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Old November 12th, 2019, 09:09 PM   #1201
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On the other hand, with the metro at both Flintholm (to the airport and Amager) and Nørrebro (to Brokvarterene) must S-train passengers from Roskilde necessarily get into Copenhagen H and cram Røret these days?


Flintholm is not far off from Hvidovre/Danshøj, but the F-line can't get directly to the western main line.
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Old November 14th, 2019, 10:45 PM   #1202
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On the other hand, with the metro at both Flintholm (to the airport and Amager) and Nørrebro (to Brokvarterene) must S-train passengers from Roskilde necessarily get into Copenhagen H and cram Røret these days?


Flintholm is not far off from Hvidovre/Danshøj, but the F-line can't get directly to the western main line.
you mean to get to the Airport? Technically KBH H is before the tunnel, but yes. The point of the Ring-syd proposal is to allow Roskilde (Western mainline) passengers to get to the airport without getting into the city and setting up Ny Ellebjerg as a second main railways station for Copenhagen.

The plans for the Ørestad / Tårnby / Airport line are also set. Ørestad is getting 4 tracks with the Ring-syd proposal. The Airport station is also proposed to get 4 tracks to separate stopping for regional and long-distance trains. - once Fehmarn opens. Currently there are 2 tracks that do not stop at the airport. The proposal will have a new "High Speed Rail Station" built on these tracks

F line stops are Danshøj station so one could transfer there to the Western mainline.

To be honest, I am not sure what the goal is with the proposal to extend the F line to the airport. Who are we concerned about - who are we trying to serve? Yes, the tunnel in central copenhagen is at capacity, as is the central station, and the region is addressing this by sending more traffic through Ny Ellebjerg (at least for now).

Ring Syd will help those on the western main line to get to the airport without getting to central copenhagen. The new metro gives people living in central Copenhagen multiple options to get to the airport (Metro from, Frederiksberg, Nørreport, or Kongens Nytorv or trains from any of the three central stations.

Anyone on the F line will in the future be able to go to Ny Ellebjerg and transfer to a regional train to get to the airport without entering the city (of course they can also take M2 at Flintholm). Those on the M4 will be able to do the same for yet another option proving resiliency to the airport connection.
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Old November 15th, 2019, 07:42 AM   #1203
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I took the new circle line for the first time about a week ago. My hotel was by Raadhusplass and instead of taking the train to the airport, I took the metro to Kongens Nytorv and switched to the metro line to the airport.

It was a Sunday and there were a number of tourists that I saw struggling with the same route I choose. The main problem was with the ticket machine at the Raadhusplass. There was only one machine in the whole station that sells tickets for visitors (there were enough for the resjekort that locals use). I had checked out the station before using it and saw that the one ticket machine for visitors kept breaking down and they had to use the emergency phone and were told to take the metro without a ticket and buy a ticket at Kongens Nytorv. I'm surprised that there is only one such ticket machine at such a central station. I had to buy my ticket at Kongens Nytorv as well, but there was more than one ticket machine there for me to use.

It's also annoying that a visitor can't buy a couple of single tickets in advance to avoid waiting in line each time to use the Metro because the tickets are activated upon purchase. Most Metro systems allow you to activate single tickets upon use. The resjekort is not a good option for visitors and the 24-hour ticket doesn't always make sense.

The other issue I saw was transferring at Kongens Nytorv. The signage wasn't very good. The signs were very discrete and all were at eye level along the wall. It was not obvious when it was necessary to take the escalator. Some large signs, higher up, would be helpful for visitors trying to navigate through the busy interchange.
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Old November 22nd, 2019, 09:10 PM   #1204
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The TBM for the Southern Harbor extension (5 stations) arrived in Copenhagen today. The line should open in 2025 if all goes according to plan.

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Sydhavnens cutting head has arrived:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jakob...047143936-Rki8



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Old November 26th, 2019, 01:33 AM   #1205
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Well its only the first drilling head and not the whole TBM

And there should also be a second TBM on the way.
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Old November 26th, 2019, 03:05 PM   #1206
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Well its only the first drilling head and not the whole TBM

And there should also be a second TBM on the way.
Yes indeed.

In related news:

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The first TBM for Sydhavnen is being assembled:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/henri...235766785-WV84







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Old November 28th, 2019, 04:04 PM   #1207
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More Sydhavn updates .. this time drone videos!

