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Old May 5th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #1
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MELBOURNE Road and infrastructure projects

State Budget announced

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/minist...ias-roads.html

Projects include:
- $350 million for the Peninsula Link over 4 years...
interestingly the Victorian Transport Plan released in December (was it?) allowed $650 million for the project (when it was a posibility of it being completed in partnership with the federal government).

- also provisiong of $60million (+$80 million federal) to grade separtate Springvale Road Nunawading with Ringwood Trains

- $75 million to Connect Westall Road at Springvale Road to Dandenong Bypass at Perry Road (Dingley Arterial). will be at grade intersections at Springvale and Cheltneham Road unfortunately. with provision made for grade separtation at some point in the future. There might even be at grade intersection (traffic lights) at Chapel Road which would be a disaster IMO.

- $37 million over 4 years to construct the Kings Road interchange on the Calder Freeway and duplicate Kings Road from Melton Highway to the Calder. not sure what this means for at grade intersections in that area including Calder Park Drive and Sunshine Avenue. seems reasonably cheap but doable given the land is all there waiting to go.

- $120 million to kick start the Ring Road upgrade from Craigirburn Bypass to Tullamarine Freeway over the next couple of years.

- $44 millino for Nagambie Bypass

- $5 million for Hoddle Street 'engineering study' into possible grade separations of intersections north of the river.
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Kings Rd is the only interchange required on the Calder Hwy north of Taylors Lakes, and only a half interchange at that.

The others are all superfluous - build Kings Rd, then shut the other intersections down.

Also, Peninsula Link would have to be one of the most illogically based projects to see the light of day.
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Old May 5th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #3
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How is the M1 upgrade going? anyone got pics?
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Works are essentially complete between Blackburn and Warrigal Rds in both directions, although I haven't been around that way lately.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 04:07 AM   #5
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I drove out to Blackburn Road on Sunday and they'd stripped the top layer of bitumen off reading for the top seal to be laid Sunday night. so it should be in its final formation all the way from Warrigal Road to Ferntree Gully Road soon. They've also finished Springvale to Jacksons Road but I think they are still doing works at Ferntree Gully Bridge so not sure what is happening in the short section in between those two bits.
(See link below for schedule of works)
http://mcwupgrade.com.au/roadworks/m...ks-delays.aspx

its getting too cold now to lay bitumen so I imagine outside of finishing off the sections above they'll struggle to finish much more before September now.

Closer to the city they are still doign formation works on the north side in sections near East Malvern Station (along the golf course). It looked like they'd built the new barrier behind the existing new jersey/noise wall but they hadn't removed the existing one yet.

Plenty of action shifting barriers and the like between High Street and Glenferrie Road and there are sections that appear to be in their final formation (without full linemarking) but due to adjoining works like Great Valley Road widening, Bourke Road/High Street/Toorak Road interchange works (including altering some of hte reinforced eath walls) they won't be able to finish it for a while yet.

The central 'median' new jersey barrier on eastlink from Burnley to Punt Road is starting to be ripped up so they can move it further north providing width for the 4th lane on the citybound side.

and I don't drive much on the westgate section so haven't been there since Easter so not sure on recent progress. Looked impressive then though with barriers going up on the new ramp bridges near montague.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #6
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Kings Rd is the only interchange required on the Calder Hwy north of Taylors Lakes, and only a half interchange at that.

The others are all superfluous - build Kings Rd, then shut the other intersections down.
It'd probably be worth keeping Calder Park Dr as well. Sunshine Ave can definitely go, since it's already barely used.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 04:21 AM   #7
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re: Kings Road. looks like they need outbound ramps as well as there are none at Melton Highway or Green Gully Road interchanges. They could definitely close Sunshine Avenue and desirably Calder Park Drive as well after Kings is in. But I thnk Calder Park Drive will be hard to close due to the Industrial Esate being developed abutting the freeway and expectations of the developer to have 'direct freeway access'. They really should ahve got a developer contribution for the interchange there.

I'm happy to be convinced by someone of a proposal that will spend $350 million on other stuff that will improve access and road conditions around Frankston and the Mornington Peninsula as much as Peninsula Link?

