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Old October 26th, 2019, 01:35 AM   #10681
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Does that make it the second unit to be tested on the mainline? Or is it the first one, but just made it out before unit 1?
It's the first one one the mainline.

Unit 1 hasn't gone out at all. It may or may not given the continual rumours of it being a very badly built train.
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Old October 26th, 2019, 04:47 AM   #10682
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I missed this article a few weeks back......

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...11-p52zxe.html


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More work done in China on new trains for Melbourne as delays mount

October 11, 2019 — 11.45pm

More work on Melbourne's 65 new high-capacity trains is being outsourced to China than originally planned, with their rollout running at least a year late.

The first train was meant to be taking passengers by March this year. But a series of faults in the trains delivered means they have not left a specially built testing track in Pakenham East.

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A letter from Downer to unions in April says that, in order to maximise the efficient assembly of the trains, "certain work tasks will now be completed by CRRC prior to the train sets being shipped to Melbourne for completion". This work included electrical wiring, and represented many hundreds of hours of technical assembly.

But the government maintains that there are 210 local workers assembling the new trains at Newport – more than originally promised.

In an email to staff in August, Metro Trains’ general manager of train services Ali Elbouch told railway workers that the faults in the new carriages were proving challenging to fix.

"Testing at Pakenham East is finding faults which, although normal for a first-of-type train, is taking longer than expected to rectify," he wrote. "Safety is our number one priority and it is essential that we make sure the train passes certain tests."

Six of the new trains are now being tested at Pakenham East, but there is no date for when they will leave the test track – deliberately separated from the city’s public transport network – and be put through 10,000 kilometres of running on the Metro Trains network. They must complete this many kilometres in testing before they are considered safe for passengers.

Asked when the first train would begin testing on the Metro network, a spokeswoman for Transport Infrastructure Minister Jacinta Allan said "by the end of the year".

Ms Allan’s spokeswoman confirmed the trains were a year late. The government did not detail what was wrong with the trains. In August, Ms Allan was questioned by Nine News on what was wrong with them. "It’s simply taken longer than had first been planned," she said.
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Old October 29th, 2019, 12:15 AM   #10683
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https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/first...-hit-the-road/

First Victorian Built Electric Bus To Hit The Road
28 October 2019

Victoria’s first locally built, fully electric bus will soon begin carrying passengers on one of Melbourne’s busiest routes, thanks to a partnership between the Andrews Labor Government and Transdev.

The bus will run on Route 246 between Elsternwick and Clifton Hill via St Kilda before potentially being used across other inner Melbourne routes.

The body construction and fit out for the new bus was carried out in Dandenong by Volgren, supporting Victorian jobs and backing the local automotive industry to develop new capability and innovation.

The new zero-emission bus is fitted with 324 kWH of Lithium Phosphate batteries providing 300 kilometers of travel range.

The bus will not only help to reduce carbon emissions, it will also improve air quality and deliver a quieter and smoother ride for passengers.

It features a low floor, intelligent early detection collision avoidance systems, USB charging ports and will be among the cleanest commercial vehicles on Australian roads.

The bus will be based at Transdev’s North Fitzroy depot where a charging station has been installed.

The trial will continue until January 2021 and will be reviewed to determine the potential to roll out fully electric buses across Victoria.
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Old November 17th, 2019, 09:31 AM   #10684
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Has anybody else noticed that the new route 444 (Rockbank to Cobblebank), which starts on December 2, runs every 40 minutes, yet it exists to take people to a station with an hourly train service?



It's also only 8 minutes long. During the day the wait time for the bus (coming off the train) alternates between 10 or 30 minutes. And there's plenty of bus trips that might as well be a waste of diesel as they don't connect with anything.

And what on earth is with the weird train stopping patterns? There's a bunch of trains which stop at Rockbank, but don't stop at the new Cobblebank Station.

