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Old March 13th, 2016, 01:12 PM   #1
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Parramatta, founded in the same year as Sydney by the British in 1788, is the oldest inland European settlement in Australia.

The Darug people who lived in the area before European settlement regarded the area as rich in food from the river and forests. They called the area Baramada or Burramatta ('Parramatta') which means "head of waters", "the place where the eels lie down",or "eel waters".

Dam across the Parramatta River at Marsden Street, Old Government Hose in the background, around 1870 / H. W. Burgin


Sketch of the Parramatta River in the 1880s showing the Kings School and the baths


Parramatta Post Office 1911, building still stands today.


http://arc.parracity.nsw.gov.au/wp-c...9/LSP00882.jpg

http://www.baseline.nsw.gov.au/herit...opertyName%3D*

http://collection.hht.net.au/firsthh...st&recno=37835

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parramatta
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George st 1890s (looks like Dodge city) and now





1939 and now




town hall 1809's and now


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Centenary Sq looking down Church St



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Parramatta City Council Building 16.3.2016 2 by Parracity, on Flickr
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Old March 17th, 2016, 08:25 AM   #6
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Parramatta City 1980s 1 by Parracity, on Flickr


Got Heaps Of Old Parramatta Pics, when I have time I will post them.Cheers
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Who could forget Michael Jackson's 1987 performance at Parramatta Stadium during his Bad world tour.

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Old March 18th, 2016, 10:26 AM   #8
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From the other thread where we were discussing vantage points in Nth Parra.

Taken from Gloucester Street - probably the best we're going to get on foot

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Should we promote and/or name Harris Park as Little India

Sydney CBD's got Chinatown what about an India town in parramatta?
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Old March 31st, 2016, 03:08 PM   #10
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Definitely - Parramatta has Parramasala in the same way Sydney's China Town does CNY. Considering most of Sydney's indian population is out west it makes sense to provide an epicentre for cultural events.
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This old image is of the south side of George Street Parramatta, in about 1875.




Parramatta Council Facebook page.
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Whether we refer to it as 'Little India' or not, it is a categorically Indian suburb like no other.

As of the 2011 census, 40% of Harris Park residents were born in India.

The top three languages spoken other than English were Gujarati, Hindi and Punjabi (respectively).

I do think there are commercial benefits to marketing HP as Sydney's Little India and I'm genuinely surprised that the average joe Sydneysiders I meet have no idea what HP offers culturally.

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http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/cen...ent&navpos=220
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Old April 1st, 2016, 02:24 AM   #13
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10-15 years ago there were not many Indians in Harris Park. They came over the years and have helped transformed the suburb into a potentially massive tourist drawcard. I think it is lovely. The council is finishing off another stage of upgrades to Wigram St by putting paving on both sides of the street. It is busy every night of the week and I love it. It reminds me a little of Lygon Street in Melbourne (only Indian) more that little China in Sydney.

There is a mix of different cultures in the area. There is the Lebanese sweet shop and a Greek restaurant there. The only Italian restaurant (Peronis) had to close down due to family reasons and that is now an Indian restaurant too. Harris Park used to have a lot of Greeks in the area but they are mostly an older generation now (I am from Greek background myself).

There is still massive room for improvement. The TAB, the drug counselling building and brothel ideally need to go to be frank. I have no problems with the services they offer in principal but the building is dilapidated so at least make it presentable. The drug services building attracts junkies who stand out like a sore thumb and have been known to cause problems. I think those sorts of services should be offered through a more appropriate location such as Westmead hospital but thats just me. The old Bus service center is FINALLY boarded up for demolition so that should improve given enough time. It has been like that for far too long.

On a related note I am aware that the Spice of Life restaurant on the edge of the 'conservation zone' has put a DA to be demolished and replaced with a short and fat apartment building. I am personally opposed to that DA. I think the council got it right by marking that part of Harris Park as zoned for conservation. There should be a sharp and clear distinction between the CBD of Parramatta and the protected zone of Harris Park. I would prefer Wigram St in particular to be commercial to promote the dining and entertainment scene. If you just lose it to 7 story apartments we will all be worse for it in my opinion. Even if a new restaurant is located within the new building it won't quite be the same as an 1800s heritage building if you are trying to attract tourists. If they absolutely have to put apartments there I would prefer a 50 story slender building rather than the ugly stump of a building that has been proposed.

Things are on the right track for Harris Park. Two single story houses sold in the area recently for 1.2M and 1.4M respectively. It is no longer just a suburb that is 'close to station and Parramatta'. It is becoming desirable in its own right.
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Vision | What does Parramatta need to be considered a true city centre?

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i believe these are the few things parramatta needs
1) observation deck 200m high at least
2) tourist attractions such as a large statue or important building like the opera house
3) entertainment precinct (north parramatta or the car valley on the westside maybe), karaoke, bowling/laser tag,
4) clubs that operate till 3am, it needs a nightlife
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Improved shopping with international retailers (coming)
Decent bars (no sign of this)
3+ buildings over 200m (coming)
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Lots of people living and working in the CBD, a genuine commitment to building Parramatta into a place people want to be and combine with high quality planning/design. Get these things happening and the rest will come IMO.
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They're pretty unimaginative ideas. It sounds like you just want another Sydney CBD.

Parramatta has to be unique and original. Parramatta will run it's course and eventually turn out into it's own great urban centre.
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Can they please get rid of Alfred park. Prime real estate wasted on being a thoroughfare

Could easily be the site of something magnificent
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They're pretty unimaginative ideas. It sounds like you just want another Sydney CBD.

Parramatta has to be unique and original. Parramatta will run it's course and eventually turn out into it's own great urban centre.


For Parramatta to become a true city centre, it needs everything that all other city centres have.

It needs jobs, office towers, eat street (more than what Church St currently offers), performing arts centre (tick but could do more), maybe a movie theatre, shopping centre (tick).

Most of these things are already happening, but the thing that is lacking the most is a plethora of PT options.

It is currently serviced by 2 train lines, and proposed light rail is great but it needs multiple lines to converge into Parramatta like the CBD, so anyone living anywhere in Sydney can jump on a train to Parramatta whether it's for work, play or otherwise.

It's lack of efficient PT options that holds it back and this is unlikely to change in a significant way. Parramatta as a 2nd CBD is happening but won't match the CBD by any stretch of imagination.
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