It gets a lot of buses, maybe electrification to Baxter. But how are you going to convince the 50,000 cars a day that drive on Moorooduc and 40,000 a day on Cranbourne Road that switching to the bus is going to be as convenient for them as driving?

I struggle to see how it would work because fact is they live and work in very dispersed areas that you would struggle to service appropriately by PT.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #8
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Does anyone know when any other state budgets will come out?
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Old May 6th, 2009, 08:59 AM   #9
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At Sunshine Avenue they could probably do westbound-facing ramps only since Melton Highway already faces east. Don't forget there are several roads heading off to the north to access golf courses and the like, so there'd probably need to be an overpass built at Sunshine Avenue, if not an interchange.

Or they could construct a service road from Kings Road, I guess.
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It'd probably be worth keeping Calder Park Dr as well. Sunshine Ave can definitely go, since it's already barely used.
I'd just close it, since it has a problem with rat-running - the road isn't designed for high traffic levels.

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They really should ahve got a developer contribution for the interchange there.
Agreed - this should be the overriding condition as to whether it is built.

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At Sunshine Avenue they could probably do westbound-facing ramps only since Melton Highway already faces east. Don't forget there are several roads heading off to the north to access golf courses and the like, so there'd probably need to be an overpass built at Sunshine Avenue, if not an interchange.
The inconvenience of a few isn't worth the millions - funnily enough, earth mounds exist at Sunshine Av, yet the bridge was never constructed.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 03:50 AM   #11
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Marcus, you're right.

Had a look at Melways and Planning scheme and Sunshine Avenue only has space/provision for westbound ramps.

Kings Road and Calder Park Drive both have provision for fully directional.

Calder Park Drive has a wider than normal road reserve and no direct access so I'd suggest it could be turned into an arterial road. 26 metres road reserve is wide enough for 4 lanes and a 6 metre median (for right turn lanes into side streets) with 6m spare for bike lanes or left turn lanes. there is then about 10 metres of tree reserve on either side of hte road reserve where you would put footpaths and services.

South of Melton Highway its a straight 40m reserve all the way to Taylors Road. 40m is the width required for 6 lanes. (although its a tight fit so it'd more likely be a spacious 4 lanes with)
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Old May 7th, 2009, 08:08 AM   #12
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Slightly OT, but with the Ferntree Gully Road / M1 bridge works, does anyone think they will ever build the arterial link between Princes Highway to Ferntree Gully Road (extension of Westall Road to the north)?
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Old May 7th, 2009, 09:20 AM   #13
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^ its still in their thoughts.

one of the reasons that the Dandenong Third Track rail project was canned was because they realised how disastrous it would be for all north-south vehicle traffic at the level crossings.

As such they started to look at ways to move vehicles north south more efficiently and one of those ways was to build the Westall extension all the way to Ferntree Gully Road, making Westall a more attractive route (with its existing grade separation) than other crossings which aren't grade separated. I'm not sure if they connected it to the Monash but the land is set aside to do that.

you'll note they are building the connection within Dingley reserve from Westall to Dandenong Bypass (announced in budget). so if they built the northerly connection to Ferntree Gully you could get on Dandenong Bypass at Dandenong Frankston Road, follow Dingley/Westall all the way to Ferntree Gully Road - off course you could also do that along Eastlink so you've got to question the doubling up logic.

One of the things that I like about hte route is that it would create a very strong arterial road connections away from the activity centres along the train line in that area - ie. Springvale, Clayton, Noble Park, Dandenong. Bypassing thsoe areas would help in their revitalisation and branding for higher density living.
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Old May 7th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #14
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Thanks John. Nice post.

Seems silly about not grade separating the intersections on the roadway between Springvale Road and Dandenong bypass though. With the completion of the $25 million South Road extension (which I don't think has really done much to relieve traffic on White Street - it's intended purpose). All of the doubling up in the future seems like a waste when they could have built the total length from South Road to South Gippsland Freeway in the first place and probably ended up saving our tax dollars at the same time. Steve Bracks promised to build the Dingley Arterial in his 1999 election victory, but the money went on the Burwood East tram extension as you probably know.

