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Old October 31st, 2018, 10:35 PM   #5281
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I’d like to see this amazing incredible change that is consistently mentioned on this forum about Manchester. I see more change going on in Brum whenever I visit at the moment. There’s a lot going on up here and lots of interesting things happening in the city centre but wow is it overblown.

Anyway congrats to Leeds. Surprise move as the media were consistently banging on about it being a Brum/Manc competition. Nice bit of balance in the “northern powerhouse” for a change.
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With Manchester massively over represented in the national media already it would have been extremely difficult to justify C4 moving there. Given that Bham should really have walked this. Fair play to Leeds, a city I like, but you have to think the message about Bham still isn't changing nationally. It just makes so much more sense surely for C4 to have come to Bham, and yet they still picked somewhere else
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Old October 31st, 2018, 10:42 PM   #5283
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Does anyone think it went beyond competition? We all know Andy Street (B'ham mayor) and Andy Burnham (Man mayor) are fighting for their own city. Behind the scenes I can imagine it to be ruthless between these two cities in particular. Councils, developers, investors doing everything to have one over on each other by playing games, bribes, under cutting and dirty tricks.


Maybe C4 thought the humble offer from Leeds was the best. Would actually be funny and karma for both B'ham and MAN if that was apart of the reason.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 10:49 PM   #5284
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I’d still be interested the hear why Andy Street thought we’d won it a few months back.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 10:56 PM   #5285
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Iíd still be interested the hear why Andy Street thought weíd won it a few months back.
I agree. I thought that was a mistake when I heard it and it has come back to haunt him.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:10 PM   #5286
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Iíd like to see this amazing incredible change that is consistently mentioned on this forum about Manchester. I see more change going on in Brum whenever I visit at the moment. Thereís a lot going on up here and lots of interesting things happening in the city centre but wow is it overblown.

Greengate, Great Jackson Street, Middlewood Locks, Circle Square (former BBC site), Old Granada Studios...have you see the size of these sites all being built on at the same time?

How long have you lived in the area? All the above have been surface car parks/wasteland/empty for as long as I can remember. Just a little £1B expansion of the airport going on too btw along with continuous new tram lines.

I donít mean to hijack the thread, but maybe open your eyes and have some knowledge about what was there before.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:10 PM   #5287
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Andy more than thought. He practically promised and swore. Iím glad people havenít forgotten.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:14 PM   #5288
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And which city complained and pushed back the decision date?
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:16 PM   #5289
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Not confused at all.

City to city Leeds is circa 750k, Manchester about 500k population.

You’ll probably drag up the GM thing now, but that’s not relevant to my point.
A five minute walk around both cities would correct your assertions.

Manchester and Birmingham are both bigger than Leeds. Not talking about useless paper statistics here, but real world. Paper would suggest that London has a population roughly 10% that of Reddich. I think we know that not to be the case.

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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:25 PM   #5290
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Andy more than thought. He practically promised and swore. Iím glad people havenít forgotten.
Can anyone name something tangible that he actually delivered that wasnít already in the pipeline?
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:30 PM   #5291
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Birmingham is marketed astoundingly poorly.

The regions investment name is terrible, the way it goes about seeking inward investment is useless.

I know that the city has been stalling for years. So much so that Iíve given up on it in terms of significant growth to make it any more than it is, a regional city with Ďaspirationsí but not really fulfilling them or doing anything outside of the box.

The council is poorly run, the only option around 3-4 years ago was to make Birmingham solely responsible for itself in terms of investment which would start to filter through to the region but the PC brigade went the opposite way and ****ed it up. Iíve never quite got over what a dumb move it was and can be seen in so many aspects of the cities development. From construction, to media, to office relocations, to amenities.

My word, we have HS2 coming to the city and we have embarrassed ourselves IMO.

The planning committee are contradictive, beaks in every second of the day, theyíre an unimaginative bunch which holds the city back also.

All in all, as previous post, what you see in Birmingham, what you see as progression, is progression, but itís no more than what a city the size of Birmingham should have. There is no boom, there is no reason to brag about it. It is sterile. Itís stagnant. Itís actualky underperforming.

Simple truths. Weak leadership.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:33 PM   #5292
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I donít begrudge Leeds in the slightest - itís a great city - good luck to them.

