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Old January 19th, 2017, 09:58 AM   #61
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And NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF MAR ROXAS HAS NOT STOPPED THE ORIGINAL COMMON STATION AND JOSEPH EMILIO AGUINALDO ABAYA DID NOT MOVE IT TO FAVOUR THE AYALAS!

Mauuna pa pala si Al Vitangcol kaysa sa Bayan Muna when it comes to the court battles. And Al has a taste of vengeance for the DOTr given what the previous administration did to him...
This project will be forever stuck in limbo
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:03 AM   #63
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So much greenery in the render. :p
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #64
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Wait lang. Once the Common Station is constructed, ano mangyayari sa current MRT North Avenue Station?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #65
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And NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF MAR ROXAS HAS NOT STOPPED THE ORIGINAL COMMON STATION AND JOSEPH EMILIO AGUINALDO ABAYA DID NOT MOVE IT TO FAVOUR THE AYALAS!
true...

even so, why won't they just let it go already? ok naman na kay SM eh
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:05 AM   #66
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Well the DOTr can simply go to the Supreme Court and say, "the previous administration made a mistake in the LRT1 SEP contract, please void it" and proceed to build the Common Station at its original site.

This will alleviate the concerns of Al Vitangcol and Bayan Muna and satisfy those, including myself, that the Common Station will be built where it belongs. Sure it will throw Ayala under the bus but everyone else, including the other companies involved, would be happy and have some advantage. DPWH will still have their flyover, SMC will have the original MRT7 design, and the public can have their station much sooner than 2019 since its easier to build the original one than the new one...
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:10 AM   #67
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Wait lang. Once the Common Station is constructed, ano mangyayari sa current MRT North Avenue Station?
may nakita ako simple na render before, nakasulat sa north avenue station parang "Former" station-ish, so it might get demolished?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:10 AM   #68
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DPWH will still have their flyover
Ito yung hindi mashado nababalita sa ngayon.

Remember, NEDA has approved this project.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:14 AM   #69
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even so, why won't they just let it go already? ok naman na kay SM eh
Hindi pa okay kay SM. SM will have to like the DED. If they don't like it, TRO pa rin. Plus Al Vitangcol and Bayan Muna (as per their partylist mandate) have their own reasons. Again, we are in a democracy and everybody is entitled due process. So if individuals, groups or organizations have a greviance, then they have a right to have a day in court. If the DOTr did make a legal mistake on this Common Station issue, then its no one's fault but their own.

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Ito yung hindi mashado nababalita sa ngayon.

Remember, NEDA has approved this project.
Yun pa. Ang dami nga rush rush hush hush. We in our casual viewing are already seeing misinformation like this morning in the Failon Ngayon show wherein Cherrie Mercado stated false figures. What more when more audits and investigations start happening. For all we know, there could be an unexpected hidden road block deep inside the process that simply no one knows about and may come up a few months from now, patay pa rin ang Common Station. Ang gulo talaga ang ginawa ni Joseph Emilio Aguinaldo Abaya..
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:16 AM   #70
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kung matapos ito atmaging operational na, will the mrt-3 and lrt-1 be a seamless line na?
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Yan ang magandang tanong... na gustung-gusto ko talagang mangyari. LRT-1 and MRT-3 have the same rail gauge, but the platforms are not the same which may require rework to accommodate both lines' trainsets.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:25 AM   #72
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kung matapos ito atmaging operational na, will the mrt-3 and lrt-1 be a seamless line na?
Technically they can but because of ownership issues, they won't. Maybe in the far distant future once all these PPP agreements expire. MRT3 will expire I think 2022 but LRMC was fairly recent so wait 25 years or so....then maybe we can do seamless...
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:35 AM   #73
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wow, the problems from this issue is way deeper than I thought
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:44 AM   #74
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With the projected traffic of 80k passengers per hour, this is not unlikely to happen if the old design is implemented.
What is the floor area of the original design of common station?

