Chandy government, that will reduce travel time from Thiruvananthapuram to Kasargodu to three hours or less.

The cost of the entire project, at 2011 price level, was estimated at Rs.1180 billion.

Three years ago, T. Balakrishnan, chairman and managing director of Kerala High Speed Rail Corporation Ltd, and the then managing director of Infrastructures Kerala Ltd, visited the UAE and urged non-resident Indian investors to participate in the multi-million dollar High Speed Railway Corridor project linking the northern and southern parts of Kerala to ease train travel from the state capital Thiruvananthapuram to Kasargod and Mangalore. He had visited the UAE to invite NRIs and high net worth Indian businessmen in the Gulf to participate in the project.


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“The high speed railway project could be one of the three projects that we will submit to the UAE for investment,” he said.

According to Kurian, the high speed railway will be built on an elevated track 20 meters high and would require the least amount of land. “The main problem in carrying out the fast railway project is the heavy noise from the bullet train that would require the use of silencer in residential areas,” the state government official revealed.

The proposed 650km high speed railway across many districts of Kerala and neighbouring Karnataka state is planned to be funded by private or foreign investors. While it takes more than 10 to reach Kasargod from Tiruvananthapuram at present, with high-speed rail, the distance will be covered in three and a half hours.


The project was scheduled to be implemented as a joint venture between the state government and a private partner to be selected at a later stage. T Balakrishnan, Additional Chief Secretary (Industry and Commerce), Alkesh Kumar Sharma, Managing Director of KSIDC, and T P Thomas Kutty, Executive Director of KSIDC, are the first directors of the new company. The company will undertake detailed feasibility report for the project and identify suitable rail technology to implement the high speed corridor. Steps have also been initiated for the release of a notification for the acquisition of land needed to implement the project. The width of the land required to be acquired for the rail corridor is 13 metres. The high speed corridor will use a greenfield route to keep rehabilitation task to the minimum, according to the company formed for this purpose.

The proposed high speed corridor starts from Thiruvananthapuram and ends at Mangalore in Karnataka with nine major stations initially and three more stations adding in the future. Trains will run at an average speed of about 250kmph with nine stations proposed in the first phase including Thiruvananthapuram, Kollam, Kottayam, Ernakulam,Thrissur, Kozhikode, Kannur, Kasaragod and Mangalore. Three more stations are planned in the next phase at Chengannur, Tirur and Thalassery. The proposal has sought consent of Karnataka government for connecting the high speed route to Mangalore covering about 50km. Earlier, a pre-feasibility report was prepared for the portion between Thiruvananthapuram and Ernakulam as Stage I.
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30 to 50 years timeline..for first train between TVM and Kochi.

Another 25 yrs to reach till Calicut.
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30 to 50 years timeline..for first train between TVM and Kochi.

Another 25 yrs to reach till Calicut.
You are being way too optimistic KMC !

Its a multi-decadez + story in any case.
But whatever rail infra projects we want to kick start in the State, E Sreedaran is the man to go to (not many fans down south kerala though!).

As a state its our best chance to even dream about these through DMRC! Given the business interestz for the Global Rail ecosystem in India, you never know !
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TVM-Kannur high-speed rail: 430 km in 145 minutes


Thiruvananthapuram: The first phase of study regarding the Thiruvananthapuram-Kannur high-speed rail corridor project has been completed. The study conducted by DMRC says the path has been designed in such a way that the 430-km distance could be covered in 145 minutes. Since a major portion of the tracks will be on pillars, the area of land required for the project is comparatively low.

Of the rail corridor projects connecting various cities announced by the Modi government, the Thiruvananthapuram-Kannur route is the first one for which the study is completed. A detailed report will be submitted by Kerala to the Centre soon. The high-speed path will adopt the standard gauge for normal tracks.

A train will have eight coaches with each having a width of 3.4m. There will be first class and business class and a maximum of 817 passengers could be accommodated. With a speed of 350km/hr, the train needs just 40 minutes to reach Kochi from Thiruvananthapuram and 145 minutes to reach Kannur.

The 190-km stretch of the path will be constructed over pillars while 110-km will pass through tunnels. Nearly 21 km will pass through levelled grounds, 61-km will be built through cut and bank method and 36 km through cut and cover method. A total of nine stations will be constructed at Thiruvananthapuram, Kollam, Chengannur, Kottayam, Ernakulam, Thrissur, Valanchery, Kozhikode and Kannur. Since the tunnels could resist even earthquakes, the constructions above them will not be affected. Even the vibrations will not be felt outside when the train passes through the tunnel.

If commenced in 2016, the works will be over by 2022. The first phase covers Thiruvananthapuram-Kochi stretch. For the project, a total of 600 acres should be acquired. While 3,800 buildings needs to be demolished, nearly 36,000 tress needs to be removed. Possibilities of locating trees will be checked. If found impossible, saplings will be planted.

