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Old September 25th, 2009, 05:11 AM   #121
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What I don't get is why Melbourne is always trying to go for a warm-climate vibe - outdoor tables, palm trees and umbrellas and so on, when for at least 1/2 the year it is a real turnoff.

Cities in Europe where they accept the warm-climate stuff doesn't work, can emphasise the indoor environment - open fires, welcoming looking lounges, subdued lighting, wood panelling and so on. Nothing to be ashamed of, just because the outdoors works in Brisbane don't expect it to work in Melbourne.

Particularly in the windblown west of the city.
Why cant there be outdoor tables with umbrellas? it works very well during summer and spring, Melbourne isnt cold 12 months of the year, and during winter umbrellas are usually taken down, with awnings and outdoor heaters to replace them . The palm trees I believe dont look like the tropical palm trees you would see in Queensland or Miami ect. They are the real fat chunky ones.
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What I don't get is why Melbourne is always trying to go for a warm-climate vibe - outdoor tables, palm trees and umbrellas and so on, when for at least 1/2 the year it is a real turnoff.

Cities in Europe where they accept the warm-climate stuff doesn't work, can emphasise the indoor environment - open fires, welcoming looking lounges, subdued lighting, wood panelling and so on. Nothing to be ashamed of, just because the outdoors works in Brisbane don't expect it to work in Melbourne.

Particularly in the windblown west of the city.
Temperature-wise Melbourne's winters are comparable to Ibiza and Athens...Are they considered cold-climate cities?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 06:11 AM   #123
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What I don't get is why Melbourne is always trying to go for a warm-climate vibe - outdoor tables, palm trees and umbrellas and so on, when for at least 1/2 the year it is a real turnoff.

Cities in Europe where they accept the warm-climate stuff doesn't work, can emphasise the indoor environment - open fires, welcoming looking lounges, subdued lighting, wood panelling and so on. Nothing to be ashamed of, just because the outdoors works in Brisbane don't expect it to work in Melbourne.

Particularly in the windblown west of the city.
You obviously haven't travelled anywhere outside glorious tropical SEQ otherwise you'd know that even Stockholm, Oslo and other cities that are much colder than Melbourne have loads of street dining and outdoor eating areas.
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Melbourne is lucky to offer variety and seasons.....OK sometimes a few of them can be in the same day but you can move from outdoor to indoor when that happens. Many a fine time can be had dining or eating outdoors here in marvellous Melbourne.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 07:54 AM   #125
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When you've finished all that self-stimulus-ing, explain to me one thing. Why is the Docklands area deserted in winter?

That's right. Because it is cold, wet and windy.

If, in addition to the umbrellas and palms, we had some good warm, inviting and comfortable places down there, might survive winter.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:02 AM   #126
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You obviously haven't travelled anywhere outside glorious tropical SEQ otherwise you'd know that even Stockholm, Oslo and other cities that are much colder than Melbourne have loads of street dining and outdoor eating areas.
You "obviously" know jack-sh__ about me, so spare the "obviously".

Seeing as its clearly a p'ing contest, here's my entry:

Australia (all states), NZ, New Caledonia, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, China (where I spent a while), India, Middle East, Morocco, Spain, France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, UK, Canada, USA.

I recall eating paella in a outdoor cafe on Barcelona's waterfront in about 5 degree temperatures so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.

Let's just imagine, for a change, we could walk AND chew gum at the same time - and imagine that we could get some cold-weather design happening concurrent with the warm.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:17 AM   #127
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/\/\ oh dear. calm down.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:43 AM   #128
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Mickeebee please don't treat Eco-rat like he is JayT - they have nothing in common. You don't need to treat him like he's some sort of idiot who talks up Brisbane/SEQ endlessly (cough cough).

And perhaps the lovers for Melb better not visit this thread in the NZ forum "Rubbish places in the world that you've visited."

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=964842
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:54 AM   #129
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You had me up to, "I recall eating paella in a outdoor cafe on Barcelona's waterfront in about 5 degree temperatures so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about", then I couldn't stop thinking what a pompous tool you sound like.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:14 AM   #130
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Mickeebee please don't treat Eco-rat like he is JayT - they have nothing in common. You don't need to treat him like he's some sort of idiot who talks up Brisbane/SEQ endlessly (cough cough).

And perhaps the lovers for Melb better not visit this thread in the NZ forum "Rubbish places in the world that you've visited."

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=964842
Excuse me?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #131
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I can't fathom the amount of arrogant miss-informed users on these forums. Most comments and criticism of other cities is either based on observations from a fast moving vehicle on a trip to the airport or google street view images or something

Everyone is so intent on finding negative things to say about other places. Take a better look around and stop being so eager to put shit on everywhere except the place you live. It's so childish
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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:24 PM   #132
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Mickeebee please don't treat Eco-rat like he is JayT - they have nothing in common. You don't need to treat him like he's some sort of idiot who talks up Brisbane/SEQ endlessly (cough cough).

