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Old January 8th, 2017, 01:43 PM   #161
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Yes, this is the completed project:


What I do not understand is why bother to expand the stadium with this attendances (in red rectangles over 45000, undelined over 40000)


It is true two seasons ago was in 2nd Division, but not even Real Madrid, Barcelona or Sevilla's derby las season filled the stadium.

With this phase expansion, this year % attendance will be (34000/57000)=60%

Even if the capacity during the work is reduced (I do not know the number) the attendance figures show that they are incapable of filling the stadium with only three stands (asuming 42k as the total capacity during the works, thre would had been only one sell out during this season).

A wasted structure (which must be anyway maintained) in my opinion
Since the redevelopment and opening in September 2016 of Liverpool FC's Anfield Main Stand, capacity has now risen to just over 54,000 and attendances are currently at a 98.3% fill ratio. This is despite certain seats being 'restricted views' due to the future redevelopment of the Anfield Road end of the ground, which FSG the clubs owners have not decided upon because they are undecided wether this further increase in capacity is financially viable. b
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Old January 8th, 2017, 03:46 PM   #162
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Since the redevelopment and opening in September 2016 of Liverpool FC's Anfield Main Stand, capacity has now risen to just over 54,000 and attendances are currently at a 98.3% fill ratio. This is despite certain seats being 'restricted views' due to the future redevelopment of the Anfield Road end of the ground, which FSG the clubs owners have not decided upon because they are undecided wether this further increase in capacity is financially viable. b
This thread isn't about Liverpool.
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Old January 8th, 2017, 04:15 PM   #163
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with better results and players i think that Betis could have better audience .
The current average is respectable , all clubs in Spain that have large stadiums can say that their stadiums are full couple of times a year .
Well, FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid and Athletic Club all have waiting lists to buy a season ticket, so they are technically sold out every game (when matchday (mínimum 10% of capacity) and away section tickets are not taken into account).

For example, Camp Nou has 99000 seats, FC Barcelona sell out all 82000 seasontickets and sell an additional 35000 matchday tickets on average (25000 of which are season ticket holders reselling through the club), so the artificial average is well above the stadium capacity.

The season ticket limit for Real Betis before the latest expansion i belive is 44 thousand and they have sold 41 so they are close to their limit and would soon have to put up a waiting list, with the new expansion they will be able to sell an additional 10000 season tickets.

Valencia also used to have a pretty long waiting list to buy a season ticket, close to 10000 at some point, that is why they decided to build that 70000 stadium that is going no where.
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This thread isn't about Liverpool.
The statement was about filling an extended football stadium and comparing Real Betis experience with that of another club.

If you have nothing positive to say say nothing.
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Old January 8th, 2017, 10:06 PM   #165
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Old January 8th, 2017, 10:36 PM   #166
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Old January 9th, 2017, 12:42 AM   #167
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where have you found that statistics?, I'm really interested in the fount
Sorry, I forgot: http://www.worldfootball.net/venues/...evilla/2017/2/
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Old January 9th, 2017, 02:55 AM   #168
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The statement was about filling an extended football stadium and comparing Real Betis experience with that of another club.

If you have nothing positive to say say nothing.
Where was Betis' experience compared with that of another Spanish club (which might, at least, be in some way relevant), let alone Liverpool?

Unless I'm missing something, your post appears to be entirely gratuitous.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 02:47 PM   #169
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There are three factors that make this stadium too big:


1º. The Betis was the most popular team in Seville, and the most friendly in Spain. Only his neighbor, Sevilla FC, had a magnificent sports management that has earned him scores of trophies in the last 10 years. While the Betis had an economic and sports management disastrous. If Betis had had the luck of Sevilla FC, could fill a stadium of 75,000 people.

2º. 20 years ago, the Betis had a populist president, Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, grown before a good sports results and some Cup of Spain. He was the one who initiated this megalomaniac project.

3º. Even so, if Real Betis regained a sporting level that placed him among the top 7 teams in Spain and won a championship, this finished stadium can be filled without problem.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 07:54 PM   #170
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What Real Betis needs to do in order to fill the stadium is lower ticket prices. With the bigger capacity they can afford to. Keep in mind that Real Betis is the team of the working classes, and these are economically disadvantaged when compared to the Sevilla FC supporters. Being Andalusia's most popular club, potentially Real Betis has a fan base large enough to fill a 50 thousand-seat venue.

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What Real Betis needs to do in order to fill the stadium is lower ticket prices. With the bigger capacity they can afford to. Keep in mind that Real Betis is the team of the working classes, and these are economically disadvantaged when compared to the Sevilla FC supporters. Being Andalusia's most popular club, potentially Real Betis has a fan base large enough to fill a 50 thousand-seat venue.
Topics of the past. In Seville being of the Betis or Sevilla FC is a matter of tradition, family, philosophy ... like the Holy Week: Esperanza de Triana o la Macarena..

like the Holy Week. According to your theory, 40% of the capacity of Sánchez Pizjuán would be VIP boxes
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Old January 9th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #172
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What Real Betis needs to do in order to fill the stadium is lower ticket prices. With the bigger capacity they can afford to. Keep in mind that Real Betis is the team of the working classes, and these are economically disadvantaged when compared to the Sevilla FC supporters. Being Andalusia's most popular club, potentially Real Betis has a fan base large enough to fill a 50 thousand-seat venue.
In principle you're right. Most Spanish clubs have high, too high ticket prices. They don't fill the stadiums, while the demand is there. But there are three different ways of looking at ticket pricing.

You can limit your prices, even though you could sell much more tickets for the same price, like many German clubs do.

You can maximise prices while still keeping the stadium full, like most English clubs seem to do.

You can simply maximise the profits generated from ticket sales, which is not necessarily at full capacity. For instance, Betis might be able to sell 57,000 tickets per match with an average price of €20. But if they sell 40,000 tickets per match with an average price of €30, they make more money.

I suspect the last is what many Spanish clubs, including Betis, are doing.
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Old January 10th, 2017, 06:04 PM   #173
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Yes, this is the completed project:
So now they are building the third part of the proposed final design. With the current attendances is there already a planning to complete the stadium as envisioned in this picture?
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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #174
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Given how many time have passed since the project was unveiled, there will be some updates. I bet the roof and an expansion of vip seats/boxes it's one of them.
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Old January 16th, 2017, 02:24 AM   #175
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Old January 16th, 2017, 10:42 PM   #176
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If completed, with a new main stand, how many would this stadium hold? 67,000 or higher to the 70,000 mark?

Spanish teams have and are about to raise their game in the stadia stakes recently.
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Old January 16th, 2017, 11:19 PM   #177
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The complete project expansion is 64.000.

In my opinion, the bulk of football (sports in general) business is in television (i know, not a radical prospective ). But as a consecuence, i foresee that over 70k stadiums will be seen in the future gigantic, just as now we see 120-150.000 stadiums.

Even a city like Beijing (10, 15 million??) does not know what to do with a 80k stadium after the olympics.

The future target of clubs is getting fans on screens (in the city/region or abroad), not in the seats.


Current capacity is already too big for Betis, even this medium-pahse expansion is , again, in my opinion, out of touch with reality.

Again structures, used or not, cost manteinance money.
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beautiful, i love this stadium
it goes very fast, It will be impressive the closed stadium
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Old January 17th, 2017, 02:21 AM   #179
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