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Old August 10th, 2012, 01:53 AM   #61
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I disagree. People are only now realising that the introduction of the carbon tax is the same as the GST... ie no real change.
Not everyone would agree with that. A story in today's Courier Mail shows that Churchie are facing a $70,000 hike in electricity costs – even for a private school, that's a hard pill to swallow. And I really feel for the independent supermarkets, it already looks like it's going to hit a lot of them hard during a time that many of them are already doing it tough.

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by: Michael Madigan From: The Courier-Mail August 10, 2012 12:00AM 32 comments

THE carbon tax has begun hitting Queensland small businesses, including a Brisbane private school which faces a $70,000-a-year hike in its electricity bill.

Six weeks into the carbon tax regime, price hikes are starting to hit hip pockets as power bills drop into letterboxes.

Queensland Chamber of Commerce and Industry president David Goodwin said the "weird distortions'' were becoming apparent.

"We are finding that ordinary supermarkets like the local IGA may be up for up to $15,000 on the carbon tax alone if they have to re-gas their giant refrigeration system,'' Mr Goodwin said. "Somehow these guys are going to have find ways to cover these extra costs.''

The Anglican Church Grammar School (Churchie) faces a 30 per cent increase in electricity for the month of July, well above the 9 per cent increase predicted by the Federal Government.

Headmaster Jonathan Hensman said Churchie had struggled to become energy-efficient, employing everything from external louvres to power factor connection mechanisms to stop power leakage. Now he estimates the school will have to find an extra $1400 a week to meet the cost of the carbon tax.

"Given what we have done it's a bit disappointing,'' he said.

He said that in the post-GST environment, passing on the cost to parents through higher fees was not an option.

Electricity broker Peter Phillips said several schools were reeling from the steep increases.

A spokesman for federal Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said the average rise would be 9 per cent, and consumers had been compensated for businesses that passed on the cost of steeper rises.

The carbon tax component for Churchie for the month of July is $5600 - about 15 per cent of the entire bill of $38,000.

The school negotiated low-cost power through Mr Phillips, but now estimates it will have to find about $70,000 a year extra to cover the tax.

Mr Phillips, owner of Mantel Solutions, said many high-end users used brokers to secure cheap electricity discounts of up to 50 per cent over the average householder. But brokers could not secure concessions to the carbon tax.

The Federal Government predicted businesses may face steeper hikes and had compensated households, the spokesman said.

"That is why we are providing households with tax cuts, higher family payments and pension increases to meet the increase in the cost of living, which Treasury estimates will be an increase in the CPI of 0.7 per cent,'' he said.

"Businesses concerned that they are being charged too much for electricity should consider shopping around for a better deal.''

Queensland Energy Minister Mark McArdle seized on the bill as an transparent example of how the carbon tax impacted commercial electricity bills.

"For most domestic customers the price of the carbon tax is hidden in the total cost of the electricity tariff,'' Mr McArdle said. "In the case of market contracts, such as this, each of the components that make up a bill is clearly identified.

"It shows that off-peak energy is attracting an 80 per cent increase directly related to the carbon tax.''
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And what price is that per fee paying student?

Also remember, the reason it is a higher percentage is because their electricity is charged at a far lower rate than your household bill. How about they get some solar hot water and solar panels and improve their energy efficiency further?
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Old August 10th, 2012, 02:17 AM   #63
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I disagree. People are only now realising that the introduction of the carbon tax is the same as the GST... ie no real change.
WTF?? It's been in place for all of a month now....how could anyone possibly assess the impact it has had at this stage? Plus the concept of it in general is ridiculous, unlike the GST which was at least straight up about being extra revenue for the govt.

Carbon Tax for a better environment? lolz!!!
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To think we haven't even had a full quarter period of the tax yet, and I know my meter wasn't read on June 30, be interesting to see how they break up that component as my house bill should be through later this month.

But the increases on refrigerants, fire retardants, and especially gases used in high voltage switchgear are enormous. BCC buses are fully air conditioned now, so I expect having those systems regased will be put on the not so urgent list now.

I want the Carbon tax portion listed on my bills, just like the GST is.
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Old August 10th, 2012, 02:54 AM   #65
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And what price is that per fee paying student?

Also remember, the reason it is a higher percentage is because their electricity is charged at a far lower rate than your household bill. How about they get some solar hot water and solar panels and improve their energy efficiency further?
From the sounds of the article, it sounds like they have put in a lot of effort and money into increasing the energy efficiency.

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Considering that a large portion of the school is made up of buildings that would be approaching 70 years old at least, there are probably physical limitation to the types of energy efficiency retrofitting that they can undertake, let alone what is financially viable.