Weíve got plenty to be positive about (we know the negatives & all cities have them, so weíre not unique in that respect) letís celebrate whatís round the corner - just think - the commonwealth games, HSBC HQ, HS2, 103 Colmore, Arena & Paradise, Axis, various residential talls like Modaís 2on2, the extension of the Tram and the possibility of film studios courtesy of Steven Knight.

As our motto sez - ďForward!Ē
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:33 PM   #5293
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Can anyone name something tangible that he actually delivered that wasnít already in the pipeline?
I think that Andy Street is the right man for the job, but his remarks about C4 were overconfidence gone mad.

He has certainly been very proactive with the Camp Hill line and things appear to be happening. He was probably also a major player in the Commonwealth Games bid.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:35 PM   #5294
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I think that Andy Street is the right man for the job, but his remarks about C4 were overconfidence gone mad.

He has certainly been very proactive with the Camp Hill line and things appear to be happening. He was probably also a major player in the Commonwealth Games bid.
I would imagine what's going on with the railway was already in development back before the WMCA existed.

The only real change is the funding government have rewarded us with in exchange for a mayor and CA.
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I like Andy Street, but he got this wrong. It’s not the end of the world. Plenty of good stuff going on.
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Old October 31st, 2018, 11:40 PM   #5296
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Some people complain about the West Midlands name - well, West Yorkshire has done okay today; Leeds isn't suffering due to that name.

So it seems that West is best. West Warwickshire actually has a nice ring to it if Birmingham wants a better name.
But when have you heard anybody say "West Yorkshire" today ?? ZILCH

Today is all about Leeds Leeds Leeds.
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Old November 1st, 2018, 12:31 AM   #5297
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Nobody would actually do this would they?

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Old November 1st, 2018, 12:35 AM   #5298
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Does anyone think it went beyond competition? We all know Andy Street (B'ham mayor) and Andy Burnham (Man mayor) are fighting for their own city. Behind the scenes I can imagine it to be ruthless between these two cities in particular. Councils, developers, investors doing everything to have one over on each other by playing games, bribes, under cutting and dirty tricks.


Maybe C4 thought the humble offer from Leeds was the best. Would actually be funny and karma for both B'ham and MAN if that was apart of the reason.
You've probably got a point here.

Congratulations to Leeds. It's a great area of the country that tends to get overlooked and has also produced some major broadcasting talents over the last 50 years.

If I was to think totally impartially and see the bigger picture then I actually think Glasgow would have been the correct choice out of all the original options. Given that the country is exiting the European Union in some form or another next year we are going to need the support of all parts of the UK in order to become the best of ourselves.

I still think that Channel 4 News should be broadcast from Glasgow as a secondary location in the future - it is important.

That said following Channel 4's own decision criteria they have made a somewhat leftfield pick: a working population of at least 200,000, within 3 hrs travel of Channel 4's London HQ and excellent transport and digital infrastructure. Does Leeds shine out as being the obvious candidate here? I won't say any more.

From Birmingham's and ALL of the West Midlands' (you can probably include East Midlands as well) perspective this is painful. We cannot pretend that it is otherwise. Once that pain has dulled a little we should carefully consider all elements in detail as to why the bid didn't go this regions's way - even the political elements - and then come again.

Lastly, most media sources keep on mentioning talent: talent can be cultivated and trained and in other circumstances can be imported or exported, it is not fixed.
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Old November 1st, 2018, 12:36 AM   #5299
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I think that Andy Street is the right man for the job, but his remarks about C4 were overconfidence gone mad.

He has certainly been very proactive with the Camp Hill line and things appear to be happening. He was probably also a major player in the Commonwealth Games bid.
Camp Hill was planned before him and so were the games. Did he have an influence? Maybe but I do think any other person would probably have achieved both to tbh.
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Old November 1st, 2018, 12:38 AM   #5300
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But when have you heard anybody say "West Yorkshire" today ?? ZILCH

Today is all about Leeds Leeds Leeds.

Just like this bid was Birmingham Birmingham Birmingham.

Stop getting attached to the name issue. It's just an easy scapegoat. That is absolutely inconsequential.



Look at the actual reasons, analyse this situation vaguely critically, then come back if you GENUINELY think that suddenly if this were called something other than West Midlands we would suddenly be the home of channel 4.
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