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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #1
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is Venetian Macao gonna use Simplified Chinese or Traditional Chinese this time?

does anyone know if Venetian Macao is gonna use Simplified Chinese or Traditional Chinese this time?

like Sands, they all use Simplified Chinese, which is.................
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Old August 28th, 2007, 05:50 AM   #2
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which is ..... more casino revenue and gambling tax income
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Old August 28th, 2007, 03:39 PM   #3
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confirmed it. Simplified Chinese!!

ahhh,,,there is no respect to the local people............ahhh
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Old August 29th, 2007, 05:00 AM   #4
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Welcome to Venetian Macau!
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Old August 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #5
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ahhh,,,there is no respect to the local people............ahhh
who respects you?
no matter simplified or traditional chinese,its our chinese's culture wealth,I think it has nothing to do with you
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Old August 30th, 2007, 03:21 PM   #6
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I agree with Jus. This does involve an issue of respect.
As a guest, you don't go into your host's house and tell the host that you want all the walls painted white because it makes you feel more comfortable. As a foreign investor, you don't build a vast and iconic building in the city with all its signs written in simplified Chinese instead of traditional Chinese simply because most of your customers come from the mainland. I don't know about others. But I think I'm with Jus. I feel violated and offended about this. It's just same way I feel when I walk into a local store and the staff inside refuse to talk to me in Cantonese or accept Macau pataca. I mean, It's just so rude.
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Old August 30th, 2007, 03:27 PM   #7
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who respects you?
no matter simplified or traditional chinese,its our chinese's culture wealth,I think it has nothing to do with you
dont be silly, after I reply this message, I know that its gonna be a fight...

first of all, Traditional Chinese is used in HK, Macau and Taiwan

I am not sure how much you know about the Chinese History, but I can say that I know fair bit about it!!

Do u know why HK, Macau and Taiwan are still using the Traditional Chinese?
then Do u know why China is using Simplified Chinese??

Do u know that for those who use traditional chinese call this "Traditional Chinese" as the "correct" chinese?

If you do not know, then Please shut the hell up!

My intention wasnt to insult the simplified Chinese or people who use it, but i just meant that it shouldnt be used in public in Macau, thats my point, If you are not from Macau. again. shut the hell up!

the Communist party destroyed and "raped" all 5000 year chinese culture during the civil war in China. Do u know about it? They burnt those valuable chinese historic documents, and killed thousands of academic people during that bloody civil war, do u know about it.
I love the Chinese culture and the people more than anything! I only say thing when I am certain to say. but you need to know the truth though, Do not just say that you love this country or watever, but at the same time, u only know so little about it..thats just very uneducated!

Simplified chinese is "NOT" OUR chinese cultural wealth, MIND YOU! its only been used less for a very very short time compared to the traditional chinese!

if you do not know why HK, Macau and Taiwan are still using Traditional Chinese, go home n read some books!

a lot of people who claim they love Chinese culture, but they do not even know the truth about the Chinese History, and its culture,. hhaha what a joke!

you think that I came to insult Simplified Chinese out of sudden, if you go overseas, those chinese communities overseas are still using Traditional Chinese!!!! My point is that if the Communist has done the damage in Mainland China in terms of lanagage, thats worse enuff. do not extend this terrible damage to other places and people!


you just need to know why they got Simplified at the first place, do not only think that Simplified Chinese in China forever, dont be naive!, Our traditional heritage got destroyed by that. you fool!

I will be very happy that if you are goin to reply me.. Chinese Lover??

btw, Macau is a place for its people. I mean Macau People!!!, its not for tourists or any business people. I agree above,it is just like if you were born in place and were raised in there, but you are treated worse than those tourists..Iam not sure how u think/feel, but if ur not from Macau. Please dont say anything, or if you are even from CHINA. I recommend that you should go read the history about Chinese language, but do not read those books written in China because you will never know the truth
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Old August 30th, 2007, 05:01 PM   #8
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It's a business, and not a museum. The business makes it as easy as possible for its clients to transact. Hence, it's not surprising at all that simplified Chinese is everywhere.
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Agreed! This is hospitality industry! Serve ur customers first.