Like the first train of the morning leaving SCS at 5:03am, which stops all stations to Wendouree except Cobblebank. What on earth is preventing it from stopping there? Isn't the track duplication opening at the same time as the new station?

And that 78 minute gap during the afternoon peak (17:59 to 19:17 ex-SCS) for those stations is horrendous. I'm sure that nobody buying into those estates is going to give up their car.
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Old November 18th, 2019, 12:20 AM   #10685
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Vline is one of the stupidest regional commuter rail services I have used in the world with so many arbitrary passenger restrictions and type of services it tries to run. Should just dump all the timetables (or at least in cascading stages in each service groups) along with the restrictions, and redesign it all from scratch. A big bullet to bite, but at least they will get somewhere better than where they are now.
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Old November 18th, 2019, 03:29 AM   #10686
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Out of five train lines leading out of Melbourne, Traralgon is the only one with any degree of stopping pattern consistency.
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Old November 18th, 2019, 11:33 AM   #10687
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Drivers view of Port Melbourne and St Kilda train lines before conversion to light rail.



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Old November 18th, 2019, 12:34 PM   #10688
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Should just dump all the timetables (or at least in cascading stages in each service groups) along with the restrictions, and redesign it all from scratch. A big bullet to bite, but at least they will get somewhere better than where they are now.
Could say the same for trains, trams and buses especially. Buses and trains have had pretty high-profile 'greenfields' timetable changes canned by the government, resulting in the current paradigm of poor service and middling patronage growth.

Could a substantial overhaul of V/Line service be stuck in the government quagmire?

There are probably some political costs involved with turning V/Line into a suburban service, and if the government were willing to can massive timetable improvements for trains because of comparatively minor inconveniences, does not bode well.
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Old November 18th, 2019, 12:51 PM   #10689
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Terminating v/line trains in the outer suburbs would go down like a lead balloon.

It's just papering over the real problems with the network.
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Old November 18th, 2019, 04:35 PM   #10690
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Ramp up the fares, no more welfare service.
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Old November 19th, 2019, 10:27 AM   #10691
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There are probably some political costs involved with turning V/Line into a suburban service, and if the government were willing to can massive timetable improvements for trains because of comparatively minor inconveniences, does not bode well.
Vline IS a suburban service for a vast swathe of the outer west.

I doubt there is any political cost to overhauling those services, unlike there is for say the Ballarat Flagship or similar, because nobody at Melton, Wyndham Vale or surrounds is really exactly satisfied with the service provided anyway.

All that they're really asking for is the same mediocre but not horrendous level of service and reliability that's provided on the electrified network

Really Vline could be split up into three separate operations being as follows:

#1 - Outer suburban commuter rail operator. Basically the same thing as Metro should be for it's longer lines but using trains that aren't powered by electricity. Destinations are Waurn Ponds and Melton/Bacchus Marsh.

#2 - Regional interurban operation. Destinations are Traralgon, Seymour, Wendouree and Seymour. The service to Wendouree would be operated as an extension of operation #2 at quiet times.

#3 - Long distance passenger service to rural towns. Destinations are places like Bairnsdale and Swan Hill. Trains are infrequent and run with a bit more love and care, and provide luxuries like food carts and first class seating.

At the moment their operations are run more in line with operation #3 (look how SCS runs) and they try to do all three things at the same time, and fail badly.

Look how insane it is that you have the train from Warrnambool stopping at Tarneit to crush those people into the doorways for the trip to the CBD. Why on earth would that train even stop there, let alone be the train that takes people from there to other parts of the metropolitan area!?
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Old November 19th, 2019, 03:16 PM   #10692
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Vline IS a suburban service for a vast swathe of the outer west.

I doubt there is any political cost to overhauling those services, unlike there is for say the Ballarat Flagship or similar, because nobody at Melton, Wyndham Vale or surrounds is really exactly satisfied with the service provided anyway.

