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Old May 24th, 2018, 11:35 PM   #61
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It's admirable that you're trying to champion the street car but the distance it covers is tiny compared to what a functional urban transit system could do. Future expansion may change the scope of the project but right now, it's a novelty that will be about as functional as the People Mover in Detroit.
I actually think this partially right. The line going in now is not sufficient. It needs its expansions north, northwest, west, and south to be the functional urban transit system. And even then it probably needs further expansion.

For example, expansions south into Walker's Point could further expand to Bayview and west along National or Mitchell into Walker's Square and historic Mitchell neighborhoods.

Add to that a functioning bus system and then you start to have the robust urban transit system the city needs.

That said, you have to start somewhere.
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It's not ridiculous, hyperbole or outrageous to say you can cover that distance in 5-10 minutes. That is what an average urban biker could accomplish with a decent road bike. I bike 4 miles to work every day and cover that distance in about 22 minutes, with scores of stop lights, inclines, and stop signs along the way.

It's admirable that you're trying to champion the street car but the distance it covers is tiny compared to what a functional urban transit system could do. Future expansion may change the scope of the project but right now, it's a novelty that will be about as functional as the People Mover in Detroit.
And if we used this attitude we'd never get any kind of rail system because then it would be "too expensive".
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Old May 25th, 2018, 05:20 PM   #63
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It's admirable that you're trying to champion the street car but the distance it covers is tiny compared to what a functional urban transit system could do. Future expansion may change the scope of the project but right now, it's a novelty that will be about as functional as the People Mover in Detroit.
So transit systems should only be built when there's numerous billions of dollars to build the entire system in one go? Hate to break it to you, but that's just not how it works. Even if we had an efficient RTA, it would take decades to fund and fully build a regional, multi-model transit system. And that would be WITH suburban cooperation.
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Old June 26th, 2018, 03:25 PM   #64
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Have buss stops along the Hop route either been reduced or eliminated to help remove redundancy and large vehicle stops along the route? Cannot remember seeing bus stops in addition to Hop stops when walking around this past Sunday.
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Have buss stops along the Hop route either been reduced or eliminated to help remove redundancy and large vehicle stops along the route? Cannot remember seeing bus stops in addition to Hop stops when walking around this past Sunday.
Seems like they did a pretty good job with the initial route to not double up on stretches already being served by the bus. The only overlapping portions are where the Hop runs on Milwaukee St. (parallels the 15 line for about 6 blocks) and along the 30/30x route on Jackson (4 blocks) and Ogden (6 blocks). Both of those bus lines are heavily traveled, and many people taking them are taking trips that are much longer than a jaunt across downtown, so I think it seems appropriate to keep them as is.
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This thing screams to be extended north of its present terminus. So much urban density on the north side
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Old June 27th, 2018, 02:01 AM   #67
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JSonline did a cool video on saftey while driving on streetcar tracks.
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JSonline did a cool video on saftey while driving on streetcar tracks.
Yeah but JSOnline did not do that video. Thatís from the PR firm the city hired for The HOP. Slightly annoying that JS is apparently taking credit for it.
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Old June 27th, 2018, 05:04 PM   #69
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Yeah but JSOnline did not do that video. Thatís from the PR firm the city hired for The HOP. Slightly annoying that JS is apparently taking credit for it.
I wasn't aware, and yeah, that is kinda scummy. Again, though, the video got 55 views.
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Old June 27th, 2018, 07:03 PM   #70
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Yeah but JSOnline did not do that video. Thatís from the PR firm the city hired for The HOP. Slightly annoying that JS is apparently taking credit for it.
That PR firm has been absolutely killing it by the way.
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Old June 29th, 2018, 07:46 AM   #71
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This has been in the works for a bit, but here are some photos of the booths they started to put up. Seems quite minuscule and unprotected (looks like there will only be a roof?), especially considering our weather. Hopefully, there will be some other protection? Regardless, they looks nice.


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Old June 29th, 2018, 07:56 AM   #72
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This has been in the works for a bit, but here are some photos of the booths they started to put up. Seems quite minuscule and unprotected (looks like there will only be a roof?), especially considering our weather. Hopefully, there will be some other protection? Regardless, they looks nice.


Nah, I can definitely see where they would be installing those "billboards" on the sides and on the back
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Old June 29th, 2018, 02:47 PM   #73
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Yeah, John December posted some other pics and there are definitely side and back glass panels. Definitely could use to be twice as wide though...
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Yeah, John December posted some other pics and there are definitely side and back glass panels. Definitely could use to be twice as wide though...
Is there no electronic signage for train arrival times??
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Looks like a bus stop to me. Was hoping they would have been more creative and provide more shelter to lure additional people who may be using these stops. Hopefully we can get three people at a time to huddle under these shelters if raining. Any more than three would be an invasion of personal space.
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Honestly, I am disappointed with the shelters. It can't cost that much more to make them longer. And signs for train arrivals in a modern transit system is essential.
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And signs for train arrivals in a modern transit system is essential.
<<THIS>> Hopefully the infrastructure was built in if they want to add that in the future.
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And signs for train arrivals in a modern transit system is essential.
Is there some previous renderings/news about this? Because as far as I'm concerned they haven't implemented ANY electronics, so it would be too early to tell.
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This is what happens when you have a state government that actively tries to kill a transit project. I have said it before but I’ll say it again: Milwaukee has had to build the streetcar all by itself with zero help from the state or region and with limited federal funds. Other cities get help from RTAs and state grants but Walker and Vos and the rest of the state administration have actively tried to stop the streetcar project. They made it cost more by changing the route to avoid utilities on Van Buren, even though WeEnergies should have paid for that.
The reason the streetcars have a pretty boring livery and the reason these shelters are so bare-minimum is because there just wasn’t enough funding to make them any better. This is entirely the state’s fault.
Vote for change at the state level in November if you’re sick of the war on transit and sick of the war against Milwaukee.
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This is what happens when you have a state government that actively tries to kill a transit project. I have said it before but Iíll say it again: Milwaukee has had to build the streetcar all by itself with zero help from the state or region and with limited federal funds. Other cities get help from RTAs and state grants but Walker and Vos and the rest of the state administration have actively tried to stop the streetcar project. They made it cost more by changing the route to avoid utilities on Van Buren, even though WeEnergies should have paid for that.
The reason the streetcars have a pretty boring livery and the reason these shelters are so bare-minimum is because there just wasnít enough funding to make them any better. This is entirely the stateís fault.
Vote for change at the state level in November if youíre sick of the war on transit and sick of the war against Milwaukee.
Couldnít agree more. I have been telling this to friends and family for years now. Of course the route should be more extensive. Of course there should be interactive electronics. Of course there should be nicer stations. But good God donít blame the city for that not happening. It is an absolute miracle anything at all is getting built.
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