But one thing I like to point out: Not all the oversea Chineses use Traditional strokes for writing, South Sea Asia goes for simplified strokes and most of the cities in North Amercia use traditional strokes. And getting more Chinese learn "Ping Yin" to pronounce and type in computer .
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Old August 31st, 2007, 06:25 AM   #10
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It's a business, and not a museum. The business makes it as easy as possible for its clients to transact. Hence, it's not surprising at all that simplified Chinese is everywhere.
Im not sure if you are from HK, if there is a shop opened by a very rich man in HK, and they mainly target Chinese tourists, they only accept RMB only, and HK people are not allowed to pay HK dollors! do u think its okay to the local people in HK?

Hell NO!, HK gov grants you the right to open a shop there, HK people should come first in this case.

Business is Business, but this Business is not in Mainland China. Mind you, its in Macau SAR Okay, "cookie-rolls" has pointed out this point already.

Because of the fact that these rich business people from the US are thinkin like you people. Thats why they make everything first for the Tourists. and the local Macau people got neglected and treated worse than tourists!!. Imagine if you live in HK, the HK gov treat the tourists as the first priority...thats just not right...Mister!

This is very surprising by the way, then why other casinos not using all Simplified Chinese. and all business including HK and Taiwan should use Simplified Chinese then, since China got 1.2 billions population?? n they are getting richer, more or less you need these people coming from China anyway...

and from now on, all kids in school should stop learning Traditional Chinese!

Business..what a joke! They can have simplified chinese shown in Public, but meanwhile traditional chinese should be shown as well..
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Old August 31st, 2007, 06:50 AM   #11
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Agreed! This is hospitality industry! Serve ur customers first.

But one thing I like to point out: Not all the oversea Chineses use Traditional strokes for writing, South Sea Asia goes for simplified strokes and most of the cities in North Amercia use traditional strokes. And getting more Chinese learn "Ping Yin" to pronounce and type in computer .
Serve your customers first yeah, what about give them the right to access all public welfares as well in Macau. Another joke...

I know Singapore n Malaysia are using Simplified Chinese, you do not have to tell me that, I was pointing out those chinese communities in those western countries..

but anyway, this is not wat Im focusing on about..

Customers come first yeah? a lot of tourists going to Macau are up for sex as well
should the gov allow more hookers squatting and standing on the streets even during the day time. since the customers love them???

Customers come first yeah? they should demolish the borders in between Macau and China, so they can come any time they want or do watever they like??

Customers come first yeah? they should ban the locals to go to the all these gaming revenues, since the local people do not contribute the gambling tax as much as the tourists from china..the can leave more space for the tourists!!!

Customers come first yeah? They like to sleep at the park (slides) or some sleazy places at night after gambling. I guess the the gov should build a free accommodation for these people after they finish gambling, so that they can have a free place to stay at night and go gambling again on the next day??

Customers come first yeah? Why dont all the kids over 18 or even under 18 in Macau just quit school and go work as a card dealers, or Hookers or drug dealers, since there are many tourists, and we are short for labors. and need people to serve these rich tourists or if we are goin to upset these rich tourists, Im afraid that they will spit everywhere!!!NOOOO haha

I mind you! hospitality industry is important to Macau n its people, but there should be certain guidelines and moral codes to follow!!

Macau is for Macau people, Not for the tourists or foreigners, You really have to understand this point.

There are some people or even me would stand up right to protect and care. Dont you find that most of these people who disagree with my points are NOT really from Macau? huh (of course, they are exceptions), but if you do not feel certain thing part of ur life, or ur life is part of it.. then why dont u just keep your comments somewhere else.

I m not chucking my comments in Hk forum or China forum, i am just saying wat i think in this forum because Im one of the people there in Macau~

business is important, or money is important, but morality, and the cultures, histories, religions are more important.

Look at china now, Business/ Money always comes first, Cant you tell there is something wrong with this new generation in China. they only know about money or being materialistic, and people have become selfish, self centered n so forth. you think thats OKAY?how the people behave there. you do not need me to tell you!!

Culture is sth that has gone through a very long time and being preserved by the people there over years, passing them generation by generation....and thats why its so important..

Do you think that HK, Macau, China and Taiwan are sharing same values in watever aspects? if you think yes,, haha.you are wrong..n In fact, far from it, there are still many huge differences / different values in between these places!!!


