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Old June 16th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #221
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The station portico [re]development has the honour of being the lead story in the latest issue of the eye's Nooks and Corners. Highly recommended.
Could you please offer a brief summary?! Is it critical of NCC?

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Old June 16th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #222
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Could you please offer a brief summary?! Is it critical of NCC?
It wouldn't appear to be that complimentary, what i presume is an excerpt, on their website:

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"For a century and a half this porte-cochère has been Newcastle’s gateway. Arriving or departing passengers have been able to board or alight from taxis protected from the weather inside this impressive, functional structure which enhances both the experience and the city. But no longer.

Some bright spark has noticed that it offers yet another retail opportunity, so, after minimal public consultation, Network Rail and East Coast railways are going to glaze in the arches ‘to create a dramatic new public and retail space’…”
From here.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #223
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I do agree with PE. This scheme is a travesty. It's simply not needed, and will cause all sorts of mayhem in terms of traffic flow and travellers getting soaked as they walk for a taxi! Will have to pick up a copy.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #224
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I'm best not copying it onto here - copyright and all that. You can assume it's highly uncomplimentary.
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'......In Newcastle a grand and existing public space is being sealed off and given over to shops. Nice as it may be to have better coffee shops and the opportunity to buy, say, socks, this scarcely benefits the railway passenger. But how naive to think that the central purpose of a railway station is to make travelling and easy, enjoyable and elevating experience...
Gives a flavour.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #225
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I get the impression that the website at the other end of that link has been updated as I can't find that story. Saying that, I get the general gist of it.

I think they're right too. It seems that increasingly, wherever you look, everyone's trying to sell you something. Yet no one's noticed that also increasingly, no one's buying...

A great example is the Southbank Centre trying to turf out the skate park that has been beneath it for decades now. A genuine, organic piece of culture turfed out to be replaced with yet another coffee shop.

http://www.londonskateparks.co.uk/skateparks/southbank/

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Old June 16th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #226
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Thing is, using the existing porte cochere is anything but 'enjoyable and elevating'. The damn thing's a hole.

I've got nothing against making it a passenger concourse per se except that the new traffic (mis)management scheme is a seriously retrograde and inconvenient step. I refer to the ludicrous re-routing of cars using the Westgate Road approach to Neville St and the circuitous route into the short-stay/drop off car park. On that basis I'd prefer to see the portico cleaned and generally spruced up but otherwise retained as-is.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #227
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I'm sure that if the porte cochere had always been an extension of the concourse, plans to dig up the floor, tarmac it over and open it up for taxis and drop-offs would cause an absolute outcry.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #228
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I'm perfectly happy to have cafes and sock shops. Compared with other major stations the facilities at Newcastle are somewhat sparse. But far better make use of the long and (I presume) largely unused, range of offices that form part of the original building, as Sainsbury's did.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 01:48 AM   #229
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It's always been a really great end to a train journey to be stuck on an enclosed space choking on taxi fumes in a scruffy area. How date anyone try and change that
I wonder if the person writing this critical article could find Newcastle on a map.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 02:07 AM   #230
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It's always been a really great end to a train journey to be stuck on an enclosed space choking on taxi fumes in a scruffy area. How date anyone try and change that
I wonder if the person writing this critical article could find Newcastle on a map.
There's enough detail in the piece that that I suspect he might.....[by the way his real name is Gavin Stamp].

My reservation on the project has nothing to do with the splendid public space that will be created. I use the station a reasonable amount myself and it might be a nice place for a coffee too.

My concern is that buildings don't sit in isolation and that it's causing a fair degree of traffic chaos and will continue to do so. It will be more of a trek for a cab [the drivers of which are charged terrifying sums for pick up permits], just like the elderly chap I saw there on coming back from London a week or so ago. He was clearly used to Newcastle, was using a walking frame and expected to be able to get a cab from under the portico... and couldn't.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 08:41 PM   #231
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Central Station Disruption - 1979

Couple of old prints from 1979 showing the last major disruption to the flow of traffic when the Metro Station was being constructed.




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Old June 23rd, 2013, 12:04 AM   #232
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Some other photos of the disruption to, and around, the Portico during construction of the 'Central Station Underground Station' in the late 1970s, first shown on this forum in October and November 2009 . . .

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Here is the MASSIVE amount of disruption around Central Station Portico, during Metro construction in the late 1970s . . .



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They had to dismantle part of the Portico, then rebuild it, to build the underground Metro Station!

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Old June 23rd, 2013, 10:25 AM   #233
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Wow, some serious disruption there!
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 06:42 PM   #234
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I am sure this has been covered in this thread before but.... no wonder the cabbies are spitting blood. Had cause to go to Orchard St Post Office today and discovered the 'new' taxi rank is behind the station on Forth St where a series of bays have been changed from parking to taxi. So instead of leading the station and getting into a cab [see most of the rest of the world] I have to walk out of the station and do 3 sides of a fairly large square....

Here's a business proposition - we club together and lease a shop in front of the station, put a great big sign in the window saying taxis and have people come into the warm to wait until their [cheaper] private hire car pulls up.

I d not realised quite how far away the rank was
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Here's a business proposition - we club together and lease a shop in front of the station, put a great big sign in the window saying taxis and have people come into the warm to wait until their [cheaper] private hire car pulls up.
If NCC/the authorities responsible don't change things, you'd make a fortune.

It's also insane to not be able to get a taxi outside the train station, as you can pretty much everywhere else on the planet.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 07:46 PM   #236
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Isn't it just a temporary measure though until the works are completed, i.e. the taxis will be closer to the station when it's done?
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I am sure this has been covered in this thread before but.... no wonder the cabbies are spitting blood. Had cause to go to Orchard St Post Office today and discovered the 'new' taxi rank is behind the station on Forth St where a series of bays have been changed from parking to taxi. So instead of leading the station and getting into a cab [see most of the rest of the world] I have to walk out of the station and do 3 sides of a fairly large square
Isn't that the waiting area? I thought the taxi pick-up was to the east of the portico?
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 09:27 PM   #238
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Isn't that the waiting area? I thought the taxi pick-up was to the east of the portico?
I don t know - it certainly seems to 'signed' as a taxi rank. I ll try and get pics tomorrow.
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Taxis just use that area to rank as well as the usual one in the tunnel (not sure why they need that much space - FYI they also use the entrance of the road to the sorting office to turn around in and have blocked the entrance on a couple of occasions that I've passed). The pickup point is in an area just next to the left of the entrance to Centurion. Still, I get your point about waiting outside though its nowhere near as much of a walk as you think!
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:18 AM   #240
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I'm sure the local taxi firm will be open to rent some of the space that will be available to retailers in the portico, it's up to them to take up some space and use it as booking office and waiting area. If not then why complain?
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