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Old June 13th, 2012, 08:33 AM   #61
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"Chinese heart" for large aircraft makes steady progress
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With the development of the Chinese-made large aircraft, a high bypass ratio turbofan engine project is also moving forward steadily.

Engine is known as the "heart" of large aircraft. Bypass ratio refers to the ratio between bypass airflow and core compression inlet airflow. A high bypass ratio turbofan engine is defined as bypass ratio greater than 4:1.

Since its low fuel consumption and low noise, high bypass ratio engine is widely used on large-scale military and civilian transport aircraft, as well as other large subsonic aircraft, such as the tankers, warning aircraft and antisubmarine aircraft.

A forum held by ACAE (AVIC Commercial Aircraft Engine Co. Ltd) and Aerodynamic Department of CSAA (Chinese Society of Aeronautics and Astronautics) was launched on June 6-7.

Forty agencies and more than 100 world leading experts and scholars discussed around the areas of combustion chamber and turbine components design and technology, new materials and new technologies at more than 10 speeches held during the two days.

According to the previously disclosed timetable, ACAE plans to finish the design of large aircraft engine test device and form the overall design integration, assembly, and test capabilities by 2016. ACAE plans to deliver the engine to users by 2020.

ACAE holds responsibility and plays the main part in China's large aircraft engine design and development project. It was founded in Shanghai in 2009. With the development of its headquarter and four centers - design center, assembly and test center, customer service center and major repair and overhaul center, it has gradually built a industrial chain system with design, research & development, manufacture and sales for commercial aviation engine.

ACAE said that they will integrate quality domestic and abroad resources to spur technological progress of China's domestic aviation industry, and promote its structural adjustment and upgrading.
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This aircraft is great, I wish good luck to them.
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The plane is still a decade away from being finished.

Hope ryanair orders it like they suggested to though.
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a plane made in china? no thank you!!
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Firan Technology Group Corporation signs Letter of Intent with Shanghai Avionics Corporation (SAVIC) for cockpit control panel assemblies used on the C919 aircraft

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Firan Technology Group Corporation announced today that it has signed a Letter of Intent (LOI) with SAVIC, based in Shanghai, China for the supply of Cockpit Control Panel Assemblies for the Display System of the C919 aircraft.

Under the terms of the LOI, FTG will design, develop, manufacture and supply the Display System Suite of control panel assemblies. The design, development and initial manufacturing will be completed at FTG Aerospace - Toronto and volume manufacturing will be performed at the division's facility in Tianjin, China.

SAVIC was selected by GE AVIC civil avionics joint venture to provide certain airborne avionics equipment for the C919 program and is planning to order 2,355 ship sets consisting of 9 control panel assemblies per set from FTG.

SAVIC and FTG have agreed to share the cost of the design and development of the control panel assembly products. Initial funding has been received from SAVIC and the program is now underway. Further discussions and negotiations are in progress with a view to concluding a long-term Master Agreement between SAVIC and FTG.

This Master Agreement will replace the LOI and cover all design, development, production and In Service Support (ISS) for the delivered products.

"This represents a tremendous opportunity for FTG to increase our value proposition in an important emerging market. FTG made a commitment to the China market in 2010 by establishing FTG Aerospace - Tianjin and we are pleased to see such significant results so soon", said Brad Bourne, President and CEO of FTG.

"SAVIC is dedicated to delivering more reliable and competitive avionics products to customers and is willing to build a long-term partnership with FTG. FTG's commitment to the China market and its localized manufacturing will benefit the C919 program", said Wang Guoqing, President of SAVIC.

"We are very excited to be a part of this strategic aircraft program with SAVIC", said Peter Dimopoulos, Vice President of Business Development at FTG. "Our continual focus on high quality, high reliability and best value offering were key factors in SAVIC's vendor selection process."

SAVIC is a high technology Chinese enterprise dedicated to the development and production of avionics and electronic products. SAVIC is a major provider of avionics products to the Chinese aviation industry and owned by Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

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In March, CETCA and Thales established a JV to manufacture in-flight entertainment system for C-919:


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HAMBURG, March 27 (Xinhua) -- China Electronics Technology Avionics Co.ltd (CETCA) launches a joint venture on Tuesday with French firm Thales, to provide in-flight entertainment system on China's homegrown C919 passenger plane .

Zeng Li, General Manager of CETCA, and his counterpart of Alan Pellegrini, Chief Executive for Thales In-Flight Entertainment and Communications business, signed the agreement at the ongoing Aircraft Interiors Exposition in the Hamburg Messe.

