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Old April 29th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #61
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Thank god for that, i was getting confused, thinking i was being mis-understood.

As for you Demo Dan. I couldn't care less what your opinion is. You'll find most the folks on these boards are very excited, (if a little frustrated by the progress), by whats planned for Eastside.

Ooooooooohhh temper temper

Yes the project can be exciting.And I'm sure it will be in some or maybe lots of ways.
However, there's nothing wrong with querying certain things up front.
If that had happened in the 1960s, we wouldn't still be trying to sort out that mess today.

Bureau, I knew where City Park is in relat to the car park.
But look at the maps and old plans and you'll see its meant to be/ was intended to be interconnected green areas.

The simple pt is, u aim for a nice area with greenery and fountains, so why have such a dubious /controversial way of cladding the most problematic of all urban buildings (ie a car park)
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Old May 1st, 2009, 12:52 AM   #62
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Behind MP and VTP200. The MSP is needed.
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Old May 4th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #63
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car park in eastside

Why would an architect want to clad a car park with glass? This gives an opportunity for something different, not just another faceless commercial building!

I know the area well and the fountain on the images is there already.

The area between the Vertical theme park and rear of Millennium Point is a new public square independant of the park on the site of the existing surface car park serving Millennium point, so the benches would be in the public square. I dont think they form part of the car park proposals when considering the boundary of the scheme.

The main design constraint for a multi storey car park is ventilation, so creating a glazed facade would be impractical on several fronts. It would be incredibly expensive and unsustainable as mechanical ventilation would be required.

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Old May 4th, 2009, 03:29 PM   #64
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Welcome to the forum bn32 .Good to have more Villa fans on board .

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Old May 5th, 2009, 12:17 AM   #65
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Old May 5th, 2009, 12:45 AM   #66
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Welcome bluenose

I think only a limited amount of the car park is clad in glass... and to be honest i think the designer is doing something different. I know this car park has really divided opinions on the thread but i think it will turn out nicely.

And if you take another look at the renders, i think you can just make out that there are quite a few gaps in the cladding, this should solve the problem of ventilation.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 12:54 AM   #67
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I think I was misunderstood.

I really like the design I think its very innovative.

My thoughts were in response to demolition man's comments (which I disagree with):

"screening with glass or foliage /underground would have been better."

My point was that glass or foliage would restrict ventilation and burying the carpark below ground would have been incredibly expensive.
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Ahhh sorry bluenose

i obviously completely mis-read your post, i see what you mean now

I still can't get over the fact im so keen on a multi- storey car park
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Old June 5th, 2009, 01:17 AM   #69
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VTP got a bit of a mention in other news.

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Embarrassment as Birmingham Council rejects own design for car park

Jun 5 2009 by Neil Elkes, Birmingham Post

Council architects have been sent back to the drawing board after designs for a new multi-storey car park were slammed as the “ugliest building in Birmingham” by the city’s own planning committee.

The £12million green tinted seven-storey car park, to be built next to Millennium Point, was described by planning committee members as “hideous’”, “brutalist”, “scary” and something that had been “shelled in Beirut”.

Coun Paula Smith (Lib Dem, Hall Green), “I agree that we need a car park, but it does not have to be so ugly. It’s scary, the green is just hideous.”

Coun Mike Sharpe (Lab, Tyburn) said: “It looks like something from the 1960s. We are tearing down buildings like this all over the city. The Central Library is coming down, but that is a better looking building than this.

“This would be the ugliest building in Birmingham,” he added.

And Bob Beauchamp (Con, Erdington) added: “It looks like something that had been shelled in Beirut. It has no aesthetic value at all.”

Not one of the committee’s 15 members had a good word to say about the *design.

Their uncompromising verdict was that it looks too blocky and its aluminium panels too grey and looks likes something from the dustbin of architectural history. Also despised were the green acrylic panels, designed to break up the grey, which Coun Sharpe added would only be welcome on St Partrick’s Day.

The views were completely at odds with the planning officer’s report which *described the building as a “high quality contemporary structure” and recommended approval.

The committee has now demanded the council’s urban design team come up with a better looking car park before the plan is approved.

If backed, the council-run car park will provide 975 parking spaces off Jennens Road, between Millennium Point and the proposed VTP200 vertical theme park.

The car park will serve the theme park, Thinktank and proposed Eastside Locks development.

It will replace the car park spaces to the front of Millennium Point where the land is earmarked for development of the new Eastside City Park. A coach park is also included in the scheme.

Pettifer Estates, which is behind the VTP200 project has welcomed the car park, but also asked that the rooftop, which would be seen from the top of their proposed 200 metre tower, be “more interesting visually”.

Council regeneration boss Neville Summerfield said the aim is to build the car park sooner rather than later to kick start further development in the area, which had stalled in the downturn.
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FFS, what the **** were they expecting from a multi-storey car park? An architectural masterpiece!? They approved that shoddy mess of an office block for themselves and then refuse this! Pah!
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Old June 5th, 2009, 02:31 AM   #71
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Some of these councillors have no idea about architecture.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 03:05 AM   #72
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Old June 5th, 2009, 09:12 AM   #73
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Good to hear that the VTP is still being mentioned . I thought the car park looked OK .
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Old June 5th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #74
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Thanks feltip. Thought i would do the honour of posting the planning pics.

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It doesn't look like something from the 1960s to me.

I thought it looked quite cool. It's a car park, what do you expect
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"dustbin of architectural history"

Council must've had an off day.
They actually did sthg right.

Its bloody simple.Shitty areas have multi-stories.Classy areas have them hidden underground or inside offices etc.
Fountains infront of a multi-storey summed it up.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 02:12 PM   #76
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Well, I'm glad they are being vocal but I think it is an overreaction.

It will mean we get something better though
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Actually I've worked it out.

That wasn't a fountain infront of the ugly multistorey.
It was a burst water main.
Someone from the council said "oh we aren't gonna have things too flash.Make it look like we're miserly and have a pond created from burst mains.."
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Some of these councillors have no idea about architecture.
I agree someone should put a leash on these architecturally illiterate councillors.
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Old June 5th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #79
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Actually I've worked it out.

That wasn't a fountain infront of the ugly multistorey.
It was a burst water main.
Someone from the council said "oh we aren't gonna have things too flash.Make it look like we're miserly and have a pond created from burst mains.."
I'd be worried if I were you! Judging by the positive responses on this you're in a minority agreeing with the councillors. In fact you don't sit on the planning committe do you? By the way you seem obcessed by this fountain, go and have a look its already there! Its just part of the forground of the 3D visualisation.
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I still prefer it to the new library design...
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