#NB | UC | New Museum for Western Australia - Page 6

Matt B · January 23rd, 2018, 12:38 PM

there is literally no money.

c_avdas · January 23rd, 2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by olio gris

failure to do anything about the completely foreseeable overpopulation of certain public schools

also worth mentioning that barnett was the education minister when the school closures happened that led to those schools getting overpopulated

kujay · January 23rd, 2018, 03:30 PM

God it's depressing.
I'm in midst of night shifts. After re-reading the stadium bridge strip back, I think I woke up at 2 pm today in the midst of a terrible nightmare about the museum also being Perthed. We really have a lot riding on this.

nazor · January 23rd, 2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt B

there is literally no money.

Then why are we building a half billion dollar museum?

HighgateJohnny · January 23rd, 2018, 04:23 PM

Has anyone seen amendments to the contract or has Trump taken over this thread? The cost is still $428m, no changes have been announced.

Video interview https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/...0494734629344/

Despite describing the state’s finances at "disastrous", Mr McGowan defended the almost half-a-billion-dollar spend.

“We’re getting value for money out of this project, it’s $428 million but for that we’re going to get a world-class museum,” Mr McGowan said.

“The museum was actually committed to by Alan Carpenter back in 2008 as a Labor government project back then it’s obviously been refined over that period and we’ve done some further refinement and examination of the project in our time in government.”

The government expects 800,000 people to visit within 12 months of opening in 2020, adding an estimated $31 million in tourism to the state’s economy.

https://blog.plantminer.com.au/new-m...museum-project

An agreement for Stage Two of Western Australia’s $428 million new museum has been signed by the State and the project’s managing contractor, Multiplex, bringing the project another step closer to completion.

“The new museum is on track to be one of the most exciting and innovative museums in the country. It will be a superb addition to WA’s tourism infrastructure.

“The State Government has committed close to $430 million for this project, which will create more than 3,000 jobs over the life of the project,” Premier Mark McGowan said.

WA’s new museum will feature:

Seven major galleries that will share the stories of Western Australia, its people, its places and its relationship with the wider world
A 1,000-SQM temporary exhibition gallery for home-grown and touring exhibitions
Learning studios and programmable space for visitors and groups of all ages, including schools
Retail, café and commercial spaces
Activated public spaces both inside and outside the museum
A spectacular display of the State’s famous blue whale skeleton

Once operational, the new museum is expected to attract approximately 800,000 visitors during its first year as well as contribute up to $31 million of extra tourism spend made from international visitors who are staying an extra night the region.

Matt B · January 23rd, 2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nazor

Then why are we building a half billion dollar museum?

That's a good question! It is one of the reasons that there is no money. We're getting one for the same reason that we got a new stadium. We thought the good times would never end and we live beyond our means.

c_avdas · January 23rd, 2018, 05:08 PM

I've been living beyond my means for a solid 15 years without any major dramas, why should the state be any different? I bet WA has a heaps better credit rating than I do

olio gris · January 24th, 2018, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nazor

I don't think anyone is romanticising the Barnett government (especially the second term). We're talking about the current government, that is currently in charge making decisions.

The present ... not the past.

‘The bigger picture’ was a Barnett government slogan relating to EQ, PCL, the Museum, and, laughably, at one point, MAX.

And ultimately the current government’s financial situation is dictated by the financial bungling of the last one, and its ability to spend is constrained thanks to 30 years of Liberal tubthumping about the evils of government debt.

nazor · January 24th, 2018, 04:57 AM

EQ, PCL, the stadium were all originally Labor projects continued on by the Barnett government (obviously changed to match their agenda).

The governments ability to spend is constrained by its own decision making. They refuse to sell assets and pay down debt and fund infrastructure moving forward. Blaming the past wont work. It's never worked for any government.

HighgateJohnny · January 24th, 2018, 06:06 AM

The former Liberal government had a poor track record with its asset sale program. The only big-ticket sale over the past few years has been the $135.5 million Perth Market Authority, which manages a central wholesale trading and distribution hub for fruit and vegetables. A proposed sale of Fremantle Ports was blocked by the WA Nationals.

