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Old October 9th, 2019, 11:19 PM   #13381
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Just a few weeks ago James Pearce said he expected plans for the Anfield Road stand to be announced before the end of the year! As when he was at the Echo does he just make these things up?
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Old October 10th, 2019, 03:35 AM   #13382
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Haha! I like it. Shows the vision!

Convinced whatever the plan is has something to do with that space behind.

Seems to be concerns about the traffic and increased numbers of people which is understandable. What I hope, is they’re working on a grand plan with the council that will open the area right up and deal with some of those infrastructure issues. That might be why it’s taking so long.



Someone on the This is Anfield story from yesterday in the comments is talking about a 'high speed monorail' being under discussion.

Has anyone heard that mentioned?

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Old October 10th, 2019, 03:36 AM   #13383
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The next generation of fans have got next to no chance of ever getting tickets.
Simples. All season tickets have a 5-year expiry, then you rejoin the queue. None of this pass a ticket down the family bull.
Risk is you kill off the local die hards if you do that.

Edit: (Not literally).

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Old October 10th, 2019, 08:19 AM   #13384
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Haha! I like it. Shows the vision!

Convinced whatever the plan is has something to do with that space behind.

Seems to be concerns about the traffic and increased numbers of people which is understandable. What I hope, is they’re working on a grand plan with the council that will open the area right up and deal with some of those infrastructure issues. That might be why it’s taking so long.



Someone on the This is Anfield story from yesterday in the comments is talking about a 'high speed monorail' being under discussion.

Has anyone heard that mentioned?
First one to mention the Simpsons wins a pound!

Seriously though, monorails are problematic for 2 reasons - 1) they're expensive, 2) they are pretty ugly at the street level

The other issue is the route - where do you put the alignment without leading to huge amounts of CPOs? And what places are you looking to link up and can it be realistically achieved with only one line?

The route of the North Liverpool Extension Line is still intact and certainly feeds many of the east Liverpool areas like West Derby that lost their rail access. But it's still quite a long way from Anfield and doesn't go into the city centre - think it would reach Edge Lane and Gateacre.
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Old October 10th, 2019, 10:24 AM   #13385
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I always wondered if they could do something with utting Avenue. A single branch line from the tracks to the car park and build a station.
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Old October 10th, 2019, 03:41 PM   #13386
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How’s this going down with you lot…?

“Liverpool has launched a new identification scheme for ticket-holders designed to give the Premier League club a better awareness of who exactly enters Anfield”

https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2...el-home-games/


i.e. "We all know that the name on your season ticket is that of a fella who were he still alive would be 134 years of age, but it’s been handed down to you, and you've been using it for years – or you’ve borrowed a mate’s ticket because that’s what fans do. But we’d really like to use photo ID and CCTV images to take your ticket off you and re-sell it to somebody more desirable…."

I’m sure the Glazers are watching on in interest…
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Old October 11th, 2019, 02:20 PM   #13387
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How’s this going down with you lot…?

“Liverpool has launched a new identification scheme for ticket-holders designed to give the Premier League club a better awareness of who exactly enters Anfield”

https://www.thestadiumbusiness.com/2...el-home-games/


i.e. "We all know that the name on your season ticket is that of a fella who were he still alive would be 134 years of age, but it’s been handed down to you, and you've been using it for years – or you’ve borrowed a mate’s ticket because that’s what fans do. But we’d really like to use photo ID and CCTV images to take your ticket off you and re-sell it to somebody more desirable…."

I’m sure the Glazers are watching on in interest…
No problem with it. They have though baulked at the idea of putting a picture on the fan/membership/season ticket cards (at the fans request in forums (which personally I think is a mistake)). There is an amnesty at this juncture while the person currently using the 'ticket' gives details etc.And they also said it was possible for you loan tickets to friends but you must tell the club in advance. So again no issue. If people do not want to go who have a ticket.... then tough if this is a problem for you... the only people with a real problem with this are touts.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 03:50 PM   #13388
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To build on that this is a universal thing. Here in the States there are various efforts to ensure tickets are first being made available to fans who will use them and not simply to commercial scalpers. There are legacy programs that allow for season tickets to be passed on and ways for those who can't attend to do resales or temporarily pass on their badge, so it's not as if these measures are outright prohibitive to fans. So I've found, anyway.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 04:43 PM   #13389
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I agree with it being made stricter. So many fans sitting on tickets that only go to 1-2 games a season and then making a mint on the rest. There are fans that would love to go every game and can’t
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Old October 11th, 2019, 09:49 PM   #13390
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So is this ticket thing purely for the obvious, but is this all part of gauging real demand i.e. is this process linked to development of the ground.

Not entirely related, but another update rolled out across the stadium at the last home game was cashless payments throughout, which has to be a good thing to speed up service at half time etc.
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Old October 11th, 2019, 09:54 PM   #13391
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Someone on the This is Anfield story from yesterday in the comments is talking about a 'high speed monorail' being under discussion.

