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Old December 18th, 2017, 02:39 PM   #81
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In South Africa - Rivalries are biiig
We have a few: - mostly based on economic importance, sporting prowess ( Rugby, Cricket and Soccer), and also general quality of life

Johannesburg v Cape Town
- this is for the prestige of having the most corporate HQ's and glitzy buildings, as well as associated top tier money earners and their trappings
( incredibly big and expensive houses, cars, and posh private schools)
Sandton - "The riches sq mile in Africa"
Sandton by Axel Bührmann, on Flickr
Cape Town CBD - Clean, safe and smart!
Cape Town CBD by Peter Wright, on Flickr

Durban v Cape Town
- based on the fact that both have epic beaches and settings, wealthy coastal living, and surf culture as well as culinary scene
- Both are ex-English parts of the Union of SA, so they also have a combined rivaly as English speaking coastal cities V the big poney/power cities in the interior like Johannesburg and Pretoria which are more Afrikaans speaking

Durban : - the Golden Mile

]url=https://flic.kr/p/W8WDgc][/url]Durban Beach 25s Long Exposure by Paul Saad, on Flickr

Cape Town - Clifton and Camps Bay
the mountain and the beach by Flavio, on Flickr

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Old December 18th, 2017, 06:32 PM   #82
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The rivalry between Madrid and Barcelona took a worrying turn...
The Death of a Once Great City
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Definitely have to agree with some of what's being said about the Canadian rivalries.

I've lived in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal and generally there doesn't seem to be any rivalry going on between Montreal and Toronto (aside from Hockey, where it's as strong as ever). Both cities seem to be doing their own things and have great respect for each other. If anything, I hear way more people in Ottawa jabbing at Toronto. In Montreal, you may occasionally talk about Quebec City or Paris. Toronto seems to talk about American cities more (e.g. Chicago, New York).

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Agreed; I think both Toronto and Montreal are pretty confident in themselves as cities and don't really both with the competitive thing that is bigger in the rest of the country. Except for hockey and soccer, of course!
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Not correct

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Well hardly,Belgrade is much biger city than Sofia,crossroad for centuries(Celts,Romans,Slavic,Huns,Srbs etc).Confluence of Danube and Sava river.For long time it was the capital of former kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenians.Later capital of former Yugoslavia, where all this cultures were mixed to offer a diffrent kind of texture to a city.As i said before city doesn't make just a toll buildings it is numberd cultural and other institutions what Belgrade makes a truly significant capital on south east of europe.Belgrade and Zagreb maintain cultural exchange regulary ,everything important happens on these two cities because of same language Serbo-Croat and rich institutions in both cities.
Belgrade is currently a regional hub for air carriers(long distance lines with usa and china),railway becomes important corridor eruope as well(high speed railroad construction Belgrade -Budapest is on going),finantional global representatives are all in Belgrade.Chinese bank opened recently regional representative in Belgrade.

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Belgrade waterfont project on going.
You are wrong:
Sofia is larger than Belgrade when it comes to surface area and constantly ranks higher than Belgrade when it comes to many parameters of the quality of life ,like the average net salary or the green surfaces per capita
The EU has done its job in advancing this city beyond Belgrade
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Old April 3rd, 2018, 09:49 PM   #86
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Budapest vs Blgrade ??

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Well,my point is ,that member Spansko choosed wrong city of Sofia for rival to Belgrade city. Before there was local rivals Belgrade vs Zagreb but it s not on the menu any more.Belgrade is far enough from these two cityes.Belgrade just dominate with it s geostrategic position for 7000 years old history.
I would say that new situation would be Budapest vs Belgrade couse of new high speed railroad,cuts travell time on less than three hours between these two cityes,and these two cityes are on the same corridor.Also these cityes are doing effords to attract regional finantional and other global representatives to open headquters for region.
It was my idea that Budapest and Belgrade organise Olympics together and cut cost's,and other big sport events.Who knows ..might happen.
Budapest is almost 4 times larger than Belgrade
The arhitecture testifies to its former glory as the capital of the large and powerful country
No comparison whatsoever

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Rio and São Paulo background.

