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Old December 10th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #11001
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Neither deal was ideal, because the idea of one football club being the main benefices of the post-Olympic legacy for the stadium has never been popular. But this one is better I think. Selling an expensive state asset very much on the cheap just to remove the problem from Boris' intray (something Levy saw as too good not to try for too), was always going to leave the taxpayer permanently short-changed, with nothing to show for their investment but a loss, and boost the value of the club who bought it.

At least this way there's a chance in the long-term of some payback, even if the retro-fitting is expensive.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 01:36 PM   #11002
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In a shock departure I'm going to post about the actual stadium. I found the following on the no ordinary park website and is a extract from a report from the CE of LLDC to the LLDC board dated 24 November which I don't think has been mentioned here before.

"Stadium Wrap: On 27 October 2015 PDC resolved to grant planning permission and advert consent for an LED wrap, subject to conditions of operation and impact mitigation. The procurement process for the wrap is ongoing, with the potential to appoint the preferred contractor in November 2015."
Where can I find that?
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Old December 10th, 2015, 02:33 PM   #11003
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Where can I find that?

I'm on my phone at the moment and can't post a link. I'll do so tonight. In the meantime you can find it in the papers for the LLDC Board meeting of 24 November which can be found in the 'Boards & Committees' section of the no ordinary park website.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:20 PM   #11005
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Where can I find that?
http://www.london.gov.uk/LLDC/docume...ation.pdf?T=10

This is interesting on Page 27:
Progress Stratford Station Carpenters entrance
Planning to be submitted in November 2015.
Start on site date is likely to slip into 2016/17

http://greater-carpenters.co.uk/cale...rance-planned/
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Old December 10th, 2015, 04:04 PM   #11006
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This is interesting on Page 27:
Progress Stratford Station Carpenters entrance
Planning to be submitted in November 2015.
Start on site date is likely to slip into 2016/17

http://greater-carpenters.co.uk/cale...rance-planned/[/QUOTE]


That is brilliant news and will greatly reduce pressure on crowds coming into the stadium via the Westfield entrance route.

It'll also make the bloke the runs the Carpenters Arms a rich man.

I took a quick screen grab of the entrance. Shouldn't take much to sort that out.



I still cant get why the LLDC dont expect significant crowd flow into the park from the Carpenters Road Bridge. There will be loads of people using this route to avoid the Wesfield route.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 04:23 PM   #11007
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Old December 10th, 2015, 04:46 PM   #11008
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Better than the previous concourse CGI. Hopefully they've also changed the interior branding, especially the sails.

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Old December 10th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #11009
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Training ground plans for west ham rush green approved with minor conditions:

https://msp.havering.gov.uk/Planning...ontent=obj.pdf
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Old December 10th, 2015, 05:52 PM   #11010
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The "Westhamification" seems a bit chintzy for me, especially on a stadium known for its minimalist aesthetic.
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Yes, and as I've said before, the similarity between the external structure of the stadium and the crossed hammers badge really should be exploited more. It's a very happy coincidence as far as West Ham are concerned.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 06:55 PM   #11012
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The mildest little joke about something Karen Brady said two weeks ago and you give me a self-righteuous lecture about keeping things on topic. Two weeks later and you're coming out with this shit?!

For the 442nd time, this ISN'T a West Ham thread. If that's what you want, go back to KUMB, please.

Can I also just say, anyone who supports Spurs or West Ham in this thread has an agenda. It is funny to see West Ham fans piling on Bazza as if they don't! But just because people have an agenda, doesn't make them wrong.

Why bless you Rob.

I am a spurs fan and my point has always been clear. I don't believe public facility's contracts to private companies should have any element of secrecy about them. Its as simple as that.
If you need a secrete contract go private or buy your own place. Public property needs protecting. The OS is public property.
And frankly I've always been on topic unless answering these few agenda driven critics i seem to have accumulated.
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Even people who have agenda's should get their facts right.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 07:00 PM   #11014
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Site of the Olympic Stadium in the background (including Pudding Mill River which is now long gone), the Aquatic Centre and Olympicopolis in the middle and the International Quarter in the near ground, 1948.



http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/eaw020400
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Training ground plans for west ham rush green approved with minor conditions:

https://msp.havering.gov.uk/Planning...ontent=obj.pdf
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Chadwell Heath pitches are slippery on top but rock hard underneath

Squad to train at Rush Green from next week after injury list lengthens

Slaven Bilic has reacted to West Ham United’s injury crisis by accelerating their move to a new training ground, with the recent spate of muscle problems being blamed on the “rock-hard” pitches at the club’s current site in Chadwell Heath.
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Matty Etherington on West Ham's Chadwell Heath training ground:



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Even people who have agenda's should get their facts right.

It's tempting, but your going to have to work this one out alone.
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As has been pointed out before, PPPs frequently include NDAs. Unless you truly believe that this is an intended stitch up that will show that the deal was illegal, the prejudicial issue in revealing the contract in full works solely against the public bodies that petitioners claim to be trying to protect. This is made clear in the latest LLDC Board Minutes which are linked above.
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As has been pointed out before, PPPs frequently include NDAs. Unless you truly believe that this is an intended stitch up that will show that the deal was illegal, the prejudicial issue in revealing the contract in full works solely against the public bodies that petitioners claim to be trying to protect. This is made clear in the latest LLDC Board Minutes which are linked above.

Again. Thats the point. Why should there be any doubt.
Revealing the contract in full won't work against anyone, IF the contract has been put together properly. Why should it? If the deal is fair then it stands up. Any future tenants wouldn't be able to use it as a negotiating tool because its a unique deal. You only need secrecy if you intend to give out different rates for different applicants which is not how a public body should be operating.
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Again. Thats the point. Why should there be any doubt.
Revealing the contract in full won't work against anyone, IF the contract has been put together properly. Why should it? If the deal is fair then it stands up. Any future tenants wouldn't be able to use it as a negotiating tool because its a unique deal. You only need secrecy if you intend to give out different rates for different applicants which is not how a public body should be operating.
If that Is the case then why are the LLDC now preparing a document to show the financial loss caused to them by the contract being released in full?
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If that Is the case then why are the LLDC now preparing a document to show the financial loss caused to them by the contract being released in full?
REALLY?

If i come back i want to be a lawyer.

Because their being really badly advised i'd say.
If its that bad then they didn't get full potential within the west ham deal. If they had a good deal they would be boasting about it.

If they have a release of information clause in west hams favour then there must be a reason for it.

I would understand keeping names quiet until deals are complete but this is about numbers. Percentages of who gets what? Cash money going through public authority that wont be accountable. V wrong.

But this is all chuff N nonsense. The deal is ordered to be publicised. Next step should be to punish non compliance.
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