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Old February 19th, 2016, 06:45 PM   #521
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Sunderland would HATE this, they'd lose their desperate claim to be the largest city between Leeds and Edinburgh.

That is well out of date, I haven't heard anyone try to claim that for a long time.
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That is well out of date, I haven't heard anyone try to claim that for a long time.
Worryingly if you google it it seems to crop up a lot. Even Port of Sunderland says so, so it must be right

http://www.portofsunderland.org.uk/city_investment.php

I assume that this is one of those 'set the right criteria and you get the right answer' questions. Sunderland probably is the largest city between Leeds and Edinburgh if you classify Gateshead as not Newcastle, not a city etc etc.

A friend of mine was involved in marketing a ski area and he described a run as being the widest steepest longest in the East [USA]. It was when you left the comas out [no run as wide which was as steep, no run as steep which was as long etc].

Just tried an exercise where if you subtract Salford from Manc' and Birkenhead from Liverpool [if that makes sense] you can prove that Leeds is the largest city on the M62 [which I am sure it's not in the real world].
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Old February 19th, 2016, 07:47 PM   #523
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Since the 2011 census that odd bit of braggadocio has been redundant. Increased birth rate and immigration led to a spike in Newcastle's population, whilst Sunderland was the only city in the UK to record a population fall.

It does baffle me how to some it's beyond comprehension that parts of Newcastle (Longbenton, Forest Hall, Benton etc) fall under the jurisdiction on NTC and towns that aren't part of Sunderland (Houghton, Hetton, Washington etc) fall under the jurisdiction of SCC. This false exercise in boundary drawing was simply to give the councils a viable population in 1974. So I guess we can now boast of being the biggest city between Leeds and Edinburgh (though I'm pretty sure no-one will bother to do so).

And as a long-term resident/subject of North Tyneside Council, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see them absorbed into Newcastle. They really are utterly useless.


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Old February 19th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #524
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Since the 2011 census that odd bit of braggadocio has been redundant. Increased birth rate and immigration led to a spike in Newcastle's population, whilst Sunderland was the only city in the UK to record a population fall.

It does baffle me how to some it's beyond comprehension that parts of Newcastle (Longbenton, Forest Hall, Benton etc) fall under the jurisdiction on NTC and towns that aren't part of Sunderland (Houghton, Hetton, Washington etc) fall under the jurisdiction of SCC. This false exercise in boundary drawing was simply to give the councils a viable population in 1974. So I guess we can now boast of being the biggest city between Leeds and Edinburgh (though I'm pretty sure no-one will bother to do so).

And as a long-term resident/subject of North Tyneside Council, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see them absorbed into Newcastle. They really are utterly useless.

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I ve just figured out that the sig has changed [I'd no idea

I've no expertise in local government but I can see what seem like economies of scale and increased 'punching power' [a louder voice] from a combined authority.
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Old February 20th, 2016, 11:14 AM   #525
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There have been a lot of changes to local authorities in the North East in recent years with the scrapping of district councils in Durham and Northumberland so I think this could be a step in the right direction.
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Old February 20th, 2016, 12:20 PM   #526
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I'm all for this considering how the Tyneside conurbation essentially operated as a single economic area, it makes sense to be governed from a less fragmented organisation.
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 12:31 AM   #527
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Since the 2011 census that odd bit of braggadocio has been redundant. Increased birth rate and immigration led to a spike in Newcastle's population, whilst Sunderland was the only city in the UK to record a population fall.

It does baffle me how to some it's beyond comprehension that parts of Newcastle (Longbenton, Forest Hall, Benton etc) fall under the jurisdiction on NTC and towns that aren't part of Sunderland (Houghton, Hetton, Washington etc) fall under the jurisdiction of SCC. This false exercise in boundary drawing was simply to give the councils a viable population in 1974. So I guess we can now boast of being the biggest city between Leeds and Edinburgh (though I'm pretty sure no-one will bother to do so).

And as a long-term resident/subject of North Tyneside Council, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see them absorbed into Newcastle. They really are utterly useless.


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I could never understand why Longbenton became part of North Tyneside, when it's really a continuation of Newcastle and should have been lumped in with Newcastle like Newburn and Gosforth did when the reorganisation occured in 1974.
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 02:30 AM   #528
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I could never understand why Longbenton became part of North Tyneside, when it's really a continuation of Newcastle and should have been lumped in with Newcastle like Newburn and Gosforth did when the reorganisation occured in 1974.

In 1974 there were quite a few areas of "actual Newcastle" that were allocated to North Tyneside as part of the creation of the Borough. There was no reason for it happening like that, other than to give the newly created borough enough population to make it viable.

North Tyneside's HQ was, for many years, in North Shields, and there were no 'natural links' for any of these areas with North Shields.

These areas that were 'lumped in' to help create the new Borough (essentially from the Eastern Suburbs of physical Newcastle) include, Longbenton, Benton, Forest Hall, even Killingworth (and there could be others, if I gave it longer thought).