The project with an estimate of Rs 65,000 crore needs foreign loan with low interest.

The study wants the government to acquire the land at market price as done during the construction of national highways.

http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/...-news-1.701899
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 03:37 PM   #9
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This high speed rail is project is only a pipe dream. Ten billion dollar price tag is too low and it will cost several times more. I don't think any private investor will put there money, ticket sales will not even cover the electric bills, not to mention interest on the loans etc, maintenance and security of tracks, bridges tunnels. Even if we built this, what about the last mile connectivity. Average people, it will take at least 1 to 2 hours to reach a station and another 1 to 2 hours on the other end. so what will be time savings?. They should come to there sense and build the Express Highway as early as possible at a fraction of the cost.

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This high speed rail is project is only a pipe dream. Ten billion dollar price tag is too low and it will cost several times more. I don't think any private investor will put there money, ticket sales will not even cover the electric bills, not to mention interest on the loans etc, maintenance and security of tracks, bridges tunnels. Even if we built this, what about the last mile connectivity. Average people, it will take at least 1 to 2 hours to reach a station and another 1 to 2 hours on the other end. so what will be time savings?. They should come to there sense and build the Express Highway as early as possible at a fraction of the cost.

http://www.motherjones.com/environme...time-and-money

We got to be more critical in evaluating this and not just dismiss it based on a headline number !!

On the high cost, look at the numbers in perspective:

The c.25KM+ metro almost there (Cochin) + additional c.20Km+ average proposed Metro Rails (TVC + CLT) will total nothing short of INR 10 to 12K Crs EoD.

In short the Metro systems in the state will cost INR 150 Cr. per Km (total say 50-60km), which will address the needs/appeal to c.5 to 6mn population. (or c.15 to 20% of the Statizens).

So what really is so alarming for a 500Km+ route costing c.80K+ Cr (base on numbers above) to address travel needs of c.35mn+.

We cant live in an era for sub-50 kmph travel pace to perpetutity. We need options.

Given the land acquisition constraints for highway land (time and money) for a densely populated state such as ours; this will be the Smartest choice for a faster commute (for AFAIK its an altogther different route considered) .

This HSR can be a real game changer for the Tourism sector as well in the State (an additional c.12mn+ visitors).
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Mumbai Ahmedabad proposed cost is 98K crore....
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We got to be more critical in evaluating this and not just dismiss it based on a headline number !!

On the high cost, look at the numbers in perspective:

The c.25KM+ metro almost there (Cochin) + additional c.20Km+ average proposed Metro Rails (TVC + CLT) will total nothing short of INR 10 to 12K Crs EoD.

In short the Metro systems in the state will cost INR 150 Cr. per Km (total say 50-60km), which will address the needs/appeal to c.5 to 6mn population. (or c.15 to 20% of the Statizens).

So what really is so alarming for a 500Km+ route costing c.80K+ Cr (base on numbers above) to address travel needs of c.35mn+.

We cant live in an era for sub-50 kmph travel pace to perpetutity. We need options.

Given the land acquisition constraints for highway land (time and money) for a densely populated state such as ours; this will be the Smartest choice for a faster commute (for AFAIK its an altogther different route considered) .

This HSR can be a real game changer for the Tourism sector as well in the State (an additional c.12mn+ visitors).
Yes, you are right we need options. Is it better getting option 1 first then 2? you are again right Kerala is thickly populated state. We need proper highways because our state is thickly populated otherwise we don't need option 1 or 2. Lets build the affordable Express highway (Option 1) to carry passengers and goods in cars buses and trucks first then HSR just for passengers (Option 2).

Kerala and Mumbai Ahmedabad Highspeed corridor is similar in distance, but there ends the similarity, Mumbai Ahmedabad lane mostly on ground (62%), 32% on viaduct and 6% on tunnel on the other hand Kerala 60% on Viaduct and 40% on tunnel. My low ball park estimate is 225 core /km for viaduct and 350 core/km for tunnel, total cost of about 137K core.
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If TVM-Ernakulam is the First Phase of this High Speed Corridor, the following Stations should constructed in First Phase itself - TVM, Kollam, Chengannur, Kottayam, and Ernakulam.

All these Railway Stations should constructed in the premises of present Railway Stations itself. This will reduce the cost of Land Acquisition.

In the 2nd Phase, Enakulam-Kannur section, Govt should consider a station near to Nedumbassery Airport. Stations: Nedumbassery, Thrissur, Valancheri/Tirur, Kozhikode, Talassery, Kannur

Kannur-Mangalore/Udupi can be constructed in Phase-3. Stations: Kasaragod, Mangalore, Udupi

TVM-Kanyakumari can be in Phase-4. Stations: Nagercoil, Kanyakumari

Udupi-Goa can be in Phase-5. Stations: Karwar, Margao, Panaji
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Yes, you are right we need options. Is it better getting option 1 first then 2? you are again right Kerala is thickly populated state. We need proper highways because our state is thickly populated otherwise we don't need option 1 or 2. Lets build the affordable Express highway (Option 1) to carry passengers and goods in cars buses and trucks first then HSR just for passengers (Option 2).