The joint venture, which is located in Chengdu, capital of southwest China's Sichuan Province, and set to be fully operational by the end of the year, will bring together world-class technology solutions of the two companies and provide cutting-edge in-flight entertainment and communications avionic system onto the new C919 plane.

The partnership is expected to support the China-based production of the Thales Top Series system and integrate it into the cabin of the much-anticipated Comac C919, the aircraft China hopes will help establish the country as one of the world's top commercial aircraft-makers.

Designed and built solely by China's aviation industry, the C919 jumbo jet, with some 156-190 seats on board, is expected to take flight in 2014 and with its aircraft deliveries scheduled as of 2016.

The CETCA-Thales joint venture will provide with its exclusive and scalable platform offering services ranging from interactive audio device through to full in-seat on-demand services, with its advantages in minimizing weight, cost and power-saving, and future evolution including wireless networks and connectivity.

"CETCA and Thales are dedicated to establish this joint venture as a global center of Excellence which extends into research and development, production, adaption, maintenance for the in-flight entertainment market." Alan Pellegrini said, adding that this joint venture will augment Thales's extant market leading business share of IFEC, which is headquartered in Irvine, California, USA.

"The global strength of Thales Group and our investment and growth strategy in partnership with both CETCA and COMAC a strong combination that will ultimately change the landscape of the civil aerospace marketplace in China." said Olivier Guibert, President Thales China and North Asia region, adding that the Thales fully expected there will be excellent demand for the Chinese own-manufactured C919 jumbo jet in the market and the Thales was proud of being part of this business arrangement.

"Anyway, the ambitious C919 program is just the start, as China's aviation industry is under fast development and the partnership with Thales has great potential." according to Zeng Li, general manager of CETCA.

Over the next 20 years, the China civil aviation market is forecasted to deliver 4,330 new aircrafts with 71 percent being single-aisle aircrafts, as the newly-founded joint venture is in a position to leverage and evolve current technologies that optimize offerings for the single-aisle and regional market.
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Shanghai Aircraft selects MAG CHARGER™ in industry's first U.S.-made composite tape layer sale to China



MAG's CHARGER tape layer deposits composite tape at industry-leading speeds, while achieving aerospace grade placement accuracies on complex contours.

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Low-rail gantry CHARGER™ contour tape layer to produce main wings, stabilizers and central wing boxes for COMAC Shanghai Aircraft C919 and C929 commercial passenger jets.

MAG expands its presence in the Chinese aerospace industry with the sale of the first composite processing system from a U.S. company. The new CHARGER™ low-rail gantry contour tape layer, to be installed in Shanghai, will produce wings, horizontal stabilizers and central wing boxes for COMAC's C919 and C929 commercial passenger jets, slated to enter service in 2016. According to Chip Storie, MAG Executive Vice President Aerospace,

"This sale of the first U.S.-made automated tape layer for the Chinese market builds on MAG's successes in China's growing aerospace industry. Shanghai Aircraft already has dozens of MAG machine tools in production in its manufacturing operation. This further solidifies MAG as the premier supplier of advanced manufacturing equipment for commercial aerospace production in China."

Shanghai Aircraft is the major production facility of the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC). This tape layer will be installed in the new COMAC Pudong composite facility.

"The Chinese aerospace industry is booming, and this sale is a breakthrough for U.S. machinery exports in general and MAG in particular," Storie added. "We are highly encouraged about the potential for follow up sales, where our global reach as an integrated supplier of composites and metal cutting solutions offers customers advantages in engineering and local service support through our Shanghai tech center."

MAG's CHARGER tape layer deposits composite tape at industry-leading speeds, while achieving aerospace grade placement accuracies on complex contours. CHARGER Series machines lay 75, 150 or 300 mm (3, 6 or 12 in) carbon/epoxy tape with any orientation and number of plies, over tool surfaces with contours, flats and changing geometries, producing consistent quality, part shape, thickness and strength. MAG-designed controls and software make CHARGER's multi-axis movements easy to program and control. The powerful ACESŪ programming software translates CAD or CATIA tooling and laminate data into multi-axis machine commands. MAG has sold more than 90 seats of this proprietary software throughout the world.

The low-rail gantry platform is designed with high structural stiffness for reliability and fast, accurate lay-up. The next-generation re-engineered contour tape head contributes to higher throughput with faster, simpler side loading of tape rolls up to 300 mm (12 in) wide and 650 mm (25.6 in) diameter. The new head also features integrated ultrasonic laminate cutting, cutter depth-setting assistance and dockable inkjet marking for maximum system flexibility and performance.