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I agree it’s a bit weird if you walk inside a place in Macau and find all the signs are written in simplied Chinese, it just gives you a feeling that you are not in Macau. Therefore the best way is to put English, traditional Chinese and simplified Chinese together for all the signs
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Well, what a discussion! I think this thread is already out of the original topic! Anyway, it is good to express our view!

Using traditional strokes or simplified one in the hospitality exstablishments HAS NO connection with the RESPECT given to Macaneses. Sustaining the Culture is not solely depends on writing! It is related to the mind setting, the way we think! Education will hlep! Against the tourists might not able to reserve the culture!

I know the problems u r talking about! When did these SOCIAL Problems exist? Only since the Amercians shifted in?

Young people quited school because of gaming industry? Only Chinese tourists distrubs the local daily life? Taffic jam because of tourist? Are those casinos only for local Macaneses or others? Hospitality industry caters for local or tourists? Prostitutes everywhere because of tourism? ...

Macau is a hospitality city! Social problems can be solved by implementing the better system/ education. Working in gaming industry does not mean i have to gamble. Serving toruists does not mean I am in a lower position. Serving guests in a better way has shown our tradition culture too!

What will happen if Macau does not have casino? What will happen if we use all the traditional strokes in town, then Macaneses can have a better life?

Social problem would not go away even with the closure of all casinos and hotels. Singapore will have casinos next year! They are preparing the possible social problems too! The 1st night F1 GP will be introduced. Well, competition is everywhere.

Let's think about it! Have fun!

p.s. What is the different b/w Singapore chiinese communities and those in western countries? Tourists from south east asia are the 2nd largest group to Macau. Most of them speak Chinese / English and a lot of them working in hospitality industry for managerial positions. They are contributing!
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Old August 31st, 2007, 12:23 PM   #16
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Well, what a discussion! I think this thread is already out of the original topic! Anyway, it is good to express our view!
oh yes, from this thread you hav replied. of course it is, and you have totally twisted my words and my point of view and talkin crazy..ha

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Using traditional strokes or simplified one in the hospitality exstablishments HAS NO connection with the RESPECT given to Macaneses. Sustaining the Culture is not solely depends on writing! It is related to the mind setting, the way we think! Education will hlep! Against the tourists might not able to reserve the culture!
I guess some of the peers have agreed with my points. I have no intention to say anything against the tourists, by the way, we need gambling industry, we need tourists, but that doesnt mean that the gambling companies can do watever they want or the tourists can do whatever they want, and the gov shouldnt just think them as the first priority!!!, the locals should be the first priority!!! and we need quality tourists, people who behave well!!! its not some kind of people who got their filthy money and come to Macau behaving like a Junkie to spend their "black" money in the casinos!!!

Education will help,, of course, think about how well the educational system we've got in Macau!!! DO not KID ME. you will be so hurt and fooled if you think the educational system is good in Macau..haha DONT you even point this out or trying to compare to Singapore!!! They have fantastic educational system and most people are educated as in they have done higher education. and most IMPORTANTLY. people obey the LAWS in Singapore. haha...you picked a very silly example! What about Macau..hah silly pick..silly pick

If you come to place, and you open your business, but you do not treat the local people as the primary people. if it is not in regards to "RESPECT". What is that? hah,, a very simple thing like this (using Simplified Chinese) is a very good example to show these people how well they value the people in Macau!!!


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I know the problems u r talking about! When did these SOCIAL Problems exist? Only since the Amercians shifted in?
hell NO, is our gov competent doing things??? or making a change in terms of social problems..do not kid yourself or fool other Macauese!!!

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Young people quited school because of gaming industry? Only Chinese tourists distrubs the local daily life? Taffic jam because of tourist? Are those casinos only for local Macaneses or others? Hospitality industry caters for local or tourists? Prostitutes everywhere because of tourism? ...
again, we need tourism, and this should be the main industry, but we need tourists with good quality and they have enormous spending power!! I can give you a very good example, Japanese, People from Scandinavian countries, Germans or even Americans, they behave well (in general, I am not taking one ore two as an example, general as in the average out of all) in public, they are rich and have good spending power and the follow the rules!!! These are the tourists we need.

if you go travel in europe or USA. most brochures you can get would be written in English, Germans, Japanese or even Spanish.. China has the biggest population in the world. why dont they make the brochures in Chinese as well?????

