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Old August 3rd, 2019, 10:19 AM   #3221
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South African leasing the A359 for a few years will definitely give them time to test whether replacing its A343s and A346s with a more modern wide body will bring their finances back to profitability. I am already suspecting SAA will lease that aircraft for longer, if not outright retire both A340 types once the A359 shows its strengths and capabilities, especially with JNB being a hot-and-high airport. My concern for this lease would be, what modifications will SAA need to install if it commits to the A359 to allow longer flights from JNB without refueling? Remember that it currently operates long hauls to JFK, IAD (via ACC), GRU, PER, FRA, MUC, LHR, HKG, and CAN (from September).
It was recently revealed that the 2 frames are Air Mauritius'. The regular a350-900 already has a bit more range than the a340-600. I'm not sure that will be enough to ditch the refuel. But anyway, as these planes are only leased for a few years, I don't think the frames will be customized to SAA's likings (whether it's increasing MTOW or cabin outfitting). Air Mauritius seems to be doing this to alleviate their financial struggle but most likely will eventually take them back.
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Old August 3rd, 2019, 10:37 AM   #3222
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It was recently revealed that the 2 frames are Air Mauritius'. The regular a350-900 already has a bit more range than the a340-600. I'm not sure that will be enough to ditch the refuel. But anyway, as these planes are only leased for a few years, I don't think the frames will be customized to SAA's likings (whether it's increasing MTOW or cabin outfitting). Air Mauritius seems to be doing this to alleviate their financial struggle but most likely will eventually take them back.
I hope Airbus will send one of their A350-900XWBs (if not the -1000 variant) to Johannesburg to motivate SAA to buy their aircraft. Maybe Airbus should work with the airline to determine what modifications the European aircraft giant can do to allow it to purchase the A359 outright while coping with the challenge of a hot-and-high airport. I mean, the A343 and A346 are almost gone in favor of more fuel-efficient aircraft, and SAA trying out the A359 way later on tells me something has not gone right with the airline management-wise.
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Old August 3rd, 2019, 04:04 PM   #3223
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I hope Airbus will send one of their A350-900XWBs (if not the -1000 variant) to Johannesburg to motivate SAA to buy their aircraft. Maybe Airbus should work with the airline to determine what modifications the European aircraft giant can do to allow it to purchase the A359 outright while coping with the challenge of a hot-and-high airport. I mean, the A343 and A346 are almost gone in favor of more fuel-efficient aircraft, and SAA trying out the A359 way later on tells me something has not gone right with the airline management-wise.
I think Airbus is not so keen to cooperate with SAA, given its current financial troubles and it maybe only take 10 or so A350's (to be determined if it will be -900s or -1000s). There's not so much to gain for Airbus here.
That's also the reason SAA are taking ntu frames via a third-party lessor.

No, I think Airbus is putting more effort in making Project Sunrise really happen. There are way more things to gain here: huge corporate image boost, financially more rewarding (I expect Qantas and related carriers to order at least 25 machines) and of course the ultimate record of longest non-stop commercial flight of all time.
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I still have my doubts whether Airbus could actually pull off a non-stop flight between LHR and SYD with the A350XWB-1000 modified with more fuel tankage and a reduced passenger load (I'd say around 285 passengers in Business and Premium Economy seating with a seating pitch around 39 inch (99 m) and width of 18.5 inch (48 cm) to reduce the issue of deep-vein thrombosis).

JNB is a difficult airport to operate out of because of its altitude of 1,694 m, especially during the Southern Hemisphere summer. Maybe they need to extend the runways to 15,500 feet (4,724 meters) to allow safe takeoffs with a full fuel load with a plane such as the A350XWB-900.
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I still have my doubts whether Airbus could actually pull off a non-stop flight between LHR and SYD with the A350XWB-1000 modified with more fuel tankage and a reduced passenger load (I'd say around 285 passengers in Business and Premium Economy seating with a seating pitch around 39 inch (99 m) and width of 18.5 inch (48 cm) to reduce the issue of deep-vein thrombosis).

JNB is a difficult airport to operate out of because of its altitude of 1,694 m, especially during the Southern Hemisphere summer. Maybe they need to extend the runways to 15,500 feet (4,724 meters) to allow safe takeoffs with a full fuel load with a plane such as the A350XWB-900.
We can do that with either one of the two parallel runways, most likely Rwy 03L/21R as it is already at 14,495 feet (4,421 meters). The additional 505 feet (303 meters) can indeed impact flight operations for the better, especially if we want full planes to depart JNB more easily. My great concern about that runway extension would be space availability, though.
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Old August 27th, 2019, 07:50 AM   #3228
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A few things:

- What will be its seating configuration initially, and will there be several seating configurations (e.g. 2-class, 3-class, 4-class) on that aircraft, similar to the Boeing 777-200ER and Boeing 777-300ER?

- I understand it will replace the A340-300, but will that plane also replace the older Boeing 777-200ER too, if not also the A330-200?

