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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:02 PM   #121
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North Newcastle £60m bypass to cut
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by Adrian Pearson, Evening Chronicle, September 5th 2012

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The site of a planned £60m bypass in North Newcastle, including through Newcastle Great Park



This is a horrible plan.

This is the hidden agenda that NCC has always had when they have invited landowners and developers to come forward with plans to build on the green belt.

We are just heading for a huge urban sprawl across the Outer West.
In the 10 years that I lived in Newcastle all of the authorities appeared to be hell bent on urban sprawl in all directions - goodbye green and pleasant Northumberland!

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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:06 PM   #122
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I do worry about there being no dual carriageway options being considered. I only hope they safeguard the land and construct it in such a way that it could be expanded at a later date if necessary.

LIke they safeguaded the land around the A1 near Gosforth to make it 3 lanes when NGP was built .........oooppps

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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:02 PM   #123
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LIke they safeguaded the land around the A1 near Gosforth to make it 3 lanes when NGP was built .........oooppps
If the plans are to extend the road to North Brunton interchange then the roads already laid on Great Park are already in place. with an intersection already available at the top of Brunton Viillage to carry traffic past Sage and onto Great Parkway to the junction
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In the 10 years that I lived in Newcastle all of the authorities appeared to be hell bent on urban sprawl in all directions - goodbye green and pleasant Northumberland!

Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England, with only 62 people per square Kilometre.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 04:19 AM   #125
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[*]The fact that the flat had grills on the windows and a solid steel front door with [and I do not exaggerate] 4 mortice locks in a steel .
I live on Great Park in Gosforth which is a nice area and my house was built with solid steel front and back doors. It's not unusual these days anywhere. When I moved here 9 years ago I bought a cat flap for 29.99 and to my astonishment it cost me £200 to get out a steel specialist to take off the back door and cut out the square. They're solid !!!!
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I live on Great Park in Gosforth which is a nice area and my house was built with solid steel front and back doors. It's not unusual these days anywhere. When I moved here 9 years ago I bought a cat flap for 29.99 and to my astonishment it cost me £200 to get out a steel specialist to take off the back door and cut out the square. They're solid !!!!

Just out of interest, I always thought that "Newcastle Great Park" and "Gosforth" were independent parts of Newcastle, each in their own right?

I live very near there and that is how they are (as far as I am aware) rather than one being a part of the other?
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Old January 1st, 2013, 12:46 PM   #127
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I live on Great Park in Gosforth which is a nice area and my house was built with solid steel front and back doors. It's not unusual these days anywhere. When I moved here 9 years ago I bought a cat flap for 29.99 and to my astonishment it cost me £200 to get out a steel specialist to take off the back door and cut out the square. They're solid !!!!
HI Jazmincleo

If you've been there nine years you must have been among the first residents of the NGP! Did you feel like pioneers when you first moved there - unmade roads, troubles getting the Royal Mail to acknowledge that you exist, and so on - or was it relatively smooth sailing?
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Just out of interest, I always thought that "Newcastle Great Park" and "Gosforth" were independent parts of Newcastle, each in their own right?

I live very near there and that is how they are (as far as I am aware) rather than one being a part of the other?
Interesting point, NH. I'd thought of it as being a sort of 'extension' of Gosforth; but looking at the A-Z I see that while parts are NE3 ('within' the bypass), the rest (outside the bypass) is NE13.

Am I right in thinking that the pre-1974 Gosforth Urban District only extended as far as the Three Mile Bridge? If so that would put NGP in Castle Ward RD, not asure which parish - Brunton?. On the other hand, looking at the Cassini edition 1860s one-inch OS map, Gosforth township included not just the post-1895 Urban district, but also Gosforth Park, the Bruntons, Coxlodge, Kenton, part of Wolsington Park, Slatyford, and a triangle of land running down the west side of Denton Burn almost as far as the West Road.

That DEFINITELTY includes the Great Park!
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Old January 1st, 2013, 06:24 PM   #129
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Just out of interest, I always thought that "Newcastle Great Park" and "Gosforth" were independent parts of Newcastle, each in their own right?

I live very near there and that is how they are (as far as I am aware) rather than one being a part of the other?
The Kingston Park side and the A1 west side of it is more independent but the Melbury and Warkworth Woods bits are in the NE3 postcode area and in the North Gosforth parish councils area. No one that I know on the estate thinks of the area being separate to Gosforth. We have absolutely no facilities here except for a Londis shop. We're now cut off from the actual Great Park development as the bridge on Brunton Lane is now permanently closed to local traffic. To get to the proposed town centre we have to physically drive to North Brunton interchange and enter the estate that way ..... A real hassle
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HI Jazmincleo

If you've been there nine years you must have been among the first residents of the NGP! Did you feel like pioneers when you first moved there - unmade roads, troubles getting the Royal Mail to acknowledge that you exist, and so on - or was it relatively smooth sailing?
It's ok now but it's been a nightmare at times. Nine years in we're still not adopted by the council so all of the roads, lighting etc are still the responsibility of the developer which makes things difficult when there are issues in the estate.