São Paulo was a tiny village when Rio was an Imperial Capital. São Paulo wasn´t and shouldn´t be the largest city at all, but a geographic barrier led this to happen.

Since the Rio de Janeiro countryside the terrain is hilly [some mountains reaching 2800 meters], farming was a challenge and the city and State of Rio de Janeiro had a limited economic environment to develop farming and consequently trade in its port.

Further south, São Paulo had a fertile land in its plateau: the "Terra Roxa" soil [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_rossa_(soil)]. The state had big rivers that run from the coast to the continent [running away from the Sea due a mountain range in the Atlantic coast] and farming became a natural consequence.

Farming started slowly but the state became more competitive with time. The same mountain range that made rivers flow to the continent, made São Paulo a dry port. Goods came from the countryside through rivers or railways and were traded in São Paulo before descend to Port of Santos [800m bellow in the coast]. If these mountains didn´t exist, probably Santos would be the largest city in the country today, since the rivers would probably flow to the ocean.

Meanwhile Rio were living its "belle époque", São Paulo was attracting people from everywhere and industry was arising.

In 1930´s, 40 years after all this demographics changes started to happen, foreign and brazilian companies started moving its headquarters from Rio to São Paulo.

In 1960´s, Rio lost is capital status and São Paulo became the largest city.

To this day, these changes are perceived by the culture present in both cities.

Unfortunately, Rio has a very strong bureaucratic elite and still have some Federal offices and companies even almost 60 years after Brasília´s foundation [Petrobras is an example]. Rio de Janeiro state has the highest VAT taxes in the country and usually elects terrible politicians. This is one of the reasons the state is now bankrupt.

Meanwhile São Paulo elite developed mainly by "Nouveau riche" and away from the "Imperial Court". The free market spirit more prominent in São Paulo led to the development of a more demanding culture of good and sophisticated costumer services which is something that is very noticed by every brazilian that are used to visit both cities [São Paulo´s subway is a clear example of this]. Infrastructure and tax environment is better down south too.

Usually Rio is perceived as the "liberal leftist capital" of the country and São Paulo is bashed by the left to be a "fascist right wing city".

In the 80´s and 90´s when São Paulo were attracting many qualified "cariocas", there was a common saying in Rio: "The only certainty in life is death and São Paulo".

A funny rivalry between both cities is the "biscoito x bolacha" war. Basically is how cariocas and paulistanos call "cookies" and they keep annoying each other about what is the correct way.

Culturally, Rio is portraid as the image of Brazil. Since Rio was a big city before São Paulo for 200years, many cultural aspects of the country were developed there - music genre like Bossa Nova, Samba and Choro, many famous literature authors comes from Rio and all the other main stereotypes of the country. Even today Rio works as a "Brazilian Hollywood" since the main TV network is located there producing mass media to the country.

One thing to notice is how some news and tv shows is switched between both cities. Usually the first news in the morning (4am) starts in São Paulo, the second one, at 8AM, is in Rio but shared in live broadcast with São Paulo and Brasília, than the afternoon news is exclusively in São Paulo, the first news in night (8PM) is exclusively in Rio and the last one (12pm) only in São Paulo. Other TV shows, soap opera and TV series work likes this as well.

Also is not uncommon for people to live in one city and work in the other everyday or to spend 3 or 4 days working in one city and go home in weekends. This also created another demographic characteristic: rich cariocas, when move to São Paulo usually lives in Moema, an upscale neighborhoods close to Congonhas Airport [dowtown São Paulo] - a fast way to reach Rio.

Love is also shared between both cities. Is not uncommon for a guy from Rio date a woman from São Paulo etc. There is even a movie called "Ponte Area" (air bridge) about these relationship divided between the cities.
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Another rivalry strong in Brazil is between Recife (historically the economic center in colonial period) and Salvador (political capital till the 18th century).

