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Old May 19th, 2009, 12:13 PM   #201
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When I caught a Metrobus the other day, I noted that the on-screen display seemed a little slow in updating stop information, usually showing the previous stop even when the bus is almost at the next stop. Is this a GPS issue or is it time-controlled on the bus itself?
As I understand, the bus driver controls stop information through the control panel at the front of the bus.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 01:12 PM   #202
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As I understand, the bus driver controls stop information through the control panel at the front of the bus.
I am sure it would be similar to Melbourne's 'Smart Bus', which is all done by GPS. Having it done manually would be too much of a risk for the driver to worry about anyway.

I will be darned if that is the case though..
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Old May 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM   #203
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I don't know what the demographics of this forum are but I presume a large number of you would be planning students or perhaps young planners (wishfully thinking - at least the wankers stand out). In my day when you had a text at uni you'd read it and digest it carefully before you went on and commented on it. This wad of documents and all its detail would take a few days at least to digest and fully understand. I've never seen such a pile of comments that totally miss the point as on this thread. What's that saying about putting your brain into gear before you open your mouth? Read the bloody thing properly Foxtel and you might find your mysteries are answered. WTF do they teach at uni nowadays?
I know it centres on Parramatta, but I'm just wondering why the metro line goes to the CBD instead of Parramatta from the Hills? (and don't tell me to read the bloody document again, please - I'm re-reading it again)

I'm sorry that I'm apparently asking a question which may seem obvious, but every clarification does help, you know.

It just makes more sense to me, that's all... and by the way, I'm an engineering student.
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i think the problem with this link is that it was proposed before railcorp started 'untangleing' the network. this line if built would/could introduce delays to the western line when there are problems on the illawarra line, which would atm be the worst performer on the network. the only way this line could work with min problems to the rest of the network is if they used this link as a continueation of the northern line and instead of having the trains turnout onto the western/main line to the city they could tunnel just south of north strathfield station and have the line go under strathfield station and terminateing at hurstville.
just my idea. then it would make ppls journeys from the south easier and would ease congestion at strathfield, redfern & central terminal
That was exactly the idea - a continuation of the northern line, with no link to either the western or illawarra lines.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 10:38 AM   #205
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i think the problem with this link is that it was proposed before railcorp started 'untangleing' the network. this line if built would/could introduce delays to the western line when there are problems on the illawarra line, which would atm be the worst performer on the network. the only way this line could work with min problems to the rest of the network is if they used this link as a continueation of the northern line and instead of having the trains turnout onto the western/main line to the city they could tunnel just south of north strathfield station and have the line go under strathfield station and terminateing at hurstville.
just my idea. then it would make ppls journeys from the south easier and would ease congestion at strathfield, redfern & central terminal
It doesnt have to connected directly to existing lines - just have them run between Strathfield and Hurstville. The line would be entirely underground. You could make it a metroline itself.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 03:20 PM   #206
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it would be better to run it right through because:
*this would increase capacity on the western line west of strathfield
*people going from stations along the bankstown/east hills/illawarra lines to places like epping/hornsby/macquarie would save themselves 1 change of train
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Old May 21st, 2009, 07:51 AM   #207
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I don't know enoguh about Sydney to really comment on the various proposals but I was very impressed with the quality/depth the report went into on the proposals.

I think the report is the sort of thing that Paul Mees/PUTA on this board should be doing for Melbourne to offer a genuine costed alternative transport plan to the governments Victorian Transport Plan.

It is easy for them to take pot shots at 'high cost/pointless' projects but without a credible alternative plan what choice are we expected to take?
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:26 AM   #208
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so what exactly is going to happen? Anything useful. Theres lots of cancelled but no happening
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Old May 21st, 2009, 09:12 AM   #209
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Nothing will happen in Sydney until 2011, except for a bit of desperate casting about and empty promises. Unless the government implodes before then which is possible.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 12:26 PM   #210
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Next year is the rollout of new rolling stock. Something is happening.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 01:18 PM   #211
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No, it will be after 2011 sadly.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 05:54 PM   #212
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Unless the government implodes before then which is possible.
That would be nice to see. But knowing them, they'll even stuff that up.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 05:53 PM   #213
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Next year is the rollout of new rolling stock. Something is happening.
Only if they are on schedule and from what I have read they are not. Delays with approving parts manufactured from the plant in China.