The roads were never a hassle and there has been a lot of disinformation written in the press about the estate. The most annoying thing was the closure of Brunton Bridge. It was always on the original plans but its taken them 11 years to do it when we were all used to coming into the estate from the A1 via the bridge. They took residents considerations on board but just did what they wanted anyway. A 1/4 mile drive to Brunton First School is now 1.5 miles. The planners just don't care at some things that affect people's day to day lives.

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Old January 1st, 2013, 06:32 PM   #131
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Interesting point, NH. I'd thought of it as being a sort of 'extension' of Gosforth; but looking at the A-Z I see that while parts are NE3 ('within' the bypass), the rest (outside the bypass) is NE13.

Am I right in thinking that the pre-1974 Gosforth Urban District only extended as far as the Three Mile Bridge? If so that would put NGP in Castle Ward RD, not asure which parish - Brunton?. On the other hand, looking at the Cassini edition 1860s one-inch OS map, Gosforth township included not just the post-1895 Urban district, but also Gosforth Park, the Bruntons, Coxlodge, Kenton, part of Wolsington Park, Slatyford, and a triangle of land running down the west side of Denton Burn almost as far as the West Road.

That DEFINITELTY includes the Great Park!
We're in North Gosforth Parish Councils boundary
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Old January 1st, 2013, 07:31 PM   #132
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Interesting point, NH. I'd thought of it as being a sort of 'extension' of Gosforth; but looking at the A-Z I see that while parts are NE3 ('within' the bypass), the rest (outside the bypass) is NE13.

Am I right in thinking that the pre-1974 Gosforth Urban District only extended as far as the Three Mile Bridge? If so that would put NGP in Castle Ward RD, not asure which parish - Brunton?. On the other hand, looking at the Cassini edition 1860s one-inch OS map, Gosforth township included not just the post-1895 Urban district, but also Gosforth Park, the Bruntons, Coxlodge, Kenton, part of Wolsington Park, Slatyford, and a triangle of land running down the west side of Denton Burn almost as far as the West Road.

That DEFINITELTY includes the Great Park!

Interesting discussion !!

Yes, I think that historically there are a number of things that help identify the Newcastle Great Park area and its relationship with pre-existing urban areas of Newcastle, though I do not see that this necessarily impacts on today's Newcastle all that much.

In the Newcastle of today though the "Ward Boundaries" do not always define the name of an area. For example I don't know many people who would state that their area of Newcastle (where they live) is "Castle" !!

Also, the Parish Councils don't really define an area either. All of Newcastle is run by the City Council, while only six areas of Newcastle have their own additional Parish Councils (at extra cost) whose main role in all six areas (including the 'North Gosforth' Parish Council) is simply to "represent the interests of their local community in dialogue with other Parishes or with the City Council". It isn't as if the Parish Council is "the Local Authority", it is just an extra link in the chain to (theoretically) improve local accountabilty and improve clarity of information for the City Council.

In essence, the "Newcastle 3" area of the City is principally, Kenton, Gosforth and Fawdon, with sub-areas within those that have a fairly clear independent identity, such as Whitebridge Park, Brunton Park, Newcastle Great Park, Red House Farm, Kingston Park, etc, etc.

While some of the above can also be definitely seen to be part of the three main Newcastle 3 areas (eg, Kingston Park in Kenton, Whitebridge Park in Gosforth, etc) it "tends" to be the Gosforth area of Newcastle that is most often clung to by the sub-areas (eg, in Estate Agents house adverts) whether they are really part of that area or not!!

That is because it sounds good to have 'Gosforth' in your address!

Certainly, the new area of Newcastle called Newcastle Great Park seems to have no real link with Gosforth (or Kenton, or Fawdon) other than perhaps for the latter reason. All the NGP residents who I know are proud of their area, and see it as an area of Newcastle in its own right, but I can imagine that there will also be some residents who perhaps align themselves with the pre-existing area called Gosforth.

And - nothing wrong with that!!

Finally, all of what I say above is just how I see it, in my opinion. I am not saying that other views about this are factually incorrect!
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Old January 1st, 2013, 07:43 PM   #133
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NGP Cell C Planning Application

There was an NCC PA just before Xmas 2012 for more Great Prk development plus 35 self build plots which would be interesting to see how they turn out.

http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=MDUF9NBSAP000

...and they say there is no building on the Green Belt!

I thought for every GP new build there was to be two elsewhere on Brown Field?
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Old January 1st, 2013, 08:02 PM   #134
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Interesting discussion !!