As for the cost per student, there are 1800 students at Churchie. If the monthly carbon tax component is $5600, that's an extra $38 per student per year just to cover a tax. And as said in the article, the school is extremely reluctant to have to pass that cost onto parents in the current economic climate.
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Old August 10th, 2012, 03:10 AM   #66
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Hospitals are being hit hard as well. Between $1000 and $2000 per bed each year. The hospital I work at is facing an extra million dollars this year for electricity.
And remember that this tax is to increase each year as well so this is the carbon tax at its cheapest. It will be worse next year and the year after unless it can be thrown out.
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So what you are saying is that in the future, they will be able to reduce their costs by purchasing energy from low carbon sources. The entire intent of the Carbon Price.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 02:30 AM   #68
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Thank you Campbell for moving Labour Day to October and putting Queen's Birthday weekend back in its original place, public holidays no a bit more spread out during the year plus many league fans will like the idea of having that day to recover from a hangover after the grand final
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Old August 21st, 2012, 02:49 AM   #69
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It makes sense to move Labour Day rather than Queens Birthday. Public holiday in Easter (sometimes April), then ANZAC Day (April 25) and then Labour Day (a week or so later!!).. pretty stupid arrangement we had if you ask me.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 06:23 AM   #70
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I didn't actually know the other states have moved it to this day aswell, so indeed makes sense. I love the comments over at CM. But it keeps the traditional sports carnival weekend in June - well, the ones I go to anyway. And a day off after footy finals weekend without chucking a sickie, win win.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 09:32 AM   #71
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yeah comments from those that don't like change, Qld has to be different and we aint sheep etc etc etc... More $$$ for pubs and clubs as many will go out for the footy final on the sunday evening knowing they don't have to work next day
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Old August 25th, 2012, 04:16 AM   #72
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Honestly what planet is Newman living on? He has completely lost the plot!

Premier accused Labor MP of being a 'grub' and a 'thug' during Parliament
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QUEENSLAND's Premier has been accused of lowering parliamentary standards after calling Labor MP Curtis Pitt "a thug" and "a grub" and telling him to "get a real job" during debate on changes to the Public Service Act.

In an extraordinary series of interjections, Campbell Newman repeatedly heckled Mr Pitt who was speaking against the government's eleventh hour amendments to the Act to strip job security from public servant agreements.

"Good one you thug", Mr Newman interjected at one point, shortly followed by "good on you grub".

When he was asked to withdraw the "grub" comment, Mr Newman initially refused before the Deputy Speaker suggested it was "unparliamentary" and he should take the comment back.

Mr Pitt said Mr Newman's behaviour on the floor of Parliament had deteriorated since television cameras were banned by Speaker Fiona Simpson last month.

"He might be the Premier of Queensland but he's no statesman," said Mr Pitt.

"I don't think many Queenslanders would be impressed seeing the behaviour of the Premier in the people's house."

He conceded it was a "passionate debate" about the amendments which give the government new powers to change work agreements at the stroke of a pen, but the Premier took matters too far.

"Everyone in that chamber was passionate about the legislation but I think the Premier needs to rise above and display impeccable behaviour," said Mr Pitt, the Leader of Opposition business in the house.

"The Premier hasn't done any form of apprenticeship in the parliament and many of the ways that we interact including the absolute respect for the Chair, is perhaps something he's still to learn."

The Premier's suggestion he "get a real job" was further evidence of the "low regard in which the public sector was held by the LNP," said Mr Pitt.

"You only have to look at what the Treasurer said recently about the "only real job is in the private sector"," he said.

"They do seem to have a disdain for anyone in the broader Labour movement and they also have a disdain for government workers."

But a spokeswoman for the Premier said Mr Pitt's bleatings were the height of hypocrisy given he was a key member of a Labor Government that spent virtually every Parliamentary sitting day for a year launching vicious, personal attacks against Mr Newman's wife and her family.

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Fancy telling the opposition to "get a real job" when they have the same job as you

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Mr PITT: It is Work Choices on steroids.

Mr Newman: Get a real job!

Mr PITT: This is something that those opposite have decided to sneak in-the typical way for this government, consulting with nobody, coming in here at the eleventh hour and just throwing this on the table without even caring what those ramifications are going to be for Queenslanders. The Attorney-General has a lot-Mr Newman: Speak up and get a real job!

Mr PITT: The Premier might wish to go to his seat.

A government member: He's never had a real job!

Mr Newman: Speak up and get a real job!

Mr PITT: The Premier might wish to go to his seat.

Honourable members interjected.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! I just remind members that if you need to interject please do so from your own seat.

Mr Newman: The Premier can interject from any cabinet seat. That's the ruling of the Clerk.

Mr PITT: The Premier keeps harping on, and that is fine. If the Premier wishes to keep going, the

Premier can keep going. He might be the Premier of this state, but he is no statesman.

Honourable members interjected.

Mr Newman: Good one! Good one, you thug!

Honourable members interjected.

Mrs CUNNINGHAM: Mr Deputy Speaker-

Mr Newman: Good one, you thug!

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: I call the member for Gladstone.

Mr Newman: Did you support the campaign? Yeah, good on you, grub!

Mrs CUNNINGHAM: Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I just seek a clarification from the Attorney-General.

Mr PITT: I rise to a point of order. I find the words the Premier has just said offensive and I ask that they be withdrawn.

Mr Newman: You weren't speaking.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Premier has been asked to withdraw

Mr Newman: He wasn't speaking.

Mr Stevens: He was interjecting.

Mr PITT: He called me a 'grub'.

Mr Newman interjected.