But hey, I don't know who to believe anymore.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 07:14 PM   #214
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Light rail extension could run within a year
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May 25, 2009

IN THE first sign that the Rees Government is looking for immediate solutions to inner Sydney's congestion crisis, the Transport Minister, David Campbell, today will take a proposal to extend the light rail line to a key cabinet committee.

The low-cost proposal would extend the line from Lilyfield through Leichhardt, Haberfield and Summer Hill to Dulwich Hill railway station.

It would link the light rail to the inner-west and Bankstown lines, could be running within a year and cost less than $70 million. By contrast, the planned seven-kilometre underground metro train link between Central and Rozelle has been costed at $5.3 billion.

The Herald understands Mr Campbell will take his proposal to the "transport cabinet" - ministers whose portfolios touch on transit issues, including the Planning Minister, Kristina Keneally, the Roads Minister, Michael Daley, the Treasurer, Eric Roozendaal, and the Finance Minister, Joe Tripodi - this morning.

Last year Mr Campbell took time out of a private holiday in France to investigate light rail systems in Paris and Nice.

According to Gavin Gatenby, the director of EcoTransit - a transport lobby group - who met the minister last December: "He came away raving about it. His attitude marked a distinct break with the negative vibes we'd got from his predecessors.

"He was personally familiar with one of the most advanced French light rail systems, and he dismissed out of hand most of his predecessors' objections to the Dulwich Hill extension."

The resignation on Friday of the director-general of the Ministry of Transport, Jim Glasson, is believed to have removed an obstacle to the light rail extension.

It could also increase the Government's chances of retaining the seat of Balmain, held by the Education Minister, Verity Firth, who will face a serious challenge from the Greens at the election in 2011.

Two weeks ago, the Premier, Nathan Rees, spent more than an hour with the Lord Mayor, of Sydney, Clover Moore, as she and the city's transport consultant, Peter Twiney, laid out plans for a light rail loop.

Her spokesman, Jeff Lewis, said: "The Premier seemed impressed by what he had heard but I couldn't draw any more conclusions than that."

Councillor Moore wants to build a light rail loop through the central business district, and extend the existing light rail along Sussex Street to the planned Barangaroo development.

She has also suggested a light rail link to the big sporting precinct at Moore Park and the planned town centre at Green Square.

A city loop would cost an estimated $180 million - a fraction of the cost of the underground metro train - but would require the removal of car lanes.

Kevin Warrell, the chief executive of Metro Transport Sydney, which operates the existing light rail line from Central to Lilyfield, via Chinatown, Pyrmont, Glebe and Annandale - said the extension, first to Summer Hill station, could be completed within months and cost just $17 million. The extension to Dulwich Hill would cost another $50 million.

"The construction could all be completed within a year," he said, "and depending on how quickly we can get rolling stock, it could all be running a few months later."

He said Metro Transport Sydney wanted to integrate the light rail fares with bus and train fares to maximise the ease with which commuters could transfer between modes.

A spokesman for Mr Campbell declined to confirm or deny the proposal. He said: " The only thing I can say to you is that we will not speculate on matters that relate to cabinet."

Mr Warrell said he understood the minister was planning a push for expanded light rail. "I heard that Mr Campbell would be taking something like this to cabinet, yes." he said.
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Wow what fantastic news
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Old May 25th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #216
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Thats promising. Disappointing that the route as published in the print edition is not online. It will follow the goods line that runs from Lilyfield through Summer Hill down to Dulwich Hill. It wont get to Summer Hill Station.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 08:56 AM   #217
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Would be great if it was implemented in conjunction with a new operation contract that was structured so that the government paid Veolia to operate the services but took over ticketing, with on time performance, patronage and reliability incentive payments to align the interests of the operator with the interests of the public.

This would be similar to both the private bus operator contracts and those being planned for the Metro.

This is also how I see a privatisation of Sydney Ferries would work.

While we are speaking of public/private contracts that align the interests of the public and the operators, the government should consider 'renting' the airport line stations back off the operator in order to remove the surcharge.
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70 million sounds very cheap, up and running in just over a year sounds optimistic.
Good luck....
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70 million sounds very cheap, up and running in just over a year sounds optimistic.
Good luck....
it would run on a dis-used goods line so i think 70 million doesnt seem very cheap.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 09:19 AM   #220
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Correct. The track and over head cables are already in place, from the now unused freight lines. Also luckily it is all the correct voltage too, so I think it is just some minor infrastructture works (maintainence) and then access, in terms of station and walk ways etc.
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