AFR 28 August 2017. “After many false starts, the Western Australian government is pushing ahead with the sale of its TAB online and retail outlet wagering services businesses, which could nab the state as much as $500 million.”

Now the McGowan Government is considering selling Landgate to the private sector.
Sales of other titles registries have yielded eye-watering figures — $2.6 billion in NSW and $1.6 billion in South Australia — so it may even be the least-worst option to help repair the WA Budget.

But again there is opposition from the right
https://thewest.com.au/opinion/nick-...-ng-b88701339z

It could increase the revenue it gets from the gold industry but it tried that.

magmamo · January 24th, 2018, 03:05 PM

western power will probably get sold the way things are going

Citystyle · January 26th, 2018, 03:20 AM

I'm not sure why. It's a largely worthless asset (from a private enterprise perspective) and subsequently any sale would come with the sorts of conditions that would hurt the budget and consumers going forward.

enarc · January 27th, 2018, 05:12 AM

jackso · January 27th, 2018, 06:34 AM

Would be a good time to start thinking about the next stage of the Museum St project which involved completely pedestrianising it.

Urbicus · January 27th, 2018, 08:44 AM

So long as they don't let the people responsible for its current state anywhere near it.

eugenius · January 28th, 2018, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jackso

Would be a good time to start thinking about the next stage of the Museum St project which involved completely pedestrianising it.

That would need to go hand in hand with a redevelopment of the old barracks site (which has huge potential with historic integration) - but I can’t see that happening until after the museum is complete.

HighgateJohnny · January 28th, 2018, 12:00 PM

today

tbor · January 30th, 2018, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbicus

So long as they don't let the people responsible for its current state anywhere near it.

Amen, it's nasty. The street furniture for instance... the seats are impossible to sit in. Who the f signed that one off??

2nd gen 7 · January 31st, 2018, 07:22 AM

Just to clarify.

$400M from the New Museum Project was actually the money saved from the FAL rail project. Sallini NRW were apparently $400m under the next lowest bidder (who was on the cost estimate) so the state had $400m spare. It was going to be used as contingency money for MRWA. But the state shuffled it over and Now the Museum is up and running.

Which is unfortunate as I believe the first variation for the FAL tunnel project was issued 1 hour after the award

desperaterobots · January 31st, 2018, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tbor

Amen, it's nasty. The street furniture for instance... the seats are impossible to sit in. Who the f signed that one off??

ugh i have NO IDEA how the suppliers/contractors who installed/shit engineer who designed their implementation wasn't taken to task and the work FIXED.

so infuriating, and such a waste of everyones time and money.

January 23rd, 2018, 04:23 PM	#105
HighgateJohnny Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Highgate 6003 Posts: 2,885 Likes (Received): 3036	Has anyone seen amendments to the contract or has Trump taken over this thread? The cost is still $428m, no changes have been announced. Video interview https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/...0494734629344/ Despite describing the state’s finances at "disastrous", Mr McGowan defended the almost half-a-billion-dollar spend. “We’re getting value for money out of this project, it’s $428 million but for that we’re going to get a world-class museum,” Mr McGowan said. “The museum was actually committed to by Alan Carpenter back in 2008 as a Labor government project back then it’s obviously been refined over that period and we’ve done some further refinement and examination of the project in our time in government.” The government expects 800,000 people to visit within 12 months of opening in 2020, adding an estimated $31 million in tourism to the state’s economy. https://blog.plantminer.com.au/new-m...museum-project An agreement for Stage Two of Western Australia’s $428 million new museum has been signed by the State and the project’s managing contractor, Multiplex, bringing the project another step closer to completion. “The new museum is on track to be one of the most exciting and innovative museums in the country. It will be a superb addition to WA’s tourism infrastructure. “The State Government has committed close to $430 million for this project, which will create more than 3,000 jobs over the life of the project,” Premier Mark McGowan said. WA’s new museum will feature: Seven major galleries that will share the stories of Western Australia, its people, its places and its relationship with the wider world A 1,000-SQM temporary exhibition gallery for home-grown and touring exhibitions Learning studios and programmable space for visitors and groups of all ages, including schools Retail, café and commercial spaces Activated public spaces both inside and outside the museum A spectacular display of the State’s famous blue whale skeleton Once operational, the new museum is expected to attract approximately 800,000 visitors during its first year as well as contribute up to $31 million of extra tourism spend made from international visitors who are staying an extra night the region.