Mr Stevens: You weren't speaking.

Mr Newman: You weren't speaking.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: The term I heard was 'grub' as an interjection.

Mr PITT: From the Premier.

Ms Palaszczuk: Ask him to withdraw it. It's unparliamentary.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: It probably would help the House if the Premier-

Mr Newman: No.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER:-would-

Mr Newman: No.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER:-withdraw.

Mr Newman: No.

Mr PITT: That is a reflection on the chair, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Ms Palaszczuk: You have to withdraw.

Mr STEVENS: I rise to a point of order. There was no direction at all.

Ms Trad: No, there was.

Mr Pitt: He said no.

Mr Mulherin: The chair asked and he said no.

Honourable members interjected.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! The term could be considered as potentially unparliamentary language and I just wonder whether the Premier might withdraw that.

Mr NEWMAN: Mr Deputy Speaker, then I will withdraw.

Mr DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you, Premier.
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Developer blacklists state under Newman
September 24, 2012 - 6:45PM


An international developer has blacklisted Queensland, saying Premier Campbell Newman can't be trusted with its money.

Singapore-based company Sembawang has cited the Newman government's job cuts in the public sector as part of the reason it won't consider any future investment in the state.

At the weekend, the company abandoned a proposed $5 billion tourism development on the Gold Coast following a dispute over its plans to include a second casino for the glitter strip.

Sembawang CEO Ric Grosvenor today accused Mr Newman of trying to protect Echo Entertainment, which operates Jupiters Casino on the Gold Coast and Brisbane's Treasury Casino.


Mr Grosvenor said Mr Newman had been unwilling to meet with him over Sembawang's casino plan, intended to sit alongside a 1500-room hotel and two cruise ship terminals in the Southport Broadwater.

The Queensland premier did not appear to be interested in growing the state, Mr Grosvenor said.

He cited Mr Newman's job cuts as a deal breaker for any future investment by Sembawang in Queensland, including in the mining industry.

"I saw a television clip of the now premier before he was elected promising not to make false redundancies of public servants and then I look at his actions," he said.

"A leader's job is not to impose austerity, and what I have seen in Queensland is just outrageous.

"What a business does is base everything on confidence. Confidence is founded on trust, and I have formed the view I would not deal with Sembawang's money in Queensland."

Mr Grosvenor said his company had wanted to invest in coal infrastructure in Queensland but there was no way that would be happening now.

"Now that I have investigated the character we are dealing with (the premier) there is no chance Sembawang will put money into Queensland," he said.

Mr Newman said when he first saw the Sembawang plans he thought they looked exciting and he still thought they looked exciting.

However, he said just because a developer came up to him with a proposal to use public land it did not mean he would simply say yes.

A tender process would be followed, Mr Newman said.

“We’re going to do things properly,” he told reporters in Brisbane today.

Mr Newman said if the government was going to issue another casino licence this would go to tender.

He rejected as “untrue” claims that he was protecting Echo Entertainment, saying he had publicly supported new development on the Gold Coast and had given in-principle support to a new casino.

Mr Grosvenor said Sembawang had made it clear that the inclusion of a casino was essential for the viability of its Gold Coast proposal.

But he said Gold Coast mayor Tom Tate, who was initially warm about the casino plan, had since told him that component was "unnecessary".

Mr Grosvenor said he believed that message had come from the premier, who had the power to decide who would get a casino licence.

Mr Tate said his council was considering another casino at a different Gold Coast site, possibly as part of a cultural precinct at Surfers Paradise.

And last week, Mr Newman said his government would consider a casino as part of the redevelopment of the Executive Building site on George Street in Brisbane.

In a brief statement, a spokeswoman for the premier said: "The Sembawang proposal, which includes a casino, would be absolutely welcome as a part of that process if the developer chooses to put it forward again."

But Mr Grosvenor said that would not be happening.

"The idea is to stop any competition for Jupiters which is part of the Echo Entertainment stable," he said.

"It would be decimated by the casino we proposed and you only have to follow the money and look at who is trying to take control of Echo to see why the Executive Building project will come for free with the movement of the Treasury licence."
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Old September 25th, 2012, 03:52 AM   #74
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So are they not going to invest in Australia at all because Gillard said she wouldn't have a carbon tax and then does?

A decision based on a television clip, sorry but this ain't the whole truth.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 05:04 AM   #75
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Agreed! Following this Sembawang saga in the GC thread, I honestly think there's a lot more to the story than this. Personally, it seems to be more about Sembawang having a dummyspit about not getting their way (ie. the govt putting the cruise ship terminal out to tender).
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Yeah, politcial points scoring in my opinion. The mining guys have pulled out of allot more than $5bn combined worth of projects and they're not pointing the finger at a TV clip.
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So the LNP have had 3 MPs quit this week... lol!
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If all the independents joined the Katter party they would become the official opposition and the ALP would lose the benefits associated with that.
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If all the independents joined the Katter party they would become the official opposition and the ALP would lose the benefits associated with that.
Don't be silly...our illustrious attorney general changes all laws he doesn't like pronto and Labor aren't going to disagree:

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