And perhaps the lovers for Melb better not visit this thread in the NZ forum "Rubbish places in the world that you've visited."

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=964842
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Melbourne, Australia. Overrated. Terrible winter weather, unbearable summer heat. Everyone reminding you that you are in a world class, world famous city of the world that is the envy of everywhere. The residents seem to think they are the only city on earth were you can buy sophisticated things like cappuccino and enchiladas. Full of different ethnic groups that dont get along- especially on a Friday night at any railway station.

Well that was a great reason why Melbourne is rubbish, i was expecting a little bit more then that.

They should take a look at there own tryhard cities, there not sparkling diamonds either.

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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:31 PM   #133
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You had me up to, "I recall eating paella in a outdoor cafe on Barcelona's waterfront in about 5 degree temperatures so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about", then I couldn't stop thinking what a pompous tool you sound like.
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Why is the Docklands area deserted in winter?

That's right. Because it is cold, wet and windy.
wrong.

docklands has the same amount of people in it wether its summer or winter, because it is a reidential/workplace area... just like the CBD. The weather dosnt factor into it.... its not Luna Park
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Old September 27th, 2009, 06:43 PM   #134
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Yes, its very easy to throw shit at a place, i cant think of 1 place thats ALL FANTASTIC without the bad or trashy aspects to it.
London, New York, Paris, Moscow and GOD forbid anywhere in NZ have many bad parts to them, but if thats all you notice then that shows you up to be a very sad person indeed, to only see what you have in your own backyard as the beanch mark for the rest of the world with all the other wonderfull things to explore, **** them, its there loss.

In my younger days as a backpacker i would come across many NZs, many of them just hang shit on everything, ''not as good as NZ'', ''hey'', they would tell me.
What do you say ?? id just roll my eyes and smirk and try to ignore them, but there soo loud!!!!!!

lol, And trust L2 to find a thread thats about bashing other cities, namely Melbourne.
But it is rather what the individual is looking for more than anything, with many of the NZs it was beer tours, drugs and sex parties that turned them on, Amsterdam was the top spot with most i meet, and i agree that its a top city, but i love it for totally different reasons. Everything else apart from the above attractions went un-noticed with them because it was ALL SHIT.

And as for blowing ones trumpet, well, the Kiwis would win GOLD at that sport.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #135
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And perhaps the lovers for Melb better not visit this thread in the NZ forum "Rubbish places in the world that you've visited."https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=964842
Its all subjective mate...Some people like Melbourne some people don't. Surely, we're not so childish as to take a few emotionally charged opinions seriously or as a personal insult.

I guess the question you should ask yourself is if you hate melbourne as much as you make out on the forum, why do you still live here?
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Old September 28th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #136
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Yeah...what is the score with you L2?

Were you forced to move down south against your will, or something?

I can proudly say that I've never lived in a city I don't like. Life's too short

Do yourself (and others??) a favour. Leave! Simples!
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Old September 28th, 2009, 02:18 AM   #137
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L2 hates Melbourne?

That would explain why he has never posted a photo, an update or ever added value to the Vic forum...
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Old September 28th, 2009, 02:28 AM   #138
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The sooner some retards realise that Melbourne is not sub-tropical and has never claimed to be the better.
We are the southern most mainland capital...of course it's going to get cold FFS.
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Old September 28th, 2009, 03:28 AM   #139
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Im just sick of people thinking we think Melbourne is top shit and better then everywhere else. I wouldn't move from Melbourne as my family is here and love them to death, so I find all the positives and utilize them, which there is so many! Instead of slandering the city for its negetives, like garmatt said, lifes to SHORT. We are the 2nd most liveable city for a reason!

I have noticed, whether its generalising or not, that many people I know from interstate dont want anything to do Melbourne, and whenever they visit, they do nothing but slam it, and say "well our city has....blah blah blah", "Your summers are so short", "Its way to cold here", "The laneways are so crowded!" and so on .Just as dockside said, its their loss.

But that New Zealand thread really heated me as some of the statements were just plain annoying, and I couldnt help myself.

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Old September 28th, 2009, 03:55 AM   #140
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When you've finished all that self-stimulus-ing, explain to me one thing. Why is the Docklands area deserted in winter?

That's right. Because it is cold, wet and windy.

If, in addition to the umbrellas and palms, we had some good warm, inviting and comfortable places down there, might survive winter.
Docklands may be deserted but places like Chapel St and Toorak Rd have outdoor dining the year round. In fact it's quite enjoyable having a meal outside when the temperature is low as long as outdoor heating is provided.
Give it a try sometime, you may enjoy it.
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