MAG composite processing systems are the most widely used equipment throughout the worldwide aerospace industry, with more than 130 systems sold. In addition to the Shanghai Aircraft programs, MAG taper layers and fiber placement systems are used to produce a wide range of components for numerous aircraft programs, including the Airbus A350-XWB and Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
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The Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC) has launched an aircraft finance lease company with Pudong Development Bank and Shanghai International Group.

The new JV has a registered capital of 2.7 billion yuan (US$426 million). Pudong Development Bank is the controlling stakeholder with a 66.67% stake, COMAC holds 22.22% stake and Shanghai International Group holds 11.11% ownership.

Industry analysts say the new venture is expected to pave the way for COMAC to sell its C919 as the Chinese manufacturer explores the fast-growing domestic aircraft leasing market.

The C919 has won some orders from domestic banks' finance lease companies. Last year the Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (ICBC Leasing) placed a firm order for 45 C919s and the Bank of Communications Financial Leasing Co. ordered 30 C919s.
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Chaker A. Chahrour, executive vice president of CFM International, comments on Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China Ltd.'s C919, the nation's first large passenger aircraft program. He spoke in Beijing yesterday.

CFM International, a venture between General Electric Co. and Safran SA, supplies engines for the C919, set for test flights in 2014. COMAC, as the planemaker is known, is also developing the ARJ21, a 90-seat regional jet that has been delayed for about five years.

"ARJ is behind schedule for whatever reason, but I really don't see too many associations between ARJ and the C919 schedule directly. The teams that run ARJ and C919 are totally independent teams. We monitor the C919 program very closely; we haven't seen any indication that there will be delays that's similar to where the ARJ program is. So we have confidence in COMAC. We think they will be on schedule, we ask them about it just about every day."

A call to COMAC's press office in Shanghai seeking comment wasn't answered today.
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Bombardier Inc. plans to help Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China win overseas approval for the in-development C919 plane that's leading the country's challenge to Boeing Co. and Airbus SAS.


The Canadian aircraft maker can help COMAC as it has experience from winning approvals for 26 regional and business aircraft worldwide over 20 years, more than either Boeing or Airbus, Senior Vice President Chet Fuller said in an interview in Beijing yesterday, where he is attending the International Air Transport Association annual meeting.



Bombardier is working with COMAC on new aircraft to help cut development costs and to gain greater access in China as it works on its own CSeries plane. The CSeries, which sits 110 to 145, competes against the smaller versions of Boeing and Airbus narrowbody planes.



"We intend to have much more success in China," Fuller said. Montreal-based Bombardier has sold fewer aircraft in China than Boeing or Airbus, he said. The planemaker said it has sold 75 business jets and 30 commercial aircraft in Greater China.



Bombardier and COMAC said in March that the C919 and CSeries would share a common cockpit, paring research costs and boosting the appeal of the planes as pilots will be able to fly both of them with little extra training. The two have also committed to joint-purchasing of aluminum alloys and Chinese companies will supply parts including the fuselage for the CSeries.



"Bombardier signed its first big cooperation agreement with China five years ago but it hasn't gotten any CSeries orders in return," said Richard Aboulafia, vice president for Teal Group, a Fairfax, Virginia-based aviation forecaster.





Complementary Planes


The C919 sits 168 passengers, compared with about 150 in the Airbus A320 and Boeing 737. It's also larger than the CSeries, which means the two planes don't directly compete, Fuller said.



"The COMAC C919 is a direct competitor with both the Boeing and Airbus single-aisle products and not a competitor with us," Fuller said. "We're more complementary to the C919."


COMAC has said it expects the C919, China's first large passenger jet, to perform its first test flight in 2014 and to enter service in 2017.



Bombardier has no specific dates in mind for when it expects the plane to get Western certification, Fuller said. Certification begins with the development of the plane, however, as every step in designing and building the jet needs a paper trail for the authorities.



Bombardier won its first pledge for a CSeries order, from Deutsche Lufthansa AG, in July 2008. Four years later, it has 138 firm orders from 11 customers. The aircraft is due to enter service late next year.





Magic Number


The planemaker wants to have as many as 30 customers by the time the aircraft starts flying commercially and to boost this to 40 within the following two years, Fuller said.



"Forty's the magic number," he said. "That's when the plane becomes financially liquid, and the whole goal for us is to remove the liquidity premium."


That is, a plane must have a critical mass in the market so that financial backers for airlines or lessors feel confident they can find a market for planes if they need to sell them at some point.