With regards to Westall - FTG Road, I noted the embankment is set high on the Ferntree Gully Road side, however there are some old factories and yards where Princes Highway is. Then there are those other proposals along Western Ring Road to Craigieburn and the other one near Greensborough to the north of the Metro Ring Road.
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Then there are those other proposals along Western Ring Road to Craigieburn and the other one near Greensborough to the north of the Metro Ring Road.
It was a nice post John. Yes, those two north/south routes remain proposed in the Melways and are a hangover from the original freeway plan.
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And they will be built in some way. The government will announce it as something grand and new and the opposition will jump up and down for the media. Big show just for you..

They should toll the lot of them and use the money to pay for an extreme rail makeover to reduce road use and make the toll roads a worthy investment unlike Cringy link with its $10 city tunnel fee and 5kl/h journey rate for the best part of 20 kl.

Tolled roads will be the future regardless, electric vehicles will begin to dominate roads after 2015 and the fuel levy will shrink to zero. The only way to fund roads from that point is registration fees ($8,000 per vehicle current estimates) or toll roads (user pays and council rates) which is 100% fair!. If you use the train, trams, bus then you are saving the economy, roads are damned expensive. If you use the roads then you should cover the roads costs as well as contribute to the rightful purpose of delivering goods rapidly. The govie and right wing jerkoffs like Bolte wine about rail investment that is highly efficient yet love to subsidise the crap out of roads that deliver less than 2% return on what commuter rail returns. Sure its fast but only when you are not trying to get to or from work.
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Old May 8th, 2009, 05:51 AM   #17
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The one to Craigieburn (E14) is already 'under construction' through Craigieburn as Aitken Boulevard mainly between Craigieburn Road and Mt Ridley Road. The first phase is being built as a 4 lane arterial road but the ultimate format might be something bigger (although they haven't left land available for grade seperated intersections and there are some smaller roads with direct access.

The E6 (through Epping) isn't on the drawding board at this stage at all. But is being considered as an easterly extension of the Outer Metro Ring Road. It would be a freeway standard road that would be designed to take advantage of construction of hte 'missing link' connecting the Eastern Freeway to Northern Ring Road. (The VTP announced a study into the Missing Link through the Bulleen Road corridor as a tunnel in about 15 years).



http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...nningStudy.htm


interesting to note that the VTP announced funding of $80 million for Dingley, and the project cost came in at $74.6 million. Why? because they deleted the proposals to go straight to Grade Separation at Springvale to keep below the $80 million. would have been embarassing to have a cost blowout on the first VTP project!

Still the Dingley connection is a HUGE boost for capacity of hte road network in this area. the Springvale Road-Cheltenham Road intersection (wiht Lower Dandenong Road tied into it) is basically massively overloaded. But building this connection will take thousands of vehicles a day off that intersection (left turners north to south, and right turners south to north). Even with new sets of signals on Springvale and Cheltenham they should operate better as it will relieve pressure on the biggest choke point in the area.
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Here's some tripe from the Herald Sun about the new arches being built over the Westgate Freeway. It includes a video (follow the link).

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West Gate gets new gates
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...7-2862,00.html

FIRST there was the giant cheese-stick, then a futuristic sound barrier - now two huge concrete portals will be built over the upgraded West Gate Freeway.
Roads Minister Tim Pallas today announced the construction of the $9 million structures saying they would help guide drivers along the freeway.

Mr Pallas said it would be built at the Montague St intersection to cover the vertical concrete structures which support the ramps.

"The portals have a modern, even futuristic style, consistent with the nature of the Docklands area as a centre of progressive development,’’ Mr Pallas said.

"When finished, the portal structures will form a magnificent centrepiece to this section of the M1 upgrade.’’

Mr Pallas said work had started on the Montague portals with the first expected to be completed by the end of July and the second by the end of September.

The $1.4 billion M1 upgrade is the largest state-funded project in Victoria’s history.

An extra lane will be built in each direction on the Monash Freeway and Southern Link to ease congestion. The Bolte and Montague Street ramps will also be reconstructed to reduce weaving and merging on the West Gate Freeway.
Basically, the arches, whilst apparently being "aesthetically pleasing" are supporting the three tier freeway interchange. They don't really look too flash to me, but I love how high the Montague st ramp is. Different walls will be brightly coloured to... "to help guide drivers". It's all by the same architects that did the northern gateway (CityLink/Flemington Road).

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