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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #41
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@Tiaren: the Nikolai-Viertel is the old city center, that's correct. Too bad, it was nearly 100% destroyed in the last battles of WW2. What you see today is a reconstruction from the late 80ies. The original masterplan of the east german governmant was to erase the previous city structure in favour of an utopian communist city. At the loatcion of the Nikolaiviertel a port for river boats was planned. We are lucky that this plan was changed

Instead they rebuild the area in advance of the 750 anniversary of Berlin. Due to limited ressources of the east-german state, the reconstrution is rather cheap and not very detailed. You can see this at many buildings.



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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:49 PM   #42
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@Tiaren: the Nikolai-Viertel is the old city center, that's correct. Too bad, it was nearly 100% destroyed in the last battles of WW2. What you see today is a reconstruction from the late 80ies. The original masterplan of the east german governmant was to erase the previous city structure in favour of an utopian communist city. At the loatcion of the Nikolaiviertel a port for river boats was planned. We are lucky that this plan was changed

Instead they rebuild the area in advance of the 750 anniversary of Berlin. Due to limited ressources of the east-german state, the reconstrution is rather cheap and not very detailed. You can see this at many buildings.
I know very well...
One thing I can't understand, why presenting Berlin always in the worst light? Every other nation would proudly advertise their capital in the best light.
I think, your last post was really unnecessary, Miau. Or was it already to much beauty to bare?
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Old February 10th, 2009, 10:06 PM   #43
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One thing I can't understand, why presenting Berlin always in the worst light? Every other nation would proudly advertise their capital in the best light.
I think, you last post was really unnecessary, Miau. Or was it already to much beauty to bare?
It would not be honest if any other german bashed Berlin, but I am from here, I am allowed to also say negative things .

If you have a close look on Berlin, you'll find a lot of ugly places. It is not like the usual sugarcoated tourist destination. And a lot of people are confused about the harsh but fair personality of it's inhabitants (I guess that's the very common difference between urban and rural people). But on the other hand, it is right this state of incompleteness that defines Berlin.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 10:12 PM   #44
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Old February 10th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #45
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I have lived in Berlin for one month for an art project and I have to say that it was love at first sight....one of the most interesting and seductive urban environments in the world... a great city with great people!!! Some images from Berlin:





















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Old February 10th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #46
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It would not be honest if any other german bashed Berlin, but I am from here, I am allowed to also say negative things .

If you have a close look on Berlin, you'll find a lot of ugly places. It is not like the usual sugarcoated tourist destination. And a lot of people are confused about the harsh but fair personality of it's inhabitants (I guess that's the very common difference between urban and rural people). But on the other hand, it is right this state of incompleteness that defines Berlin.
I'll answer in German, so I can better express what my problem was:
Ich fand's halt nich so schön, dass ich mir den, verzeih mir die Ausdrucksweise, Poppes aufgerissen hab, um wirklich die schönsten Bilder im Netz zum Nikolaiviertel zu finden und dann kommt gleich wer daher und postet als Antwort darauf die hässlichsten. Und das im "I love Berlin Thread".
Ich hab' auch verstanden, dass du das nicht böse gemeint hast. Du dachtest wahrscheinlich, ich wüsste nicht so gut über dieses "Disneyland-Viertel" bescheid und hast mir daher etwas Info zukommen lassen.
Aber meinst du, dass ich so unwissend von der Allgemeinsituation sein kann, wenn ich es tatsächlich geschafft hab, aus zahlreichen Online-Galerien nur perfekte Pics ohne irgendwelche Gammelplatten zu finden?
Daher, wenn ich demnächst nochmal mühevoll Fotos von Berlins Schokoseite posten sollte, dann fänd ich's echt toll, wenn man mich in meinem vermeintlichen Irrglauben lässt. Oder er/sie kann ja noch einen "I love Berlin's Schmuddelecken-Thread" aufmachen.

Nix für ungut, Miau!

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Old February 10th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #47
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Berlin 1945

can somebody post a pic of this perspective before the bombings and today?

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Old February 10th, 2009, 11:42 PM   #48
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this is the broad avenue 'Unter den Linden'

it is difficult to find pictures from the same angle

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more pics from the same area

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Old February 11th, 2009, 12:34 AM   #51
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Very nice thread, miau!
I like it!

@Tiaren: Ich finds ja echt toll, dass du dir so viel Arbeit machst und nur die besten Bilder vom Nikolaiviertel suchst bzw. postest. Aber deine Bilder verfälschen übelst die Realität. Wenn jemand deine Bilder sieht und dann nach Berlin kommt (ins Nikolaiviertel), dann kann er ja nur enttäuscht sein. Da sollte man schon gleich mit der ganzen Wahrheit rausrücken, finde ich.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 12:45 AM   #52
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nicht Berliner haben zu diesem Thema nix zu sagen, Dr. seltsam... husch husch ins Körbchen
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Naja...ein bisschen kann ich glaub ich schon mitreden. War immerhin schon drei mal da und so groß ist das Nikolaiviertel nun auch nicht. Die Häßlichkeit überwiegt leider deutlich.
Nicht falsch verstehen...ich rede nur vom Nikolaiviertel, nicht von ganz Berlin. Ich liebe Berlin!
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What's so special about the bus line number 100?
Maybe is nothign special for Berliners, but it goes to a lot of Berlin's sightseeings.

Since I was a tourist, I loved going in this line, on the second floor enjoying great tours and views of the city. And it is included in the U-Bahn Tageskarte.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 01:20 AM   #55
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Naja...ein bisschen kann ich glaub ich schon mitreden. War immerhin schon drei mal da und so groß ist das Nikolaiviertel nun auch nicht. Die Häßlichkeit überwiegt leider deutlich.
Nicht falsch verstehen...ich rede nur vom Nikolaiviertel, nicht von ganz Berlin. Ich liebe Berlin!
Ich kenne das... wenn ich Gäste habe und die unbedingt den historischen Stadtkern sehen wollen, dann führe ich sie ganz schnell am Nikolai-Viertel vorbei Richtung Gendarmenmarkt.

Es wäre schön, wenn das Viertel komplett neu bebaut werden würde, aber es gibt noch genügend andere Baustellen.


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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:29 AM   #56
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It's always incredible to see just how much Berlin has rebuilt since reunification especially when these events were still occuring 18/19 years ago when Berlin was still a divided city!

We all know that Berlin can be quite an ugly city compared to Paris or Rome or even other German cities, but then I can show you plenty of photos of Auckland or London that are as hideous/more hideous than some of the worst that Berlin has to offer. Nearly every city has a dark side, however, it's great to celebrate the good too - especially when they've changed as much as Berlin in a short space of time.

Excellent photos everyone.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 11:49 AM   #57
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One thing I can't understand, why presenting Berlin always in the worst light? Every other nation would proudly advertise their capital in the best light.
A very just question Tiaren!
Germans should be very proud indeed of their country and especially
so of the true survivor capital and ultimate metropole called Berlin!
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Amazing view over the center of Europe from Funkturm!

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The KaDeWe (Kaufhaus des Westens), Berlin's largest department store celebrated its 100th anniversary not long ago:











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