- Will there be a few A359s that will be based out of ORY for AF's Caribbean flights (plus JFK), or will it be exclusive only to CDG for the time being?

- Will the addition of the A359 allow AF to expand its long-haul network further, alongside the Boeing 787-9? Which destinations, aside from the existing network, might benefit from this aircraft?
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Old August 27th, 2019, 08:06 PM   #3229
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A few things:

- What will be its seating configuration initially, and will there be several seating configurations (e.g. 2-class, 3-class, 4-class) on that aircraft, similar to the Boeing 777-200ER and Boeing 777-300ER?

- I understand it will replace the A340-300, but will that plane also replace the older Boeing 777-200ER too, if not also the A330-200?

- Will there be a few A359s that will be based out of ORY for AF's Caribbean flights (plus JFK), or will it be exclusive only to CDG for the time being?

- Will the addition of the A359 allow AF to expand its long-haul network further, alongside the Boeing 787-9? Which destinations, aside from the existing network, might benefit from this aircraft?
Moving forward, Air France intends to fly aircraft no larger than the A350-900.

In the near term, they will replace Delta flying on transatlantic with A220, A330neo and A350.

The whole motivation behind AF KL is that one holds Airbus, the other holds Boeing so that when aircraft need to be transferred, it is easier. FYI, Lufthansa is not doing very well due to Switzerland wanting ZRH closed in favor of MXP BGO or Lausanne. Germans, Austrians see Lufthansa's Europeanization as a betrayal to their culture, especially when AF KL AZ have been able to function. Ironically, tnis is what makes AF so attractive. THe snobbery of French service IS a positive here.
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- What will be its seating configuration initially, and will there be several seating configurations (e.g. 2-class, 3-class, 4-class) on that aircraft, similar to the Boeing 777-200ER and Boeing 777-300ER?

- I understand it will replace the A340-300, but will that plane also replace the older Boeing 777-200ER too, if not also the A330-200?
- I understand the first one are delivered as ordered initially for Joon. Later ones might be a little more premium heavy.

- Only 3 A340s will remain in the fleet after the tenth 787 is delivered. So the A350s will mostly replace 772s I think, although the early retirement of the A380s might extend their lives (moreover, all 772s recently got a cabin upgrade, and the 77Ws are newer). Also, 3 remaining A340s + 25 77Es = 28 A359s, numbers fit nicely .
The A330s are not to be replaced soon, and they are currently being refurbished.
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especially when AF KL AZ have been able to function. Ironically, tnis is what makes AF so attractive.
Alitalia been able to function, are you in a parallel universe where it actually does function ? Delta should walk away from the deal Gruppo FS and the government wants to happen, and let AF deal with it instead (after KLM leaves the group and joins IAG so they don't take any Alitalia debts with them)

But anyway, back to the A350. Ironic are the engine covers of the competitor (P&W is a division of UTC Aerospace) on the RR engines Couldn't RR design some custom ones instead ?
Also, the AF-KL group logo seems to be positioned too high versus the existing fleet, it should be positioned lower and more towards the front of the nose.
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I do think that Air France will end up buying the A350XWB-1000 anyway. They need it for their routes to many parts of the USA. The current A350XWB-900 order is to replace their oldest 777-200ER's.
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As part of the huge LATAM-Delta deal, Delta will take 4 a350 from LATAM's current fleet and an order for 10 a350s (undelivered frames) will go to Delta also. With Delta's upcoming expansion in South America, they definitely need more frames.

Interestingly, LATAM currently has 5 a350-900 and 8 a350-1000 on order. It makes me wonder if Delta will get some a350-1000. I do want to see that. But on the other hand, with Delta's very good relationship with Airbus, it's likely no big deal for Airbus if they convert the order to a350-900.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Delta buys a lot more A350's. They'll need them for expanded services to eastern Asia.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Delta buys a lot more A350's. They'll need them for expanded services to eastern Asia.
I was under the impression that the bulk of them would be A330neo. I remember an AirInsight article mentioning that only a handful of airlines would have A330neo but they'll all be in the 100s. If I recall, AirAsia, 2 Chinese airlines, 2 Indian airlines, Delta.

I love how things are stirring so that American may be the one who will need to order CR929 again, just as they ordered the A300 then, paving the way for Russo-Sino jets in the North America market.
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I was under the impression that the bulk of them would be A330neo. I remember an AirInsight article mentioning that only a handful of airlines would have A330neo but they'll all be in the 100s. If I recall, AirAsia, 2 Chinese airlines, 2 Indian airlines, Delta.

I love how things are stirring so that American may be the one who will need to order CR929 again, just as they ordered the A300 then, paving the way for Russo-Sino jets in the North America market.
CR929 in NATO airspaces? forget about it...
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CR929 in NATO airspaces? forget about it...
But then again some analysts even go so far as seeing Icelandair as a probable MC-21 customer to get rid of their ageing 757-200's and their miserable failed MAX'es..
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/oped...-more-complex/ (heading "Except")
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