Bombardier is talking to 70 potential airline customers, Fuller said. He declined to comment on whether it expects to capture new business by the Farnborough Air Show in July, an event manufacturers often use to trumpet orders.
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Chinese airframer COMAC will be the biggest threat to Boeing and Airbus and most likely to succeed in developing a program comparable to those offered by the duopoly, says Jim Albaugh, president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

Speaking at the Aviation Club of the UK on Thursday, Albaugh said Boeing and Airbus face competition from Canada, Brazil and China, but that "I don't believe all of them are going to be successful. My guess is one of them will emerge and become a very good competitor for us, and I won't be surprised if it was China."

Albaugh supports his view by noting China's US$5 billion commitment to developing its regional jet, which he says may never be certified, and a further US$30 billion for the C919 narrowbody program. "If that's going to be the airplane or not, I don't know, but eventually, they will get it right," said the Boeing executive.

He suspects COMAC initially will sell aircraft in China and countries with close links to the country, but eventually will have a product that can compete with Airbus and Boeing offerings.

Albaugh, however, is less concerned with competition from Brazil, noting that Embraer has decided to focus on the regional jet market. With Bombardier's CSeries, however, he is less emphatic, noting, "With Bombardier, you have to assume they're going to do what they say they're going to do," he said, adding, "Competition is a great thing. Airbus coming along made Boeing a better company. And COMAC will make both Boeing and Airbus better at what we do."

China's emergence comes as established aerospace markets like the U.S. and the UK reduce their investment in research and development to their lowest levels in decades, says Albaugh, noting that China has tripled its investment in technology and people in the past decade.

"What are you going to do with all these emerging threats? The answer is simple: You have to evolve the airplane and produce more value for the customer. The things that Willie Walsh [CEO of International Airlines Group] and others want is fuel efficiency, environmentally friendly aircraft and low maintenance costs," Albaugh added.

Boeing's product strategy is to evolve the 737 for the third time, says Albaugh, and to continue developing the 787. The airframer also is considering a 757 replacement, but for now the 737 MAX achieves 95% of the missions assigned to the larger narrowbody.

Albaugh also says Boeing is taking a hard look at its 777 program, however, he notes that "the question is when [to redevelop]. We are working with customers to find out what their needs are and getting the configuration right."

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Such a ignorant comment from someone with 5831 posts, wow.
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PS: Relax it was said in a lighter vein.
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It will need to pass FAA and EASA inspections if China wants to be a big player in aviation indistry so its not a huge concern. If they dont pass I wont ride. Simple as that.
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It will need to pass FAA and EASA inspections if China wants to be a big player in aviation indistry so its not a huge concern. If they dont pass I wont ride. Simple as that.
You are absolutely right, the plane will have to pass FAA certification even if they intend to fly outside the US, but I don't think that's gonna be a problem since vast majority of the components are sourced from established western aviation suppliers. The whole plane is designed to be conform with CAAC and FAA regulations, Bombardier recently has also agreed to use a common type air frame for its C-series jet with the C919. The other important fact is that companies such as Rockwell Collins will not be only supplying avionics, but also got the contract to perform system integration of the various systems.
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AD Aerospace signs LOI for COMAC 919 programme

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AD Aerospace, part of AD Group, is very pleased to announce the signing of a Letter of Intent (LOI) with Shanghai Aero Measurement Controlling Research Institute (SAMRI) for the supply of security and safety video camera systems for the COMAC 919 aircraft, (SAMRI is an Enterprise of AVIC - Aviation Industry Corporation of China).


AD Aerospace and SAMRI will partner together to supply the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. (COMAC) with various camera systems including Cockpit Door Surveillance Systems (CDSS) and a range of Video Monitoring Systems (VMS). The VMS options cover a Taxi Aid Monitoring System, a Cargo Monitoring System, a Cabin Monitoring System and an IFE Camera System.


"Video and camera systems are increasingly seen as both an efficient and effective way of improving aircraft safety and security." said Mr Luo Xue Ping, President of SAMRI. "AD Aerospace are acknowledged experts in this field and we are delighted to be working together on this project for the COMAC 919."


"We at AD Aerospace are very excited to be working with SAMRI, and building on our established relationships in China in providing video camera systems for the COMAC C919," said Mike Horne, Managing Director AD Aerospace. "We are honoured to be working on this new aircraft and look forward to a long and successful partnership with SAMRI."


The CDSS will be standard fit to all aircraft and consists of a series of cameras monitoring the cockpit door and adjacent galleys. It improves security around the cockpit door by allowing the pilots to visually verify who is requesting access to the cockpit and to check they are not under duress.


