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Old March 23rd, 2013, 07:10 PM   #21
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The Greyhound - Pitt Street

Thought I might take some photographs of The Greyhound on Pitt Street before it meets its fate and is redeveloped into living accommodation for students (Planning Meeting decision pernding).

The Greyhound was rebuilt ion 1899, becoming a Bass house in 1958 and subsequently sold off in 1982 when purchased by Jennings Bros of Workington and renamed the Cumberland Wrestler. In 1990 its name was again changed to The Milburn (when taken over by Scottish and Newcastle Breweries) but it changed back to its original name in recent years.

Plans are currently with Newcastle City Council and the application is due to be discussed at the next Planning Committee Meeting, 28th March 2013.

2013/0077/01/DET | Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 17 studios and external alterations | The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST.
Reference 2013/0077/01/DET
Alternative Reference PP-02331808
Application Received Thu 29 Nov 2012
Address The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST
Proposal Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 17 studios and external alterations
Status Pending Consideration
http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=ME9B7BBSAP000

The City Officers are recommending refusal of the application on these grounds:

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1. The proposed conversion works including cladding and external alterations to the property, the dormer roof extension, the internal layout of the proposed studio flats and the refuse storage arrangements are all considered to the detrimental to the character of the area and of the host building which fail to demonstrate a high quality design and to be detrimental to the amenity of occupants of the development and fails to add to the overall quality of the area contrary to National Planning Policy Framework and saved Unitary Development Plan policies EN1.1, H2 and H4.












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Old March 23rd, 2013, 08:25 PM   #22
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Pitt Street Flats

The Pitt Street flats are now demolished.

This shot taken last year:



These shots taken today - 23r5d March 2013:












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Old March 23rd, 2013, 08:51 PM   #23
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14 - 16 Pitt Street - Student Accomodation

2012/1429/01/DET | Demolition of existing storage buildings and erection of 6, 7 and 8 storeys student housing scheme including 12 bedsits (Class C3). and 28 flats accommodating 3-6 bedrooms (Class C4), ) with associated cycle parking and plant as supplemented by e mails received 9 January 2013. | 14-16 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5SU

Reference 2012/1429/01/DET
Alternative Reference PP-02275227
Application Received Tue 30 Oct 2012
Address 14-16 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5SU
Proposal Demolition of existing storage buildings and erection of 6, 7 and 8 storeys student housing scheme including 12 bedsits (Class C3). and 28 flats accommodating 3-6 bedrooms (Class C4), ) with associated cycle parking and plant as supplemented by e mails received 9 January 2013.
Status Granted Conditionally
http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=MCPU3CBSAP000

Present site as at 23rd March 2013:





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Old March 23rd, 2013, 09:41 PM   #24
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Hill Court Demolition

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There were plans to develop student accommodation on the site but that has recently been withdrawn.
Hill Court was managed by YHN but now as we see above is demolished.
The facility was the emergency accommodation for the city council.
The newly built replacement facility is called Cherry Tree View (Wentworth Court) off Elswick Road.

http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=M9TF6XBS09700

I understood the plan was to simply grass over the area although could be a development opportunity for NCC if they wanted to sell the land?

The student accommodation plan now withdrawn was on the other side of Pitt Street and was to overlook Sintons on Barrack Road who objected.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 11:14 PM   #25
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Hill Court was managed by YHN but now as we see above is demolished.
The facility was the emergency accommodation for the city council.
The newly built replacement facility is called Cherry Tree View (Wentworth Court) off Elswick Road.

http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=M9TF6XBS09700

I understood the plan was to simply grass over the area although could be a development opportunity for NCC if they wanted to sell the land?

The student accommodation plan now withdrawn was on the other side of Pitt Street and was to overlook Sintons on Barrack Road who objected.
Yes I see that now - the refusal was on the other side of the road , corner site, Wellington Street and Pitt Lane junction.

I remember when the residents affected by the recent floods in Newburn were offered accommodation in Hill Court they turned their noses up at it.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 11:31 PM   #26
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Don't blame them!

The flats were built in 1974 so really were not fit for social housing nowadays.

Of course there is also a plan for a block St James' Point? on the 'Magpie Club' corner so this whole compact Pitt Street area could have become very built up if all potential schemes were realised.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #27
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Greyhound public house to student accommodation, Pitt St, Newcastle

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Thought I might take some photographs of The Greyhound on Pitt Street before it meets its fate and is redeveloped into living accommodation for students (Planning Meeting decision pernding).

