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Old November 7th, 2019, 02:19 PM   #281
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The common ground we should be able to agree on is that:

Private motor vehicles are currently the dominant mode and these trips will become less harmful than they currently are due to innovations in hybrid/all-electric cars.

GM should move towards a more diverse 'modal share' of trips to improve quality of life, physical activity, transport capacity, air quality, social cohesion, mental health, network resilience liveability and congestion.

This includes a mix of walking, cycling and public transport, which needs to be improved, so that these modes are more competitive than the car in many cases.

Land use planing should try to avoid car-only neighbourhoods/employment areas, by planning to a suitable density with connections promoting sustainable travel modes.

To increase demand there would be the expectation that we'll see a slight reduction in the number of trips by car year on year, although a significant amount of journeys will not be replaced by public transport/walking/cycling. This requires some curtailing of vehicular dominance, particularly in areas where cars are not the dominant mode in terms of headcount, where numerous alternatives exist or where road safety and air quality are at their worst.
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Old November 7th, 2019, 11:41 PM   #282
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Cars in cities aren’t just a pollution problem. They’re a space problem. Too often they push out the places that can make cities wonderful. More 'environmentally friendly' cars won’t fix that — only fewer cars will.

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Old November 10th, 2019, 04:51 PM   #283
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Tsk. Just look at that bike parked on the pavement.
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Old November 12th, 2019, 07:20 PM   #284
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It all comes down to convenience. A lot of people will not use public transport while it remains p poor. So they either use their cars, or their journeys are suppressed altogether.

Massive investment is needed in both public transport and cycling/walking provision.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 08:15 PM   #285
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How to murder someone and get away with it: do it behind the wheel of a car.

10 years for doing three times the speed limit and killing a woman




"But but but I once saw two cyclists riding two abreast!!!"

The tragic thing is that five people are killed by motorists every single day. Five innocent deaths.

Make driving the new smoking.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 11:27 PM   #286
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Do it on a bike and you'll only get 18 months:

Cyclist Charlie Alliston jailed for 18 months over death of pedestrian .

Or 16 months.

Ed, will you please stop all this anti-car crap. Just pack it in.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 11:51 PM   #287
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Do it on a bike and you'll only get 18 months:

Cyclist Charlie Alliston jailed for 18 months over death of pedestrian .

Or 16 months.

Ed, will you please stop all this anti-car crap. Just pack it in.
Let me know when cyclists kill 5 people in a day and we'll talk seriously.

I won't stop posting until motorists stop murdering people. Stop using your phones behind the wheel. Stop drinking and driving. Stop driving on drugs. Stop driving over the speed limit. Stop parking outside schools. Stop driving on pavements. Stop running red lights and not stopping for pedestrians on zebra crossings. If you don't like it, ignore this thread. It's why it was created
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And, in Winter, stop f**king driving with iced-up/steamed-up windows:

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Old December 3rd, 2019, 01:19 AM   #289
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I'm not sure this thread really belongs in the transport section.
It certainly doesn't have any news about on going, or up and coming transport developments.
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Old December 3rd, 2019, 01:43 AM   #290
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I mean it is about transport so it does belong here. In fact itís role is to stop clogging up the other threads with endless arguments about the same thing over and over again and it fulfils itís role pretty well.
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I mean it is about transport so it does belong here. In fact itís role is to stop clogging up the other threads with endless arguments about the same thing over and over again and it fulfils itís role pretty well.
Respectfully disagree. If it's role is to stop arguments clogging up other threads then it should be in Exchange Sq. along with all the other contentious debates.
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Old December 3rd, 2019, 11:14 AM   #292
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Respectfully disagree. If it's role is to stop arguments clogging up other threads then it should be in Exchange Sq. along with all the other contentious debates.


I feel that would just cause the thread to wither and die, and all this debate would just occur in the other transport threads again.
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Old December 3rd, 2019, 04:45 PM   #293
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I feel that would just cause the thread to wither and die, and all this debate would just occur in the other transport threads again.
Yes, I responded to this effect previously. As tedious as it is, it's staying here.
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Old December 4th, 2019, 05:28 AM   #294
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More motorists parked on the pavement, forcing pedestrians to walk in the road.

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Iím sure the pedestrian could have walked on the other side of the cars....
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Iím sure the pedestrian could have walked on the other side of the cars....


I used to walk there on my way home from work. You can ish, but you have to step over a fence onto mud and then youíre boxed in by cars parked around the curve on the other size. Itís not very practical.
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Iím sure the pedestrian could have walked on the other side of the cars....
That's not really the point though. Cars shouldn't be parked (illegally) on the pavements, full stop. And what about people with buggies or in wheelchairs? They'll likely not be able to fit.

Car drivers have the entire road to play with. Why do they have to take space from pedestrians and cyclists as well?
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Old December 4th, 2019, 12:34 PM   #298
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Cars shouldn't be parked (illegally) on the pavements, full stop.
It's not illegal outside of London.

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And what about people with buggies or in wheelchairs? They'll likely not be able to fit.
I agree, adequate space for at least a double buggy should be left at all times.

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Car drivers have the entire road to play with. Why do they have to take space from pedestrians and cyclists as well?
Car drivers are also pedestrians. They don't teleport to their cars.
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It's not illegal outside of London.
However it is illegal to drive on the pavement. Given that you've admitted that drivers cannot teleport, I wonder how these cars got there?

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Car drivers are also pedestrians. They don't teleport to their cars.
Then perhaps a bit more consideration of others is required. I've learnt not to expect that from motorists though...
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A thread to point out that there is no such thing as road tax or that cyclists run red lights

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However it is illegal to drive on the pavement. Given that you've admitted that drivers cannot teleport, I wonder how these cars got there?
Youíd be the first to enforce that rule from the 1880s in a long time. Cars parking on pavements is the norm, so much so that you do it outside police stations.



As you would have saw outside clippers quay, it takes a sign saying no parking to stop people from parking on the pavement.

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Then perhaps a bit more consideration of others is required. I've learnt not to expect that from motorists though...

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