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Old January 19th, 2017, 03:56 AM   #21
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Ba't ba kasi may parking space sa gitna? Why don't they convert it to a da** multistorey parking lot? Para magkatabi na ang mga linya. Yun talaga ang original plan, diba? If Ayala wanted convenience for their Vertis project, edi sana they offered services to construct a station right smack between the Common Station and Quezon Avenue Station.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 03:57 AM   #22
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Kung mag.away2 tau dyan. Ibalik na natin original plan of Marcos.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:02 AM   #23
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Wala na ba talagang pagasa ang original systra plan?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:02 AM   #24
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Maka-Ayala kasi ang LP noon eh. Parang may "pabor"...
"Parang"? May konting duda pa ba diyan?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #25
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"Parang"? May konting duda pa ba diyan?
May joke nga dati sa Ayala e. May isang friend na taga government na gustong lumipat sa private sector. Tinanong si friend in Ayala, sinabing "Sigurado ka ba? Kung lilipat ka dito, 'di ka pa rin nakalipat ng private sector."
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:16 AM   #26
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In my view: advantages of the proposed station:

- Spreads out the three lines, mitigating overcrowding
- Direct connection to the future Vertis North CBD, which also connects to various gov't offices
- Makes use of the wider triangular space between SM North and Trinoma, instead of squeezing everything within the width of EDSA as in the original design
- Most importantly: has the support of all major players, preventing any further delays

The argument that it makes commuters walk too far is baffling to me. SM Megamall from end to end is over 500 meters, but does anyone complain? It's not distance that matters but the quality of the walkway -- airconditioned, even floor, pleasant scenery.
I agree. Can you imagine if all three lines in one roof? We'll have a scene like this along EDSA:


Even if they get new trains for the MRT-3, it will still be unable to cope with the daily ridership once the MRT-7 is completed.

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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:17 AM   #27
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Okay...setting aside my "sama ng loob" with the Ayalas and putting my speculative engineering hat on....I'm still a transit geek.

One of the things that is really puzzling is the presence of two viaducts, one viaduct for MRT3 and another for LRT1. Currently there is one existing viaduct that physically links MRT3 and LRT1.

This is a clearer image of what walrus357 posted earlier...


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It looks like the existing MRT3/LRT1 viaduct will remain BUT a *new* LRT1 viaduct will be constructed. If you look at the upper left part of the image, my guess is this new viaduct will be built and linked at the existing provisions left for the original Common Station. Now where the new LRT1 viaduct wlll end, who knows but obviously before the existing North Avenue Station.

It kinda makes sense since LRT1 is now under LRMC/Ayala so they can extend that a little with its own viaduct if they want. But note that MRT3 riders will be far away from MRT7 while the Ayala controlled LRT1 is sandwiched between.
Wait lang, is the highlighted block to the left of the Common Station SM Cyber West, or they plan on having a new structure on Paramount?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:21 AM   #28
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Agree with this.


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I agree. Can you imagine if the all three lines in one roof? We'll have a scene like this along EDSA:


Even if they get new trains for the MRT-3, it will still be unable to cope with the daily ridership once the MRT-7 is completed.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:39 AM   #29
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I guess it too, our moderators would probably notice it if there's in need of transfer of
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Old January 19th, 2017, 05:45 AM   #30
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kung ayaw negative sila sa 2.8 b cost ng common station, e d ibalik nila sa dating budget which is nasa 700M (yata).

maitatayo naman ung common station sa ganung halaga, pero tingnan natin ang quality.

ano gusto nyo? expensive but with quality or cheap but low in class?

minsan lang magkaroon ng magandang infra ang pinas, aayawin pa rin? ano ba talaga kuya????
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Old January 19th, 2017, 05:57 AM   #31
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kung ayaw negative sila sa 2.8 b cost ng common station, e d ibalik nila sa dating budget which is nasa 700M (yata).

maitatayo naman ung common station sa ganung halaga, pero tingnan natin ang quality.

ano gusto nyo? expensive but with quality or cheap but low in class?

minsan lang magkaroon ng magandang infra ang pinas, aayawin pa rin? ano ba talaga kuya????
Depende na yan sa COA. IIRC, nagkagulo ang buhay ng ibang mayors diyan dahil gusto yung magarang designs at mamahaling muebles!
Alam mo naman sa gobiyerno, yung pinakamura ang dapat.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:18 AM   #32
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I agree. Can you imagine if all three lines in one roof? We'll have a scene like this along EDSA:


Even if they get new trains for the MRT-3, it will still be unable to cope with the daily ridership once the MRT-7 is completed.

sa unang tingin maganda yung original plan pero overcrowded eventually once three lines are all operational.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:18 AM   #33
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Depende na yan sa COA. IIRC, nagkagulo ang buhay ng ibang mayors diyan dahil gusto yung magarang designs at mamahaling muebles!
Alam mo naman sa gobiyerno, yung pinakamura ang dapat.
sana baguhin na yang sistema na kung ano ang pinakamura e syang makakakuha ng project. di baleng gumastos basta maganda at pangmatagalan ang kalidad. kesa mura nga e mapapamura ka sa design at ilang taon lang bulok na
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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:20 AM   #34
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sa unang tingin maganda yung original plan pero overcrowded eventually once three lines are all operational.
nagkakaroon ng overcrowding dahil mabagal ang takbo ng mga tren, laging nasisira, kulang sa mga bagon, at walang platform para sa mga pasahero.
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from dzbb: lahat ng kaso ay iaatras ng mga nag-sign sa agreement para sa common station
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Old January 19th, 2017, 07:02 AM   #36
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nagkakaroon ng overcrowding dahil mabagal ang takbo ng mga tren, laging nasisira, kulang sa mga bagon, at walang platform para sa mga pasahero.