And up north, between Manaus and Belém in the Amazon basin.
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Some datas about these main rivalries within nations.

Travel distance - flight

Rio - São Paulo 45min
Guayaquil - Quito 55min
Milan to Rome 1h10min
Barcelona to Madrid 1h10min
Toronto to Montreal 1h10min
St Petersburg - Moscow 1h15min
Melbourne - Sydney 1h30min
Cape Town - Johannesburg 2h
Delhi to Mumbai 2h10min
Beijing to Shanghai 2h15min
New York to Los Angeles 5h10min

Population combined

Delhi-Mumbai 48M
Beijing-Shanghai 46M
Rio-São Paulo 33M
St Petersburg - Moscow 22M
CapeTown-Johannesburg 17M
Barcelona-Madrid 11.7 M
Toronto-Montreal 10M
Melbourne-Sydney 9.6M
Rome-Milan 8M
Quito-Guayaquil 5.6M

Metro system combined

Beijing-Shanghai 1237km
St Petersburg - Moscow 478km
NYC-LA 448km
Barcelona-Madrid 340km
Delhi-Mumbai 263km
Rome-Milan 161km
Toronto-Montreal 148km
Rio-São Paulo 148km

Main international destination

Sydney> Auckland
Melbourne >Singapore
Los Angeles> London
New York > London
Rome> Barcelona
São Paulo > Buenos Aires
Rio > Buenos Aires

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Old April 23rd, 2018, 05:34 AM   #90
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Maybe all been said but

1. Manchester v Liverpool
2. Edinburgh v Glasgow
3. Bristol v Cardiff
4. York v Scarborough
5. Leeds v Sheffield
6. Birmingham v Manchester
7. Nottingham v Leicester
8. Belfast v Dublin
9. Oxford v Cambridge
10. Bath v York
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If I could throw some views on Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, I think Barcelona can't match with Madrid really. Everything related with corporate, finance Spain is happening in Madrid. Just a few companies of Ibex35 are based outside Madrid.

Also GDP per capita Communidad de Madrid for last 15 years was always first, whereas Catalunya is fourth. Therefore, I think position of Barcelona as rival to Madrid might be misleading.
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Originally Posted by dkorts1 View Post
Budapest is almost 4 times larger than Belgrade
The arhitecture testifies to its former glory as the capital of the large and powerful country
No comparison whatsoever
Can you please prove that Budapest is 4 times larger than Belgrade?Have you ever been to both of cityes?If that is true as you posted Budapest would be large as Paris or London,but actually it isn't Budapest is smaller than Madrid
About architecture,for Budapest yes it is really monumental,Belgrade and it's architecture is diffrent style city ,it is more resembles to Wienna generaly in old part of the city, but of for "glory as the capital of the large and powerful country" you can say for both cityes. Belgrade was also a capital capital of the large and that time powerful country on many ways of Yugoslavia.
Although trhead is Rivality these two towns are complementary on a Danube route.Goood to visit both.
About "comparison whatsoever "it is that both cityes are on Danube way, and Eu road and rail coridor X,next european metropolis after Budapest is Belgrade ,both are european metropolis similar size,and Budapest is close to 1,7- 2 milions as Belgrade metropolitan area.Belgrade is much much older than Budapaest ,about 5.300 bc "Starcevo and Vinca culture"

New Belgrade ,modern brutalism

Beautifull Danube

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In Mexico there are two principal rivalries. In one hand Mexico City vs Monterrey that represents itself the clash between "central/north" in terms of political and economical issues. Monterrey always has wanted to be the counterpart of the capitol (Mexico City) in a very centralist country.

Another big rivalry is the classical match between the second and third most important city in country. Monterrev (2nd) vs Guadalajara (3rd) are two very different cities. One is merely industrial and power full in economy, the other is very touristic and cultural that shows to the world what is known as "mexican symbols" (tequila, mariachi) Both citieas are similar in popupation MTY 4.8 millions vs GDL 5.0 millions. Mty is bigger than Gdl in metro area extention.
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New to me there is a rivalry between Mty and Mexico City is like seems a Sanson vs Goliath fight

Mexico City is an Alpha city and Mty is some houndred of kilometers away, so, guys go back to earth
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Did anyone mention Dallas vs. Houston?