Kerala and Mumbai Ahmedabad Highspeed corridor is similar in distance, but there ends the similarity, Mumbai Ahmedabad lane mostly on ground (62%), 32% on viaduct and 6% on tunnel on the other hand Kerala 60% on Viaduct and 40% on tunnel. My low ball park estimate is 225 core /km for viaduct and 350 core/km for tunnel, total cost of about 137K core.
@SRB.. The Rail vs. Road is never ending debate, in my view. Lets have both alternates.. The Indian Railways would not possibilty have existed in which case.



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On comparison , is a good point you made on Mumbai/Ahmedabad route.
Based on the readings, the closest that can resemble the proposed Kerala HSR (construction) is the Taiwan HSR (completed a decade back) which has c.70% Viaduct and c.20% tunnel, which is what Kerala HSR will be (as per article above)
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My low ball park estimate is 225 core /km for viaduct and 350 core/km for tunnel, total cost of about 137K core.
Is there a structurally a cost difference (+50%) on Per KM basis for the Viaduct compared to that of the Metro ... The benchmark Metro is around INR 150Cr +-/km...
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Is there a structurally a cost difference (+50%) on Per KM basis for the Viaduct compared to that of the Metro ... The benchmark Metro is around INR 150Cr +-/km...
If high speed speed train run on metro vaiduct, it will crumble into pieces.

Loading for high speed rail viaduct is much more than Metro rail viaduct, deeper foundations, wider columns, thicker beams etc. similarly cost of rolling stocks energy uses all are high. My low ball park estimate is 137K core, but the actual cost could go over 175K core.

Proposed California High speed rail mostly on ground is 1300 km long and cost is estimated 68 billion us dollers.
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From the initial Feasibility Study on HSR - Kerala: Cost Sheet



At current USD/INR rates it will be around c.INR 80K Cr.
Note: The above is @ esimated in the year 2011.
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@SRB: You may have a point on cost escalations and these costs may actualy zoom near to your estimated fig.

Neverthelss, I will not draw any inferences from the US atleast (for HSR's) and apply them here. Our Asian counterpartz are prob. leagues ahead with the HSR ecosystem. Say China, Japan and even Thailand, Vietnam in the making (nations with 1/xth of our GDP) !!

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...-for-less.html

Based on the above article, apparently the China HSR 'infrastructure' story seems to run at average c.INR 120 per km while the US is almost 3x that of China!
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We need to think, for what HSR cater and for what Highways cater.

Technically speaking, highways are supposed to connectors between major cities. In reality in Kerala, they act like an arterial road connecting N number of villages, towns and cities.

The key fact is that, Kerala has highest density of roads compared to any part of India. Almost every nook is connected by some form of road.

So its not lack of roads that concerns us. Rather lack of Trunk highways connecting 2 or 3 major points only.

Currently existing roads, highways double or triple itself as city road, Suburb road, arterial road as well as highway… Almost all kinds of vehicles operate in this stretch, creating congestion.

The aim of Express highway or HSR is to cater the trunk traffic and separate them out of existing road networks, to create a breathing space.

Expressway is impractical in Kerala, primarily because the moment you draw a road, it will generate massive urbanization on both sides and soon end up as making a city road again. Its not pratical to have fenced road in a state like Kerala

Next option is to make elevated. There is a limitation to this factor, because once you make a 6 lane elevated road, it remains forever the same. We have no option to increase size based on increase in mobility rate.

These issues can be addressed by HSR. Yes, its costly. But some costly soon turn affordability as it raises the bar of living standards as such. The example of Cochin railway line itself is a testimony. There no need to be too skeptical for these. All required is a hardcore leadership who can vision and implement. Not thro’ flexes and announcements

I don’t see any value in this discussion now based on renewed interest. This renewal in interest are primarily an electoral stunt like how we saw in 2011 elections too. Nothing beyond. The moment elections over, this will be thrown back the same folder where it was sleeping last 5 years.

This discussion happened only because OC suddenly realized the electoral aspects of having his pic near to a Bullet train for a flex.
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On the Financing bit, USD 8.0bn @ 0.5% interest rates !




Japan poised to win India's bullet train deal, offers loan at just 0.5% for 50 years


Japan is expected to win the right to construct India's first bullet train, after losing an Indonesian high-speed rail deal to China, the Nikkei business daily reported on Tuesday.

Japan will offer more than 1 trillion yen ($8.11 billion) in loans to construct India's Rs 98,000 crore fast train, according to the report.

http://www.firstpost.com/business/ja...s-2536986.html

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/12/chi...-to-build.html
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We need rename this thread as

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