YOU DO NOT NEED ME TO TELL YOU THE REASON RIGHT??if you do, you must be kidding me ha...think about the people FIRST..!! how well they behave in the public..less shouting would help and learn how to line up would help..seriously!

You think Im complaining that we have gaming industry in Macau. see you twisted my words again. I agree that we should have gaming industry!! but gaming industry with very good qaulity, and meanwhile, the social problems should be minimized. You thinkt the gov is doing the good job? haha.,. NO. why? because they have never thought about the locals as the primary people, as long as the tourists are happy, who wuld care about the locals. thats just wat i was pointing out! READ carefully and think carefully Please!

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Macau is a hospitality city! Social problems can be solved by implementing the better system/ education. Working in gaming industry does not mean i have to gamble. Serving toruists does not mean I am in a lower position. Serving guests in a better way has shown our tradition culture too!

What will happen if Macau does not have casino? What will happen if we use all the traditional strokes in town, then Macaneses can have a better life?
Yes, unfortunately, you reckon that our gov has been implementing a very good system/education in Macau, My family work in the Law and Educational firms. Mister.../Missy.. do you need me to tell you that how many cases are lining up to go thru the lower court in Macau (lower court!!! jsut some very trivial cases), they will line up at least up to 2015! is that a very efficient gov, or are the laws very efficient, some of the laws in Macau are still being used in Macau, Meanwhile, Portugal have removed these laws already in the last century..can you see how far we leave behind in terms of legal systems!!???

if we all use traditional writing in Macau, that surely doesnt mean that our lives will be better.but if we all use simplified chinese, does it mean that our lives better?? haha, I wouldnt think that the tourists wouldnt come because we are using traditional chinese, but if they use the simplified chinese in Macau in public, more or less that hurts the feeling of the local people. why dont they make it a win-win situation. use both at the same time???? it also DOESNT MEAN THAT we have to suit the tourists' taste! to treat them like kings??? who live there the most. people in Macau..?? unless you prefer being treated as second citizen..then I 've got nothing to say

thats why I said..if the tourists need more hookers, does it mean that we need to provide more to suit them ??? Cant you read and interpret???

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Social problem would not go away even with the closure of all casinos and hotels. Singapore will have casinos next year! They are preparing the possible social problems too! The 1st night F1 GP will be introduced. Well, competition is everywhere.

Let's think about it! Have fun!
DO NOt be silly, you fool, do u know the conditions for local people in Singapore entering casinos. they need to pay a very expensive fees for locals to go in. In other words, that minimizes the interest of the local people gambling in the casinos.

you pick singapore to compare to Macau. what a JOKE! go up to wikipedia and check how competitive Singapore is. It is ranked in the top 5 the most competitive city in the WORLD!. more than 80 population can speak Chinese and English fluently, even someone who cleans the toilet!!! thats so called an international city! its a very silly pick mate!

They have strong rules against drugs, gambling or social issues in Singapore. Do we have strong laws against drugs in Macau.

Do you need me to tell you that if you bring drugs into Macau. most likely you only hav to pay fine!! in Singapore, You will be killed already...got it!!!

People who are underage and come from China are hookers in Macau, once they got caught, they got sent back to China

In HK, they have to go to jail. can you tell the difference!!!! if you think that you know more laws or watever cases more than I do, lets discuss about it! I guess thru my family connection, I think I know how the Macau gov works!!!

and DO NOT even compare to Singapore. we can learn from Singapore, but not to compare, HK can compare to Singapore though..you talkin Macau. haha
dont make me laugh!

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p.s. What is the different b/w Singapore chiinese communities and those in western countries? Tourists from south east asia are the 2nd largest group to Macau. Most of them speak Chinese / English and a lot of them working in hospitality industry for managerial positions. They are contributing!
yes, there are nothing wrong with them. Did i say anything wrong about them. NO! In fact, I guess they might have a better quality than those coming from you so-called Motherland!

I guess you are not a very good reader...