The Greyhound was rebuilt ion 1899, becoming a Bass house in 1958 and subsequently sold off in 1982 when purchased by Jennings Bros of Workington and renamed the Cumberland Wrestler. In 1990 its name was again changed to The Milburn (when taken over by Scottish and Newcastle Breweries) but it changed back to its original name in recent years.

Plans are currently with Newcastle City Council and the application is due to be discussed at the next Planning Committee Meeting, 28th March 2013.

2013/0077/01/DET | Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 17 studios and external alterations | The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST.
Reference 2013/0077/01/DET
Alternative Reference PP-02331808
Application Received Thu 29 Nov 2012
Address The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST
Proposal Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 17 studios and external alterations
Status Pending Consideration
http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=ME9B7BBSAP000

The City Officers are recommending refusal of the application on these grounds:
This is scheme taken from Planning Documentation (hosted on Photobucket)



Had taken similar pictures as Steve on 5 and 10/02/13 but was waiting until Planning Decision was made before posting

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Old March 24th, 2013, 07:20 PM   #28
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Don't blame them!

The flats were built in 1974 so really were not fit for social housing nowadays.

Of course there is also a plan for a block St James' Point? on the 'Magpie Club' corner so this whole compact Pitt Street area could have become very built up if all potential schemes were realised.
In what way were they not suitable, not built to a high enough standard or needing repairs?
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Old March 26th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #29
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Pitt Street, Newcastle - demolition of 5 storey blocks of flats now complete and clearance in progress, 25/03/13

Thompsons of Prudhoe are now in process of consolidating debris/clearing the site area following the demolition of the 5 storey blocks of Pitt St shown in my earlier post # 287 of 08/03/13 (and shown subsequent other posts in Student Accommodation thread) and one of their machines loaded on transporter to be taken off site

These pictures taken by myself 25/03/13 approx 1615




















A big difference in 17 days

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Also posted into Student Accommodation thread due its near location

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Old March 27th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #30
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My old man reckons that when he was a kid in the 1930s, there were gates at the top and bottom of Pitt Street, and the police used to lock the residents in of an evening.
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Pitt Street, Newcastle - demolition of 5 storey blocks of flats now complete and clearance in progress, 01/04/13

Follow up to post #186 of 25/03/13

Thompsons of Prudhoe are now in process of consolidating debris/clearing the site area following the demolition of the 5 storey blocks of Pitt St

These pictures taken by myself Easter Monday 01/04/13 approx 1030 (hosted on Photobucket)















Also posted in "Science City" thread

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Demolition of 1 - 60 Hill Court Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne

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Not sure whether this site was ever destined to be student accommodation, so a little curious as to why it is here?

You are correct on that point Steve

NCC planning portal:-

2012/1144/01/NOD

Notification of Demolition: Demolition of 3 x 5 storeys block of residential flats and grassing over of site

1 - 60 Hill Court, Pitt Street, Newcastle upon Tyne



Think it was inferred in post #148 of 07/11/12 that this would be a Student Development site hence its inclusion in this thread since that time

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You are correct on that point Steve

NCC planning portal:-

2012/1144/01/NOD

Notification of Demolition: Demolition of 3 x 5 storeys block of residential flats and grassing over of site

1 - 60 Hill Court, Pitt Street, Newcastle upon Tyne



Think it was inferred in post #148 of 07/11/12 that this would be a Student Development site hence its inclusion in this thread since that time

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Yes I think perhaps that we have become confused with the proposal for student accommodation on the other side of Pitt Street, subsequently withdrawn - 18 Pitt Street if I remember correctly.

Mind its easy to fall into the trap of assuming that any changes these days are for student accommodation
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 06:07 PM   #34
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The Greyhound - Pitt Street

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Thought I might take some photographs of The Greyhound on Pitt Street before it meets its fate and is redeveloped into living accommodation for students (Planning Meeting decision pernding).

The Greyhound was rebuilt ion 1899, becoming a Bass house in 1958 and subsequently sold off in 1982 when purchased by Jennings Bros of Workington and renamed the Cumberland Wrestler. In 1990 its name was again changed to The Milburn (when taken over by Scottish and Newcastle Breweries) but it changed back to its original name in recent years.