Certainly, the new area of Newcastle called Newcastle Great Park seems to have no real link with Gosforth (or Kenton, or Fawdon) other than perhaps for the latter reason. All the NGP residents who I know are proud of their area, and see it as an area of Newcastle in its own right, but I can imagine that there will also be some residents who perhaps align themselves with the pre-existing area called Gosforth.

And - nothing wrong with that!!

Finally, all of what I say above is just how I see it, in my opinion. I am not saying that other views about this are factually incorrect!
I think that's incorrect. As I said earlier we have no facilities on this estate except a physiotherapy studio and a Londis shop. We're in the catchment area for Gosforth schools, the 46 bus runs here to Brunton Park then to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Haymarket, we have no other transport service linking us to anyone else. Our nearest supermarkets, dentists, doctors are all in Gosforth. Did the relative of yours in Brunton Park consider it to be an area of Gosforth because you can see my house from the picture you uploaded. I am about 50 Metres from his garden fence. I can walk from my house to Regent Centre metro in 15 mins and Sainsburys in 20 minutes on a continuous trail of suburban pathways and houses. There is no open space that isn't already built on from my front door to Moor Park Road on the edge of the town moor.
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I think that's incorrect. As I said earlier we have no facilities on this estate except a physiotherapy studio and a Londis shop. We're in the catchment area for Gosforth schools, the 46 bus runs here to Brunton Park then to Regent Centre, Gosforth and Haymarket, we have no other transport service linking us to anyone else. Our nearest supermarkets, dentists, doctors are all in Gosforth. Did the relative of yours in Brunton Park consider it to be an area of Gosforth because you can see my house from the picture you uploaded. I am about 50 Metres from his garden fence. I can walk from my house to Regent Centre metro in 15 mins and Sainsburys in 20 minutes on a continuous trail of suburban pathways and houses. There is no open space that isn't already built on from my front door to Moor Park Road on the edge of the town moor.

At the moment Newcastle Great Park is very much "under construction".

If you have a look at the earlier posts of this thread you will see that it is, however, being designed and built as a self-sufficient suburb of Newcastle, even with its own "town" centre!

It is not designed to be "geographically or physically seperate" from the rest of Newcastle, all suburbs of a City form a continuous part of that City, while maintaining their own identity.

It will be a while before NGP is complete though, and I don't know when the "Town" Centre will be built.
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Did the relative of yours in Brunton Park consider it to be an area of Gosforth because you can see my house from the picture you uploaded. I am about 50 Metres from his garden fence.

Sorry, missed that bit of your post!

That (Brunton Park) is a good example of a sub-area that is not administratively separate from its main area, but has its own identity, and is physically clearly 'identifiable' as such.

He lived in a street in Brunton Park called 'South Bend' and his address was always written as . .

XX South Bend
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Newcastle upon Tyne
NE3 4XX

The "secondary area" (of Gosforth) was never written as part of his address, as it was felt that quoting two areas of the City in one address was confusing.

That is an example of an area of a City having its own identity, and not being seen always as a part of a larger/older pre-existing area of the City.
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It amuses me how wide the area can be drawn when people want to say they are in a certain area, I have seen parts of Kenton described as Gosforth, Longbenton as "Low Gosforth", Wide Open/Hazlerigg as North Gosforth.

I still have trouble thinking of Gosforth as part of Newcastle, it was certainly better when it had its own council.
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If you have a look at the earlier posts of this thread you will see that it is, however, being designed and built as a self-sufficient suburb of Newcastle, even with its own "town" centre!

It is not designed to be "geographically or physically seperate" from the rest of Newcastle, all suburbs of a City form a continuous part of that City, while maintaining their own identity.

It will be a while before NGP is complete though, and I don't know when the "Town" Centre will be built.
However one important point you are failing to notice is that Great Park (east) is segregated from the main Great Park from the permanent closure of Brunton Bridge. I keep saying this but no one takes any notice. Great Park town centre when it's built will be further away from me than the Gosforth Chippy by road. If you don't believe me I'll take a picture of both sides of the bridge tomorrow and post it
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At the moment Newcastle Great Park is very much "under construction"
East of the a1 where I live is completely finished

It will be 5-10 years before any shops/town centre or anything of that nature appears ..... Possibly even longer

Were segregated from the "town centre" and to be honest unless its spectacular why would we want to make the almost 2 mile car journey to it in the wrong direction to where most of us work. Have you see the new shop units in the town centre... Part of them are are already there and built but they have been empty for almost 3 years. Sitting there derelict before they've had a chance to be occupied. I bet they sit there empty for eight years before any shops settle into them.

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If you don't believe me I'll take a picture of both sides of the bridge tomorrow and post it
I believe you!

I know the area well.
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