Moscow vs. St. Petersburg?

Venice, Italy vs. Venice, California?

St. Petersburg, Russia vs. St. Petersburg, Florida?

Slovenia vs. Slovakia?

HongKong v. Shanghai?

Hamburg v. Munich?
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This one gets pretty intense, especially this year
Shenzhen v. Hongkong v. Guangzhou

The three centers of the Pearl River Delta, sizes of the economies are almost identical, and each wants to be the future face of the area.
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Old December 13th, 2018, 03:47 AM   #97
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In Argentina, as Buenos Aires is the dominant city, the main rivalry is between the 2nd and 3rd cities: Córdoba and Rosario. Córdoba has a long academic history, while Rosario is a key city (if not the key city) in our agricultural industry.
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Originally Posted by Knitemplar View Post
Did anyone mention Dallas vs. Houston?

Moscow vs. St. Petersburg?

Venice, Italy vs. Venice, California?

St. Petersburg, Russia vs. St. Petersburg, Florida?

Slovenia vs. Slovakia?

HongKong v. Shanghai?

Hamburg v. Munich?
indeed ? slovakia vs slovenia ??? except quite similar names and slavic language group there is no rivalry at all. we have pretty much nothing in common with slovenia (but we respect each other, countries are nice and we get along quite well i think). for us, slovaks, the most biggest rivalry is with czechs (but also - only in sport, eitherwise we consider each other as the brother nations). then, slovakia vs hungary can be very bitter rivalry but mostly due to the history and sometimes strong nationalism in both the coutries (IMHO, normal slovaks and hungarians have no problems between each other at all.).
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This one I find interesting.

Not really city but more of a region.

If there is one real rivalry, that would be The State of California.

You have Northern California (San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland, rest of The Bay Area, Central Valley, plus the capital Sacramento) which is a financial, technological and political centre;

Against Southern California (Los Angeles, San Diego, Inland Empire) which has the largest city and also an economic, industrial and entertainment hub.
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In Minnesota, like Scotland, Minneapolis is the bigger city, while 10 miles away is St. Paul the Capital city. From Wikipedia: Minneapolis and St. Paul have competed since they were founded, resulting in some duplication of effort.[18] After St. Paul completed its elaborate Cathedral in 1915, Minneapolis quickly followed up with the equally ornate Basilica of St. Mary in 1926. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries the rivalry became so intense that an architect practicing in one city was often refused business in the other. The 1890 United States Census even led to the two cities arresting and/or kidnapping each other's census takers, in an attempt to keep either city from outgrowing the other.[19][20][21]

The 1905 Minneapolis Millers baseball team
The rivalry could occasionally erupt into inter-city violence, as happened at a 1923 game between the Minneapolis Millers and the St. Paul Saints, both baseball teams of the American Association.[citation needed] In the 1950s, both cities competed for a major league baseball franchise (which resulted in two rival stadiums being built), and there was a brief period in the mid-1960s where the two cities could not agree on a common calendar for daylight saving time, resulting in a period of a few weeks where people in Minneapolis were one hour "behind" anyone living or traveling in St. Paul. [22]

The cities' mutual antagonism was largely healed by the end of the 1960s, aided by the simultaneous arrival in 1961 of the Minnesota Twins of the American League and the Minnesota Vikings of the National Football League, both of which identified themselves with the state as a whole (the former explicitly named for both Twin Cities) and not with either of the major cities (unlike the earlier Minneapolis Lakers). Since 1961, it has been common practice for any major sports team based in the Twin Cities to be named for Minnesota as a whole. In terms of development, the two cities remain distinct in their progress, with Minneapolis absorbing new and avant-garde architecture while St. Paul continues to carefully integrate new buildings into the context of classical and Victorian style.
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