Plans are currently with Newcastle City Council and the application is due to be discussed at the next Planning Committee Meeting, 28th March 2013.

2013/0077/01/DET | Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 17 studios and external alterations | The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST.
Reference 2013/0077/01/DET
Alternative Reference PP-02331808
Application Received Thu 29 Nov 2012
Address The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST
Proposal Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 17 studios and external alterations
Status Pending Consideration
http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=ME9B7BBSAP000


I see this Planning Application was refused today

PARTICULARS OF DECISION


Date of Decision: 3 April 2013

Planning permission refused for the following reasons:


1 The proposed conversion works including cladding and external alterations to the property, the dormer roof extension, the internal layout of the proposed studio flats and the refuse storage arrangements are all considered to the detrimental to the character of the area and of the host building which fail to demonstrate a high quality design and to be detrimental to the amenity of occupants of the development and fails to add to the overall quality of the area contrary to National Planning Policy Framework and saved Unitary Development Plan policies EN1.1, H2 and H4.
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March 23rd 2013.

Of course there is also a plan for a building on the 'Magpie Club' corner, so this whole compact Pitt Street area could have become very built up if all potential schemes were realised.
Further to the above, about building planned for Magpie Corner on Barrack Road.

That area is now fenced off (as of 9th April) and tonight there was a digger on there and some ground work had been done.



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I see this Planning Application was refused today

PARTICULARS OF DECISION


Date of Decision: 3 April 2013

Planning permission refused for the following reasons:


1 The proposed conversion works including cladding and external alterations to the property, the dormer roof extension, the internal layout of the proposed studio flats and the refuse storage arrangements are all considered to the detrimental to the character of the area and of the host building which fail to demonstrate a high quality design and to be detrimental to the amenity of occupants of the development and fails to add to the overall quality of the area contrary to National Planning Policy Framework and saved Unitary Development Plan policies EN1.1, H2 and H4.
I see there has been a re-submission on this property:

2013/0469/01/DET | Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 14 studios and external alterations including the erection of dormer windows to south and east elevation | The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST

Reference 2013/0469/01/DET
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Application Received Wed 10 Apr 2013
Address The Greyhound 70 Pitt Street Newcastle upon Tyne NE4 5ST
Proposal Change of use of Greyhound public house to student accommodation (Class C3) accommodating 14 studios and external alterations including the erection of dormer windows to south and east elevation
Status Pending Consideration
http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...=ML1LPNBSAP000
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Old April 20th, 2013, 11:47 AM   #37
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That is site preparation work for St James' Point on the site of the former Magpie Club.

More student flats!

Document from NCC on work to be done http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk...RKS-406015.pdf

Is that TWO different developments near St James' Park, with the same name of "St James' Point" (?) . . .

St James' Point | Newcastle | 7fl | Approved
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Is that TWO different developments near St James' Park, with the same name of "St James' Point" (?) . . .

St James' Point | Newcastle | 7fl | Approved
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=981880
Yes it is!

All this has been covered elsewhere on this Forum but not sure which thread as various threads/topics get interwoven!

Will have to see what the eventual name is but looks like this block is definitely going up on Pitt Street.

We nearly needed a new thread for Pitt Street itself as there has been so much going on there!
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Yes it is!

All this has been covered elsewhere on this Forum but not sure which thread as various threads/topics get interwoven!

Will have to see what the eventual name is but looks like this block is definitely going up on Pitt Street.

We nearly needed a new thread for Pitt Street itself as there has been so much going on there!
Yes quite confusing having two developments carrying the same name but as the one on the former Magpie Pub site will be built first then I assume it will 'win the race' to keep the moniker.

Perhaps even MORE confusing when images keep being added to the Science City Project Thread when its got zilch to do with that Project!

Certainly no movement on the 'other' St James' Point site on the corner of Strawberry Place & St James’ Street. That is the one which currently has its own thread.
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Pitt Street, Newcastle - demolition of 5 storey blocks of flats now complete and clearance in progress, 23/04/13

Follow up to post #332 of 01/04/13

Thompsons of Prudhoe are now in process of removing final area of pavings, consolidating debris/clearing the site area and importing topsoil following the demolition of the 5 storey blocks of Pitt St

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