The Taxi Aid Monitoring System which is an option on the C919, is a series of cameras fitted to the outside of the aircraft which enhance the pilots' situational awareness whilst taxiing to help maintain the correct position of the aircraft on the taxi ways.


Other optional systems include a Cargo Monitoring System to allow the progress of loading / unloading to be easily determined and which acts as a deterrent against theft from passenger baggage or cargo, and for passengers the IFE Camera System gives them a birds eye view wherever they are sitting in the aircraft and the Cabin Monitoring System helps flight crew to monitor and control situations as they arise in the passenger cabin.


Press release issued by AD Aerospace Limited on June 8, 2012
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Here's the complete list of suppliers of COMAC C-919 project:

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It will need to pass FAA and EASA inspections if China wants to be a big player in aviation indistry so its not a huge concern. If they dont pass I wont ride. Simple as that.
The European EASA is said to be BASED from the US' FAA standards FYI.
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Boeing Co. is walking a delicate line in China between helping nurture a customer's aerospace capability and preparing for its partner's emergence as a rival, the planemaker's regional chief said.

A strategy of collaborating while girding for competition emerged after senior leaders analyzed jet-development programs worldwide, Boeing China President Marc Allen said yesterday.

China was identified as the most-formidable foe among a group that included Canada, Russia and Japan, he said.

Boeing's China ventures have helped build what Allen said is a 53 percent share of the local aviation market, the second-biggest worldwide for new planes behind the U.S.

The Asian country is nearing the planned 2016 debut of the C919, its first narrow-body jet, which will compete with Boeing's 737 in the biggest segment of the global aircraft market.

"A new competitor in the form of the C919 is OK - it's actually a good thing, as it will lead us all to run faster and sharpen ourselves," Allen said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Beijing. "But we also want to be a collaborator, so we have to balance the two."

Boeing, based in Chicago, is the largest buyer of airplane components and parts in China, he said, with 35 direct suppliers and hundreds of secondary vendors. He declined to give a figure for value of parts purchased.

The company's China investments include a manufacturing innovation center opening next year with Aviation Industry Corp. of China, the nation's biggest aerospace company. It plans a joint research center in Beijing to study ways to pare fuel use and emissions, and has spent US$21 million to expand a composites production center in Tianjin.



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The 168-seat C919, being developed by AVIC-backed Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China, is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2014 and enter commercial service in 2016.

Meeting the targets would be a step that has eluded Boeing and Airbus SAS in recent years, with the former's 787 Dreamliner and the latter's A350 both suffering delays.

One way for Boeing to avoid the danger of giving away too much intellectual property to a nascent competitor is joint development of new products with a Chinese partner rather than using technology the company has honed on its own, Allen said.

"We come in the spirit of co-creation," he said.

"If we're going to do things that involve new IP, we'll do them with our partners so it's shared IP and something we've already made a decision on," he said. "In that sense we don't feel that there's a risk of bringing something into the marketplace that we're going to lose."

Allen said Boeing has no plans to open an assembly line in China, as Airbus did in 2008 with a mandate to piece together 284 single-aisle planes by mid-2016 for the Chinese market.

McDonnell Douglas, which was purchased by Boeing in 1997, opened an assembly line for its MD80 in China in the early 1990s. That venture was shut down after fewer than 40 planes were built.

"We want to always be ahead of the curve," Allen said. "Being here with the production facilities we have and the suppliers we have positions us ahead of the curve in what is one of the fastest capability-growth markets in the world."

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Design of C919's engine completed
Updated: 2012-06-13 16:27 By Wang Wen ( chinadaily.com.cn)

The design stage of the engine for the C919 - China's first locally produced commercial aircraft - has been completed and the engine will start to be produced soon, the engine's manufacturer said on on Tuesday.

The Leap 1C engine, manufactured by CFM International, will be the initial engine of the airplane, which is expected to have its debut flight in June 2014, said Chaker Chahrour, executive vice-president of CFM, a joint venture between General Electric and Snecma.

Meanwhile, AVIC Commercial Aircraft Engine Co Ltd is also working on an engine for the C919. At a later stage buyers of the airplane will be able to choose which engine they want installed on the planes.

Chahrour said that CFM does not worry about the competition from other manufacturers.

CFM already has about 3,600 orders for its engine now, including 470 orders from China.

The company will also supply different models of the Leap engine to the new single-aisle aircrafts of Airbus SAS and Boeing Co.

"The three models of the Leap engine are basically similar," said Chahrour.

In order to meet consumer demand, CFM will continue to improve its production rate, which will be about 1,500 engines this year.

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