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Old May 22nd, 2010, 08:47 PM   #41
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Theres nothing wrong with the roads IMO, its the lack of routes.
There is no lack of routes either. There was a rule of thumb years ago that no home would be more than 500m from a bus stop.

The core problem with Canberra's buses is simple. We don't have enough people (or more to the point population density) to justify shorter direct routes. So buses must meander through the suburbs to pick them up then drop them off in the town centre. From there they have access to the very good intertown system.

We simply cannot have buses in the suburbs running to anywhere but the local interchange. So all trips beyond the first interchange will be slow. Not much that can be done but to start the city from scratch.
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Canberra has a higher median population density than Perth, stop using that excuse. Poorly laid out streets and suburbs resulting in slow and indirect bus routes plagues even the newest parts Canberra.

And why does my bus have a different route number on weekends even though it's the exact same route?
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 12:52 PM   #43
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Canberra has a higher median population density than Perth, stop using that excuse. Poorly laid out streets and suburbs resulting in slow and indirect bus routes plagues even the newest parts Canberra.

And why does my bus have a different route number on weekends even though it's the exact same route?
I don't give a rats arse about Perth, different city different issues. The core problem in Canberra is population density and how our suburbs were built using a hierarchical system designed in the 60's. The latter limits the options for providing fast direct services between suburbs and other town centres.

Our bus routes are indirect because they have to drive through the streets to pick enough people up to justify the service. My local bus for example has to go through 4 different suburbs to pick up enough people to make the service viable. If the population density was higher then it could be cut short and extra services added to serve the other suburbs.
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I suppose there are suburbs in Canberra which have a population of no more than 4000 people. Out of those 4000 people I wonder how many take the bus.
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Old May 23rd, 2010, 06:32 PM   #45
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I suppose there are suburbs in Canberra which have a population of no more than 4000 people. Out of those 4000 people I wonder how many take the bus.
That's like, half or most of the suburbs except when you're in the Tuggeranong Valley where there are big ones. Most of the Woden Valley ones are < 4000.

O'Malley has 680 people (just checked) and it has a bus, is it still the 23/24? I totz bet all the people from those big houses that are rented out for use as embassies use the bus.
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Old May 24th, 2010, 01:51 AM   #46
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O'Malley has 680 people (just checked) and it has a bus, is it still the 23/24? I totz bet all the people from those big houses that are rented out for use as embassies use the bus.
Lol just like the early morning 386s from BJ to Vaucluse are full of maids and housekeepers
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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:34 AM   #47
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The worst thing is few if any of the drivers give a toss about running 5 minutes or more early.

And why oh why do the rear doors not open 90% of the time?
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And why oh why do the rear doors not open 90% of the time?
There's actually a sign saying "rear doors only open at bus interchanges"... not sure why
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There's actually a sign saying "rear doors only open at bus interchanges"... not sure why
Because it is dangerous to open them in the suburbs. Just ask the union! Just like how it was dangerous to have articulated buses with 3 doors, and to operate said buses in the suburbs.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 01:26 AM   #50
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The union? Thanks, I've always wondered. It's a wonder I wasn't killed using any other bus in any other city.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #51
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Because it is dangerous to open them in the suburbs. Just ask the union! Just like how it was dangerous to have articulated buses with 3 doors, and to operate said buses in the suburbs.
That seems so pointless. All doors open on articulated buses in Brisbane in the suburbs...
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Old May 25th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #52
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That seems so pointless. All doors open on articulated buses in Brisbane in the suburbs...
All the doors on all buses open, but only at interchanges. The issue with the articulated buses was when the first Renault/Mack articulated bus was introduced they had 3 doors. The middle door sent the union into a spin because they claimed they couldn't monitor both sets of rear doors and they were never used in service. Then a few years later all 26 of the buses that had the 3rd door had them removed. The 2nd batch of articulated Renault/Macks only came with 2 doors. These are the ones with the individual style seating.
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Sounds like an argument to remove the unions to me.
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Canbra's useless bus system must be so crucial if they can randomly decide to cancel a whole day's services for <insert excuse>. Where was the chaos? There wasn't any!

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Old June 27th, 2010, 03:28 PM   #55
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Haha yes I noticed that:

Friday Morning:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news...s/1868399.aspx
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ACTION strike to ignite traffic chaos
BY NOEL TOWELL
25 Jun, 2010 08:30 AM
Canberra is bracing for traffic chaos this morning with no ACTION bus services running in the city all day.

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The industrial action will leave about 70,000 workers, school children and students seeking alternative transport and ACTION management has warned of a vast increase in the number of cars on the city's roads this morning.
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Canberra's unhappy bus drivers threaten more strike action
BY NOEL TOWELL
26 Jun, 2010 12:00 AM
A winter of discontent looms for Canberra' bus commuters with ACTION drivers vowing to continue the industrial campaign which saw services cancelled yesterday.

The strike action left 70,000 workers, schoolchildren and other travellers looking for alternative transport yesterday.

But there was no sign of the feared traffic chaos around town centres and Civic with most commuters taking the public transport disruption in their stride.

An Education Department spokesman said there was no major disruption to school attendances.
70,000 = 20% of Canberra. Bullshit.
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Canbra's useless bus system must be so crucial if they can randomly decide to cancel a whole day's services for <insert excuse>. Where was the chaos? There wasn't any!

http://www.action.act.gov.au/industrialaction.html
You've hit the nail on the head. Wonder if it'll stir up any of the union lackeys?
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The traffic congestion was better when they striked... What pisses me off is that they want more money the selfish, useless bastards. They earn a lot already and have a piss easy job.
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Canbra's useless bus system must be so crucial if they can randomly decide to cancel a whole day's services for <insert excuse>. Where was the chaos? There wasn't any!

http://www.action.act.gov.au/industrialaction.html
Why would there be chaos during any well-publicised bus strike?
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Why would there be chaos during any well-publicised bus strike?
Because most cities are less car focused and less car dependant than Canberra.
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Why would there be chaos during any well-publicised bus strike?
If they announced in Sydney a week earlier "All bus services in Greater Sydney will not run next Friday. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.", don't you think it wouldn't be just a normal working day ala last Fri in Cabra?
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