irregardless kung anung condition. imagine kung yung tatlong tren sabay sabay dumating sa common station tapos dun sa original plan napakaliit ng platform na shared pa ng tatlong system.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 07:05 AM   #37
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Nananahimik ako for the longest time because one of the forumers might accuse me again of benefitting from the new CS because of its proximity to the condos I'm marketing (I'm neither biased in favor of SM and Ayala because I market their condos in that area). But let me say my piece again. Travelling to Hong Kong, Singapore, Seoul, Tokyo and Osaka in the past months and years made me realize that you cannot put a train station for 3 or more railway lines in a small area such as the whole width of EDSA. What I've noticed that those railway stations are very big, almost as twice as the width of EDSA. And transferring between 3 or more railway lines would really entail at least 50 meters walk (Japan's longer, mapapagod ka talaga kung hindi ka sanay sa lakaran). Tokyo's Shinjuku and Shibuya Stations, Osaka's Osaka-Umeda Station complex are very large that they occupy 1 or 2 city blocks in order to accommodate all railway lines that station there, including the subway lines. Even Hong Kong's Admiralty Station, since there is a new platform for the newly opened South Island Line, coming from Tsuen Wan Line and Island Line you have to walk for at least 200 meters to get to the South Island Line platform. And let's not forget that these stations are integrated or connected with the surrounding shopping malls becuase railway operators in those cities are also into the real estate business kaya sila malaki kumita din.

Kung ipipilit natin yung original location in front of SM North EDSA Annex, we can expect longer lines than what is the current scenario at North Avenue Station kasi siniksik natin sa ganung kasikip na lugar ang CS. The new compromise CS location is the perfect location as it spreads out the station both at EDSA and North Avenue, and it fully integrates with the UV Express terminals of SM North EDSA and Trinoma. 2.8B pesos isn't just for the Area A of the station, it is also for the costs of the new LRT 1 viaduct, new overhead catenary system and new signalling system for that LRT 1 portion. 2.8B is just the indicative cost, it might go down or go high. Tsaka remember what President Duterte said in a speech a few months ago: "Hindi porke't lowest bidder yun na ang pinakamaganda. Dyan pa nga nagkakaroon ng pangit na pagkakagawa. Minsan may corruption pa doon" He meant to say having the cheapest cost means it is the best. Sometimes doon meron "cutting corners".
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irregardless kung anung condition. imagine kung yung tatlong tren sabay sabay dumating sa common station tapos dun sa original plan napakaliit ng platform na shared pa ng tatlong system.
nakapunta ka na ba sa ibang bansa na magkatapat lang ang platform ng dalawang linya ng tren? hindi nagkakaroon ng congestion dahil mabilis ang transition ng mga tren, nasa oras ang alis, mabilis at hindi nasisira.

kung magiging ganun ang sistema sa atin, sigurado ako na walang congestion na mangyayari.
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Nananahimik ako for the longest time because one of the forumers might accuse me again of benefitting from the new CS because of its proximity to the condos I'm marketing (I'm neither biased in favor of SM and Ayala because I market their condos in that area). But let me say my piece again. Travelling to Hong Kong, Singapore, Seoul, Tokyo and Osaka in the past months and years made me realize that you cannot put a train station for 3 or more railway lines in a small area such as the whole width of EDSA. What I've noticed that those railway stations are very big, almost as twice as the width of EDSA. And transferring between 3 or more railway lines would really entail at least 50 meters walk (Japan's longer, mapapagod ka talaga kung hindi ka sanay sa lakaran). Tokyo's Shinjuku and Shibuya Stations, Osaka's Osaka-Umeda Station complex are very large that they occupy 1 or 2 city blocks in order to accommodate all railway lines that station there, including the subway lines. Even Hong Kong's Admiralty Station, since there is a new platform for the newly opened South Island Line, coming from Tsuen Wan Line and Island Line you have to walk for at least 200 meters to get to the South Island Line platform. And let's not forget that these stations are integrated or connected with the surrounding shopping malls becuase railway operators in those cities are also into the real estate business kaya sila malaki kumita din.

Kung ipipilit natin yung original location in front of SM North EDSA Annex, we can expect longer lines than what is the current scenario at North Avenue Station kasi siniksik natin sa ganung kasikip na lugar ang CS. The new compromise CS location is the perfect location as it spreads out the station both at EDSA and North Avenue, and it fully integrates with the UV Express terminals of SM North EDSA and Trinoma. 2.8B pesos isn't just for the Area A of the station, it is also for the costs of the new LRT 1 viaduct, new overhead catenary system and new signalling system for that LRT 1 portion. 2.8B is just the indicative cost, it might go down or go high. Tsaka remember what President Duterte said in a speech a few months ago: "Hindi porke't lowest bidder yun na ang pinakamaganda. Dyan pa nga nagkakaroon ng pangit na pagkakagawa. Minsan may corruption pa doon" He meant to say having the cheapest cost means it is the best. Sometimes doon meron "cutting corners".
IMPO, we can't go on arguing without seeing numbers as basis for each othe posters' claim/s.

How many do you think will this station handle? Then we move forward as to these lines can cope with the total volume. Deal?
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IMPO, we can't go on arguing without seeing numbers as basis for each othe posters' claim/s.

How many do you think will this station handle? Then we move forward as to these lines can cope with the total volume. Deal?
I agree with anonymous_filipino's comment. Well to some comments na puro negative na lang ang sinasabi na wala naman basis ang mga sinasabi, i agree with you na lets argue once an actual number has been released.
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