On average, 6-7k passengers per 5 minutes.

At the worst case scenario, say double ng average yun nasa station area so 12k-14k persons. Kasya ba sa station?

Just thinking out loud here. I'm no expert. Just trying to have an idea sa size nun original design vs the compromise.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #75
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Well the DOTr can simply go to the Supreme Court and say, "the previous administration made a mistake in the LRT1 SEP contract, please void it" and proceed to build the Common Station at its original site.

This will alleviate the concerns of Al Vitangcol and Bayan Muna and satisfy those, including myself, that the Common Station will be built where it belongs. Sure it will throw Ayala under the bus but everyone else, including the other companies involved, would be happy and have some advantage. DPWH will still have their flyover, SMC will have the original MRT7 design, and the public can have their station much sooner than 2019 since its easier to build the original one than the new one...
That's some wishful thinking my friend but I have concerns whether the original design of the common station can handle the volume of passengers in the next 5 years.
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Alvarez: P2.8-billion MRT-LRT common station too expensive

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"Masyadong malaki 'yung cost para… kasi kung ngayon kung titingnan natin, halos ano na iyan, privately-run na 'yan, 'yung mga train na 'yan. Ngayon ang tanong, 'yung proposal ba doon sa common station ay 'yun ba ang para sa convenience ng passengers?" the House Speaker said in a radio interview.

(The cost is too high. If we look at it now, the trains are mostly privately-run. Now the question is, is the proposal for the common station for the convenience of passengers?)

"Titingnan nating mabuti 'yan sa Congress kung papayagan natin," he added. (We will examine closely in Congress if we will allow it.)
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Presidential Commission for the Urban Poor (PCUP) Chairperson Terry Ridon, however, criticized the project and said it was not a "true common station."

Ridon said the government must construct a "real common station" that would not compel the commuters to walk further before transferring stations.

Under the proposed design, Area A is at least 48 meters away from Area C. Area A is where the platform for the LRT1 and MRT3 are located while Area C is for the MRT7 platform. The two areas are connected by Area B.

"Long commutes not only take a huge chunk of these workers' salaries, but also take a huge toll in their physical and emotional well-being. The least that the government can do, particularly the DOTr, is to lessen their commuting problems by creating a seamless common station between all 3 rail lines," Ridon said.

"This is practically a no-win solution if they will be compelled to walk a longer way than simply transferring train lines at another level in a true common station," he added.
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MRT is too small for the volume in 10 years. The main problem is the capacity of the MRT3 system. Even with a 4 car train 2.5 minutes headway, the maximum capacity per hour I read it somewhere is around 40000/hour.

The long lines is due to using less train with higher headway 5-15 minutes and running it slower causing passengers to build up. We can all blame DOTr for the poor maintenance.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 01:18 PM   #78
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This was tackled again in TV Patrol, including snips from the Failon Ngayon discussion earlier in the day. One new info is yet a third potential lawsuit wherein the "Lawyer of Commuter Safety", presumably this is an NGO, is looking to see if they can stop this and force the original plan. If ABS-CBN will upload a clip in Youtube, I will post it when available.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 02:11 PM   #79
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Siguro medyo ingat tayo sa mga nilalabas ng Bayan Muna, alam naman natin na shady ang background nyan sa "pakikialam" sa government issues, lalong-lalo na si Renato Reyes.

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Ridon said the government must construct a "real common station" that would not compel the commuters to walk further before transferring stations.
Nakapunta na ba to sa ibang bansa? Hindi nya alam ang sinasabi nya.

Ay, si Terry Ridon pala yan alams na dis
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Old January 19th, 2017, 03:02 PM   #80
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Hmmm I wonder what is Ayala's hidden plan for that open parking in the middle of the common station... I bet if construction starts, we'll probably see a Ayala mall complex in that middle section probabaly filled with F&B stalls...
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