January 26th, 2018, 03:20 AM	#112
Citystyle Watch my Chops Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Posts: 5,960 Likes (Received): 692	I'm not sure why. It's a largely worthless asset (from a private enterprise perspective) and subsequently any sale would come with the sorts of conditions that would hurt the budget and consumers going forward. __________________ Sec. 31 But how far has he given it us? To enjoy. As much as anyone can make use of to any advantage of life before it spoils, whatever is beyond this, is more than his share, and belongs to others. Nothing was made by God for man to spoil or destroy. And thus considering the plenty of natural provisions there was a long time in the world, and the few spenders, and to how small a part provision the industry of one man could extend itself, and ingross itself to the prejudice of others. - John Locke

January 23rd, 2018, 12:38 PM	#101
Matt B Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,555 Likes (Received): 439	there is literally no money.

January 23rd, 2018, 03:30 PM	#103
kujay Registered User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 332 Likes (Received): 274	God it's depressing. I'm in midst of night shifts. After re-reading the stadium bridge strip back, I think I woke up at 2 pm today in the midst of a terrible nightmare about the museum also being Perthed. We really have a lot riding on this.

January 23rd, 2018, 05:08 PM	#107
c_avdas Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,013 Likes (Received): 626	I've been living beyond my means for a solid 15 years without any major dramas, why should the state be any different? I bet WA has a heaps better credit rating than I do

January 24th, 2018, 04:57 AM	#109
nazor Perth Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 1,800 Likes (Received): 886	EQ, PCL, the stadium were all originally Labor projects continued on by the Barnett government (obviously changed to match their agenda). The governments ability to spend is constrained by its own decision making. They refuse to sell assets and pay down debt and fund infrastructure moving forward. Blaming the past wont work. It's never worked for any government.

January 24th, 2018, 06:06 AM	#110
HighgateJohnny Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Highgate 6003 Posts: 2,885 Likes (Received): 3036	The former Liberal government had a poor track record with its asset sale program. The only big-ticket sale over the past few years has been the $135.5 million Perth Market Authority, which manages a central wholesale trading and distribution hub for fruit and vegetables. A proposed sale of Fremantle Ports was blocked by the WA Nationals. AFR 28 August 2017. “After many false starts, the Western Australian government is pushing ahead with the sale of its TAB online and retail outlet wagering services businesses, which could nab the state as much as $500 million.” Now the McGowan Government is considering selling Landgate to the private sector. Sales of other titles registries have yielded eye-watering figures — $2.6 billion in NSW and $1.6 billion in South Australia — so it may even be the least-worst option to help repair the WA Budget. But again there is opposition from the right https://thewest.com.au/opinion/nick-...-ng-b88701339z It could increase the revenue it gets from the gold industry but it tried that.

January 24th, 2018, 03:05 PM	#111
magmamo Opportunist Onlooker Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Birs Posts: 768 Likes (Received): 402	western power will probably get sold the way things are going

January 27th, 2018, 05:12 AM	#113
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January 27th, 2018, 06:34 AM	#114
jackso Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth Posts: 10,104 Likes (Received): 3110	Would be a good time to start thinking about the next stage of the Museum St project which involved completely pedestrianising it.

January 27th, 2018, 08:44 AM	#115
Urbicus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 3,902 Likes (Received): 4870	So long as they don't let the people responsible for its current state anywhere near it.