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Old January 31st, 2020, 03:17 PM   #1
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Future Rugby World Cup Hosts

I thought I would start up a thread on the potential future RWC hosts, both Offical bids and members predictions/preferables...
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:23 PM   #2
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As of mid 2019, three countries have officially declared their interest in hosting the 2027 Rugby World Cup, Argentina, Australia and Russia. There has also been speculation that the United States and South Africa would announce their interest in hosting the event, however, so far nothing has been officially announced.

Bidding and selection process
The international Rugby board have suggested putting the 2027 and 2031 World Cup bid processes together like how England for 2015 and Japan for 2019 was done, the Irb believes this will allow them to make a more bolder descision if it coincides with a more traditional one.

They've hinted that '2031' could be the WC with the bolder host, ressons being both 2027 and 2031 hosts are expected to be revealed together sometime in 2021, so giving the bolder choice/the non traditional rugby nation(eg the USA or russia etc) the 2031 World Cup means they get more time to prepare than if they were hosting it in 2027.

Current predictions and favourites
The irb have hinted that 2027 will be see a more traditional host selected, that plus the fact three consecutive World Cups leading into the 2027 tournament would've occurred in the northern hemisphere (2015 in England, 2019 in Japan, and 2023 in France), meaning that a more traditional rugby country thate from the southern hemisphere will be favorites.

Currently Australia are mentioned in msm media with the best odds. Not only has Australia got a proven track record at hosting successful sporting events, it is seen that hosting a world cup will be very beneficial for the game in that country.

The American sporting market is one that the IRB have been interested in for a very long time, and one which has seen varying attempts by rugby over the years that have all end in abject failure, rugby unions presence and or popularity in the US market has remained relatively unchanged throughout.

But in recent times rugbys push into the US market has seen a greater overall success, this is due in part to the increasing sense of confidence and expectation in US rugby teams (both from the teams themself and their supporters), aswell as the irb's more aggressive and more clever tact in recent times to tap into the US market, and utilising the games biggest draw card, internationals, to expose the US market to high quality international matches featuring the best teams in the world, like the recent All blacks vs Ireland.gsme.

AND... What's also come out from the success of these test recent matches in America, is that they have 'proven' to the irb that there is strong demand in the US market for quality international test rugby, and that it is strong enough for a world cup hosted there to be successful. This along with the forecasted boost to rugby in the US a world cup would bring, means that currently the USA are short priced favourites to host in 2031. They're the only country being mentioned with 2031 by most msm media too. The USA are basically in a one horse race for 2031 it seems at the moment!


As an Australian I am naturally more interested in the 2027 bidding process and naturally want to see a successful Australia bid. I will now only focus on 2027 and so... Below are short summarys for the other two main bidders For 2027...

The (two other) official Announced bidders for 2027

ARGENTINA
The Argentine government announced on 5 October 2016 that Argentina would bid for the 2027 Rugby World Cup. Argentina has never hosted the tournament before. Argentina is also the only country that has reached the World Cup semi-finals and not hosted any World Cup matches.

RUSSIA
On the 31 May 2019, the general director of the Russian Rugby Union, Stanislav Druzhinin announced that Russia was bidding to host the 2027 Rugby World Cup. Russia intends to use the same stadiums for 2027 as they used for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, thus not needing to build any infrastructure that is not only better environmentally, but the Russian bid also ensures the legacy of the 2018 FIFA World Cup is being utilised to the maximum.

They are both quality bids in their own right. Now I will make a more in depth summary on australia and lts bid....



AUSTRALIA
Rugby Australia announced on 13 December 2017 that Australia would bid for the 2027 Rugby World Cup. Australia has previously hosted the 2003 Rugby World Cup which many argue as being one of the best tournaments ever hosted, as well as co-hosts for the inaugural 1987 Rugby World Cup with New Zealand. If Australia was to host in 2027, it would mark 40 years since they hosted the first tournament in 1987!

Australia can boast not only having a proven track record at successfully hosting major sporting tournaments, it also has a strong sporting culture aswell as safe and friendly cities that garentees a successful and enjoyable tournament for everyone involved.

certain venues for 2027 world cup

Stadium Australia, Sydney: 83,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 70,000

Perth Stadium, Perth: 60,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 60,000-70,000

Docklands Stadium, Melbourne: 56,347
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 56,347

Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane: 52,500
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 60,000+ (possibly)*

Football Stadium(new), Sydney: 45,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 45,000

Hunter stadium, Newcastle: 33,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 40,000-45,000***

MRS, Melbourne: 30,050
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 30,050

Western Syd Stadium, Sydney: 30,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 30,000

North QLD Stadium, Townsville: 25,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 30,000-32,000+

less certain venues for 2027 world cup

Canberra Stadium(old), Canberra: 25,011
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 25,011**

Canberra stadium(new): 25-30,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 25,000-30,000**

Robina Stadium, Gold Coast: 27,400
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 27,400

Adelaide Oval, Adelaide: 53,583
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 53,583-60,000++

Brisbane Olympic stadium: 80,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 80,000*