Has anyone heard that mentioned?
We had a similar proposal during the Stratford flirtation:


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Old October 12th, 2019, 03:39 AM   #13392
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That massive chicken head is amazing.
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Old October 14th, 2019, 03:46 AM   #13393
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From James Pearce's latest Q&A on the Athletic:

Q: Hi James. How big do you expect anfield to be once the Anfield road end is redeveloped?

A: Hi Rhys. It depends on what design they eventually go for. I've heard that one would bring capacity up to around 60,000, another would take it to 61,500. The planning process and public consultation period will be lengthy as there are bound to be concerns over traffic/congestion/public transport, which will need to be dealt with.
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Old October 14th, 2019, 09:55 AM   #13394
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From James Pearce's latest Q&A on the Athletic:

Q: Hi James. How big do you expect anfield to be once the Anfield road end is redeveloped?

A: Hi Rhys. It depends on what design they eventually go for. I've heard that one would bring capacity up to around 60,000, another would take it to 61,500. The planning process and public consultation period will be lengthy as there are bound to be concerns over traffic/congestion/public transport, which will need to be dealt with.
More evidence that James Pearce has no idea what he is talking about, and making it up as he goes along but because of his position as a' respected journalist' people take what he says as read.
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Old October 15th, 2019, 11:29 AM   #13395
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Re transport

Re transport, this is something I can't figure out.
Britain has 32 000 buses for 60 odd million people.
Thats the equivalent of 800 buses for Merseyside. Some will be single deck, others double. A double decker can hold around 100 to 130 (sitting and standing) and a single decker, I'm guessing but around 65/70 or so. A single coach will have around 55 seats plus say 15 standing. Now with peak times being around office hours (8 til 5.30) and school (8.30 til 4.3) I'd imagine a 75k football match is pretty small in comparison to the other daily spikes. I note too that LCC is introducing some electric buses, so that can placate some residents moans.

So why is it Lpool City Council don't organise more buses, coaches and park and rides? Do they want major global events in Lpool, or would they prefer LFC move outside the borders of the city-proper?

All the area really needs is an arrangement of pickup and setdown areas for batches of coaches. Ofcourse there is something currently, but maybe its traffic conductors thats lacking? Maybe its just a lack of services? Maybe a one way system might help the traffic at ultra peak times? Maybe it needs more formal pickup points? Some stadia are built on islands, or in difficult areas. Anfield is close to the city centre and has a mass of roads both small and large. So I think there must be a solution there.

|PLenty of cities have mass bus transit systems. Ofcourse the rail stations need to be redone. But shouldn't LCC be looking at buses right now. Instead of Fat Joe filling the area with more of his croneys Brookside Close developments?
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Old October 15th, 2019, 05:15 PM   #13396
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All the area really needs is an arrangement of pickup and setdown areas for batches of coaches.
One of the main issues is the capacity of the roads in the immediate vicinity of the stadium imo. Walton Breck Road is fairly wide but is still just one lane in each direction as are the smaller roads nearby. One lane roads are likely to get clogged by coaches very quickly on matchdays.





One possible solution may be a large roundabout on Scotland Road/Kirkdale Road/Everton Valley all of which are at least two lanes each. There matchday buses and coaches could go around the roundabout then stop at specially constructed bus drop off points before heading back towards town.

That would leave just a short walk of a few hundred yards for the fans to the stadium.

Right now the stadium holds 54,000 fans. If the remaining three sides are redeveloped we are probably looking at roughly an additional 21,000 fans or so inside the stadium. With sensible transport solutions (bus and taxi drop off points/a new railway station/multi story car parks) this additional capacity shouldn't prove to be an insuperable problem.
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Old October 16th, 2019, 08:57 AM   #13397
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If they hadn't built houses on that big patch of land to the bottom left of the Kop, heading to Robson Street, there would have essentially been two massive areas to help fans drain away, one there, and one behind the new ARE towards Utting Ave and potentially to a new station where the Vernon Sangster was. With a bit of planning, potentially the area Chris DR mentions below as well.

Most of that wouldn't have gone past houses if well designed, solving the residents concerns, could have created something like the old Wembley way (but less ugly and concrete or converted it to parkland.

Still possible of course, just problematic.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 03:03 PM   #13398
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Meanwhile, 30 miles west along the M62, McAlpine and O’Rourke are also understood to be looking at the next stage of the redevelopment of Liverpool’s Anfield stadium.

Recent schemes have been carried out by bust firm Carillion and its £75m job to expand the main stand opened in 2016 bringing capacity to just over 54,000.

Liverpool is now looking at increasing capacity of the Anfield Road end – the stand opposite the Kop.

Outline planning for an existing expansion scheme, which involved adding 4,000 seats at the Anfield Road end, expired last month with the club instead set to submit a new application to increase capacity in excess of 60,000.
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