The 'streets', 'roads', 'houses' and 'shops', of those areas, in fact the whole physical appearance and structure of those areas, are of "typical City Suburbs' caused and formed by the growing City, over time. They just wouldn't be there (in the way that they are) if they were not a real part of the expanding City Urban Area.

Their removal, as has been explained many times on this thread, only serves to artificially reduce the size (and thus, often, the influence) of the City of Newcastle, making it less likely that some businesses will move here, as they often (initially) look at a list of the larger Cities to re-locate to, and we are just NOT in that list . . . whereas we should be.

I have had this sad fact confirmed to me on more than one occasion, by people in the business of promoting the region and attracting inward investment.
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In 1974 there were quite a few areas of "actual Newcastle" that were allocated to North Tyneside as part of the creation of the Borough. There was no reason for it happening like that, other than to give the newly created borough enough population to make it viable.

North Tyneside's HQ was, for many years, in North Shields, and there were no 'natural links' for any of these areas with North Shields.

These areas that were 'lumped in' to help create the new Borough (essentially from the Eastern Suburbs of physical Newcastle) include, Longbenton, Benton, Forest Hall, even Killingworth (and there could be others, if I gave it longer thought).

The 'streets', 'roads', 'houses' and 'shops', of those areas, in fact the whole physical appearance and structure of those areas, are of "typical City Suburbs' caused and formed by the growing City, over time. They just wouldn't be there (in the way that they are) if they were not a real part of the expanding City Urban Area.

Their removal, as has been explained many times on this thread, only serves to artificially reduce the size (and thus, often, the influence) of the City of Newcastle, making it less likely that some businesses will move here, as they often (initially) look at a list of the larger Cities to re-locate to, and we are just NOT in that list . . . whereas we should be.

I have had this sad fact confirmed to me on more than one occasion, by people in the business of promoting the region and attracting inward investment.
Excellent informative post N H,
I wonder if the present leader of Newcastle city council MR P FORBES is aware of these boundary changes when he recently stated there was no chance that Newcastle would merge with North Tyneside? On second thoughts he would have been in short trousers in 1974 or in his pram sucking his dummy, not much changed there then.
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Old February 22nd, 2016, 10:41 PM   #530
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Excellent informative post N H,
I wonder if the present leader of Newcastle city council MR P FORBES is aware of these boundary changes when he recently stated there was no chance that Newcastle would merge with North Tyneside?

I don't think it is needed, but just to clarify that when I say "actual Newcastle", I mean the geographical city-area, not any Local Authority Boundaries.

The areas I mention were not in any pre-1974 administrative area run by Newcastle City Council.
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 11:38 AM   #531
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I believe Longbenton was actually within the pre 1974 Newcastle boundaries - the council estate was built by the former Newcastle corporation.
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Old February 23rd, 2016, 12:31 PM   #532
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I believe Longbenton was actually within the pre 1974 Newcastle boundaries - the council estate was built by the former Newcastle corporation.

I don't think 'Longbenton' was ever inside the City Boundary pre-1974.

It should have been then, as it (logically) should be now, but that area north of the Railway Line was always outside the City, as is shown on the below pre-1974 Boundaries map . . .




There is the 'narrow strip' between Benton Park Road and the railway line (the dotted 'City Boundary' line in the above MAP) that may have been 'referred to' as Longbenton perhaps? Though it wasn't part of Longbenton.

As with the huge HMRC offices (DSS / The Ministry, etc) called 'Benton Park View' along Benton Park Road, the name-confusions (the casual/colloquial use of inaccurate place names) around that part of Newcastle were and are still, very frequent.

I think it is also possible that, because of the VERY tight City Boundary pre-1974, the City may have built some overspill housing outside of the City Boundary? I have a vague memory of reading about this.

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Old February 23rd, 2016, 09:29 PM   #533
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Think you might be right re last para NH
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Old February 28th, 2016, 01:04 PM   #534
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The draft ward boundary changed were published earlier this month and the consultation closes tomorrow.
Anyone subscribedto 'letstalknewcastle' will be able to view the proposed maps of the wards here.

The document detaillling the proposals can be downloaded here.
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There trying to balance out the population in each ward.
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there seems to be no government interest in merging councils
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when will the new ward changes take affect?
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Newcastle Area BOUNDARIES & POPULATION etc - Local Authorities/Parliamentary Constituencies/Postal Addresses

Should the name Northumbria be the official Name of the region

The term North East England is a very simple political term for the region.

For the North East regional assembly to of have over 50% support it needs go with the grain of history. Most of the public are not interested in politics or local government. It was seen on average as purely political, nothing to do with them.

People have to feel part of something. If years before the referendum vote it had been put to the people as the modern Northumbria with its own flag, seen and heard every where they go, the outcome would of been allot different.

It got to have that emotional, spiritual connections or its going to be seen as purely political.
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No, because it would be easily confused with the former Kingdom of Northumbria, which is different.
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No, because it would be easily confused with the former Kingdom of Northumbria, which is different.
I think the spirit of Northumbria always exist. Just its never been supported politically.
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