All that they're really asking for is the same mediocre but not horrendous level of service and reliability that's provided on the electrified network

Really Vline could be split up into three separate operations being as follows:

#1 - Outer suburban commuter rail operator. Basically the same thing as Metro should be for it's longer lines but using trains that aren't powered by electricity. Destinations are Waurn Ponds and Melton/Bacchus Marsh.

#2 - Regional interurban operation. Destinations are Traralgon, Seymour, Wendouree and Seymour. The service to Wendouree would be operated as an extension of operation #2 at quiet times.

#3 - Long distance passenger service to rural towns. Destinations are places like Bairnsdale and Swan Hill. Trains are infrequent and run with a bit more love and care, and provide luxuries like food carts and first class seating.

At the moment their operations are run more in line with operation #3 (look how SCS runs) and they try to do all three things at the same time, and fail badly.

Look how insane it is that you have the train from Warrnambool stopping at Tarneit to crush those people into the doorways for the trip to the CBD. Why on earth would that train even stop there, let alone be the train that takes people from there to other parts of the metropolitan area!?
L2, mate, your detailed observations and critiques about our transit services and needs are usually very accurate, succinct and clear. Keep it up. Sorry that your occassional turn of phrase ruffles a few folks on here and then the ensuing flame wars get out of hand.
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Old November 19th, 2019, 04:01 PM   #10693
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They built a new station at Cobblebank, and upgraded Rockbank, but are just going to run every second train straight past.

People are just going to drive to Melton or Caroline Springs instead, and the stations will be unused.

The writers of Yes Minister would be proud.
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Old November 29th, 2019, 12:28 AM   #10694
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Port Phillip Ferries has another vessel and starting twice daily Docklands-Geelong services on top of their Portartlington service. Starts Dec 2.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...ourne/11746152

Interesting that there's been a speed increase from the mouth of the Yarra to West Gate, shortening transit times.

I got the Portarlington Ferry in March last year and yes, it was shit-slow going down the Yarra (didn't help that we were trailing a container ship that pulled out of Swanson dock just ahead of us as we went under the Bolte).... past Point Gellibrand though, it felt like this in comparison:

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I don't understand why they're not targeting Mornington Peninsula which doesn't have any competing public transport services. Can kind of imagine a service from Docklands to Mornington, Rye, then Sorrento being a popular summer time option. Add it to the myki system as its own ticket/surcharge and it will be quite accessible. The peak road traffic going down that way really really sucks.

Also I have noticed that none of the ferry options are even factored in as part of the trip planners (Google maps, PTV trip planner, etc) so many people who may have used the services are unaware that they exist or work with their travel plans.
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Old November 29th, 2019, 06:40 AM   #10696
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I don't understand why they're not targeting Mornington Peninsula which doesn't have any competing public transport services. Can kind of imagine a service from Docklands to Mornington, Rye, then Sorrento being a popular summer time option. Add it to the myki system as its own ticket/surcharge and it will be quite accessible. The peak road traffic going down that way really really sucks.

Also I have noticed that none of the ferry options are even factored in as part of the trip planners (Google maps, PTV trip planner, etc) so many people who may have used the services are unaware that they exist or work with their travel plans.
Pretty grouse idea. Would really add some connectivity to the area. 1hr on a ferry vs 1-2hrs stuck in traffic. Cop the ferry every time.
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Old December 2nd, 2019, 09:00 AM   #10697
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William and Burke Street Works last week, taken from the public realm.
Walking past today and the crossing has been completed and trams running down Burke Street, quick work being done well it looks.

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I often get to work down at E-Gate, last week walking on-site noticed this bad boy going past.

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Old December 3rd, 2019, 02:30 AM   #10699
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Came across the image. Anyone have any info as to whether all the Comeng Fleet are getting the new screens?

Shame they've retrofitted the existing housing though, kinda makes them even harder to read.
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Old December 3rd, 2019, 02:31 AM   #10700
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I notice the information screens at Nth. Melbourne Station have also changed to be marginally easier to read.

Still well below world standard though.
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