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A trove of Drove videos from Sydhavn was posted by Metro on Youtube

Havneholmen


Enghave Brygge


Sluseholmen


Mozarts Plads


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Ny Ellebjerg
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Old December 9th, 2019, 03:02 PM   #1208
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The new expanded Metro system seems to be settling into ridership numbers. M3 carried a little over 4M passengers both in October and November, and we're seeing perhaps 500k additional riders on M1/M2 in November.

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No press release on precise numbers yet, but the passengertal graphic was updated on m.dk and M3 numbers hold steady (possibly even a little up) from October to November.

https://m.dk/om-metroen/metroen-i-tal/passagertal/



As pointed out in the general transport thread, M1/M2 are seeing a rapid growth in usage, one can likely attribute to the M3 synergy.

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Cityringen's impact on M1/M2 ridership is becoming more pronounced. It seems November numbers approached 6,5M riders. up about 500k from 2018


https://m.dk/om-metroen/metroen-i-tal/passagertal/

I expect November numbers for Cityringen on Monday .. hopefully
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Old December 9th, 2019, 09:21 PM   #1209
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Do you have information about the amount of passengers of S-tog Linie F? I mean, did it decrease after the opening of M3?
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Old December 10th, 2019, 06:53 PM   #1210
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Do you have information about the amount of passengers of S-tog Linie F? I mean, did it decrease after the opening of M3?
I have only seen annual and very hig-level numbers from DSB, which besides operating S-trains operates the mainline services in Denmark, Øresundståg to Sweden and regional trains around Copenhagen.

I would not expect a dip, the ring was deliberately built in a way to complement the S-tog without competing with it. I cannot think of many situations (besides city - to - Norrebro St. (which would can be accomplished by S-train but the 5C was always the better option) where the new metro would compete with the S-trains and Line F specifically.
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Old December 10th, 2019, 07:02 PM   #1211
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How much did the bus system change with the completion of the new circular (kind of) subway line?
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Old December 10th, 2019, 11:57 PM   #1212
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How much did the bus system change with the completion of the new circular (kind of) subway line?
Its was changed completely, with only 1 exception- Line 5C remained the same as before. All other main lines are more or less new.
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Old December 11th, 2019, 12:55 PM   #1213
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Some updates from the Sydhavn metro.

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Second TBM for Sydhavn being assembled



https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tina-...967689728-qErf
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Old December 12th, 2019, 08:19 AM   #1214
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Here is a good article on the CNN.com travel section about the M3 Cityring line. It includes a photo gallery talks about the construction challenges of building the line.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/m...ark/index.html
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Old January 7th, 2020, 10:14 PM   #1215
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Finally some M4 news


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The 2 new tbm's are called Inge and Olivia after a scientist and a Woman who fighted for womens union rights.


https://m.dk/nyheder/inge-og-olivia-...oens-tunneler/


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Old January 10th, 2020, 06:30 PM   #1216
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The entire M3 Cityringen will shut down in 2 weeks between 12th January and 26th January due to test driving on the new M4 line between Orientkaj and København H.


There will be replacement buses called metro buses going every 4-8 minutes during rush hours. There is still no official date for when the M4 Nordhavnslinjen will open, but it's likely it will be in February.

Source: https://dinoffentligetransport.dk/ny...ker-i-to-uger/
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Old January 11th, 2020, 04:32 PM   #1217
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Why not leave the line open, but have the "M4" trains run a partial service between Osterport and Kobenhavn H?
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Old January 12th, 2020, 11:31 AM   #1218
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The computer system need to be tested and that includes the existing lines. This was the fastest way they could do it instead of closing at night for many weeks or months.

With nightly closures they also risked that the computer system wouldn't "downgrade" correctly from the M4 upgrade they would test, leading to cancellations in the morning rush hour.
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Why not leave the line open, but have the "M4" trains run a partial service between Osterport and Kobenhavn H?


That wouldn’t leave the M3 undisturbed. Østerport has only two platform tracks to be shared between M3 and M4, so turning Østerport into a terminus station would probably not be a simple task. A rather similar situation exists at the København H temporary terminus, by the way.
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Old January 12th, 2020, 04:06 PM   #1220
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I don't get it why the entire M3 Cityringen has to be shut down if they are just test driving the M4 line between Østerport and København H.

It doesn't make any sense. The other 11 stations will not be bothered, so why not have the M3 line open between Enghave Plads and Triangeln in both directions?

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