WIN stadium, Wollongong: 23,000
- capacity for 2027 RWC: 30,000-35,000+++

*Brisbane is trying to get the 2032 Olympics, if successful then good chsnce this stadium would be built in time to host both events, if Olympic bid unsuccessful then good chance suncorp stadium will be expanded.
** Canberra will get a venue, just depends on whether the new stadium is ready or not to which one is used.
*** newcastle council and state gov have already hinted that this stadium will get lts temporary end stands like proposed in Australias failed 2010 world cup bid if it's chosen and used for womens world cup and rugby world cup.
+ this stadium was built so that it can easily have temporary stand added OR permanent stand built.
++ I left out Adelaide oval as its in a state where rugby union is not popular at all and thus including a stadium that will have poor viewing for a city and state that doesn't even like the game i think should be avoided if possible. Only thing it has going for it is capacity.
+++ this stadium was suggested by council To receive an eastern stand (temporary or permanent) built if it was chosen to host big sporting events like the female world cup or rugby world cup. This stand along with a new southern stand (which is in the works to be done in Future) would Create a beautiful 30,000+ all seated stadium in the most picturesque location, that's why I thought the need to include it
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Old January 31st, 2020, 08:45 PM   #3
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If Australia uses the stadiums I suggested the world cup has the potential to get average crowds between 40,000 - 45,000 during the group stages,

and if the quarter finals were played at the most likely venues of sydney, Melbourne, perth and brisbane then the quarters have the potential to average around 60,000 - 61,000.

The semis between 63,000 - 65,000
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I feel Australia are almost certain to get the next one, if they go for it. They have an over supply of good stadia and god knows the game in that country needs a kick up the backside.

Would love for Argentina to host but dont think they have any top class stadiums. Security and general country instability might be detrimental as well.

What about Italy? Its a shame they pulled out of 2023 as they would surely get some decent support, the game is high profile enough thanks to the 6 Nations, Pro14, and European Rugby Challenge Cup. Handy location for supporters from other European nations to fly in for a game or two, the crowds would surely be sufficient to meet whatever standards the IRB/WR have for hosting.
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Old February 2nd, 2020, 08:26 PM   #5
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I hope that politics will not become an obstacle in choosing the country of the organizer of the tournament.Russia needs a push for the development of rugby.The infrastructure is completely ready.Russia needs RWC))
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I feel Australia are almost certain to get the next one, if they go for it. They have an over supply of good stadia and god knows the game in that country needs a kick up the backside.

Would love for Argentina to host but dont think they have any top class stadiums. Security and general country instability might be detrimental as well.

What about Italy? Its a shame they pulled out of 2023 as they would surely get some decent support, the game is high profile enough thanks to the 6 Nations, Pro14, and European Rugby Challenge Cup. Handy location for supporters from other European nations to fly in for a game or two, the crowds would surely be sufficient to meet whatever standards the IRB/WR have for hosting.
Italy is in the Northern Hemisphere like France, Japan and England so even if Italy bids for 2027 RWC, IRB will most likely choose a country from the southern hemisphere. So Australia will definitely be favourites and if South Africa also bids then I think it will be a good fight between Australia and South Africa to be host.
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I hope that politics will not become an obstacle in choosing the country of the organizer of the tournament.Russia needs a push for the development of rugby.The infrastructure is completely ready.Russia needs RWC))
2027 is definitely out of the question. If World Rugby decides to award 2027 and 2031 at the same time, it looks like 2035 will be the earliest Russia could host...

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Russia may not host in the Four Year Period, or bid for or be granted in the Four Year Period, the right to host (whether during or after the Four Year Period) any editions of the Major Events.
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Unless Russia successfully appeals its ban, it can't host and I don't think World Rugby will be able to accept its bid. Unfortunately for Russian Rugby, people above them in Russia's own sports administration (and in government) have screwed them over.

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More broadly, Bill Beaumont has implied 2027 could go to an emerging Rugby nation (similar to 2019), rather than a powerhouse. That would rule Australia out. That would leave a scrap between Argentina, Italy and the USA I would think.
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How many venues does this event require, and what are the desired capacity ranges for each round?
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“World Rugby requires for a country to host a Rugby World Cup, it must possess the necessary facilities. Stadiums must have a capacity at least 15,000, with the stadium for the final having a capacity of at least 60,000. The stadiums have other requirements, such as pitch size and floodlighting.”
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How many venues does this event require, and what are the desired capacity ranges for each round?
Good question. Cant imagine there's a fixed number but with 40-50 games on offer you'd be mad not to spread it around.

Ireland's bid for 2023 had less than 10 venues I think, with maybe 3 in Dublin.
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Good question. Cant imagine there's a fixed number but with 40-50 games on offer you'd be mad not to spread it around.

Ireland's bid for 2023 had less than 10 venues I think, with maybe 3 in Dublin.
France has 9 venues I think.
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This post has several of the likely stadiums that would be used in the future potential Australia rugby world cup so I thought it would be worthwhile posting here...

[QUOTE=HoldenV8;164958926]The 13 venues for Australia and New Zealand's joint bid for the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup have been announced:

AUSTRALIA

Stadium Australia, Sydney - 70,000. World Cup Final host.


New Sydney Football Stadium - 42,512


Melbourne Rectangular Stadium - 30,052


Brisbane Stadium - 52,263


Newcastle Stadium - 29,945 currently,.potentislly 35/40k after upgrade (2nd pic)


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