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Old August 31st, 2007, 02:15 PM   #17
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dont be angry
were you ever insulted by a mainlander?
personally speaking,I like traditional chinese,but I must tell you that simplified chinese are also used in acient china,especially in calligraphy!
Jus,dont think u r the only one who has ever been abroad.................I know that HK,MC and TW use traditional chinese and I appreciate it highly.
U said the gov are intended to use simplified chinese,this means not respecting towards the native people right?
But I think the gov is economic-oriented. In mainland china,we also use english signs to serve the foregners 2.
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U said the gov are intended to use simplified chinese,this means not respecting towards the native people right?
But I think the gov is economic-oriented. In mainland china,we also use english signs to serve the foregners 2.
I never said that the gov intended to use simplified chinese..

can you quote that for me please...the Macau gov does not have that intention at all, I was just saying that the gaming company was using it, thats what I said....

and also,, haha.,.,sorry i just hav to laugh first.

In china, some places using Pin Ying,that's understandable

thats not english mate!!, if you hav watched this program from CBS. they were talking Chinglish. they put all these signs in China in English, but the foreigners would not understand what that really mean...

would you like some pictures. I can post it for you. and people will laugh how the people using english in China...??? !!!they translate into english from chinese directly. which doesnt mean anything at all..!!! bad example mate...!

Or you can go youtube, type in Chinglish, then please start laughing....
Thats also an insult to the english speaking people as well..please stop using China as watever standard or example..plz plz plz, because really nothing..really really really there in china can use as a standard for the international world....if taking China as a standard for the world standard. I am afraid the world will go crazy...

and I have never got insulted by the mainlanders at all, they got insulted by people a lot outside china. especially when they are travelling with the Chinese passport at the custom,..not sure if you know what I mean...

Of course, if the country is doing some good to its people and the world. the neighbor countries love these people from china as well,...why do they(foreigners) have to look down on them when they are travelling or goin overseas. there is nothing wrong with the people if they were not educated in that way..

I am not angry at all..why should I? I am just pointing out the facts for those who are living in the la la land or who thought that they are the greatest from the greatest country..but before saying that..go out and look at those developed countries first...

dont even need to mention the foreigners, just talking about people from HK or Taiwan (same people) Honestly, honestly honestly, ..do you really think that they really love/like people from china. hell NO..but its not because of $$$$$ and cheap labors in china...I dont really think that they would give a damn....

again, You do not need to go abroad to know certain information, because information is shared by people around the world. In HK, Macau and Taiwan or overseas..people can freely get access to any international news...not sure if people can do it in CHINA???? hahah, i guess everything (on internet) has to be filtered strictly in China right???

Even tho i hav never been overseas, I would still say the same thing mate, and nothing to be proud of being overseas...

why there are so many people from HK had to migrate overseas after 1989???

If people were not scared, frightened, or they even love where they were born, where they were raised up, would the people leave the place???????
Even tho nowadays, People in HK or Macau still believe that having a western passport would be much more safer!!??

If the country is great and good..
I tell you mate, People wouldnt Leave!! simple is that!

why there are so many people doing all sort of illegal ways to get out of China?? you know more than I do if your from China..

More or less, i do hav some contacts with people in China. I am not someone who has never set feet in the country and talking crazy ..mate...

anywayz..this conversation shouldnt be happening....

I hav concluded myself for so many times...if the company is smart enuff..Win Win situation is the way..

English, Simplified n Traditional Chinese or even Portuguese can make all people happy...

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Huge number of mainland Chinese staff speaking mandarin only here. Also large numbers of Filipinos speaking English (one Filipina reckoned 30%, but I think it is nearer 20%). Rest Mecanese, with the odd HK'er here.
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Im not sure if you are from HK, if there is a shop opened by a very rich man in HK, and they mainly target Chinese tourists, they only accept RMB only, and HK people are not allowed to pay HK dollors! do u think its okay to the local people in HK?

Hell NO!, HK gov grants you the right to open a shop there, HK people should come first in this case.

Business is Business, but this Business is not in Mainland China. Mind you, its in Macau SAR Okay, "cookie-rolls" has pointed out this point already.

Because of the fact that these rich business people from the US are thinkin like you people. Thats why they make everything first for the Tourists. and the local Macau people got neglected and treated worse than tourists!!. Imagine if you live in HK, the HK gov treat the tourists as the first priority...thats just not right...Mister!

This is very surprising by the way, then why other casinos not using all Simplified Chinese. and all business including HK and Taiwan should use Simplified Chinese then, since China got 1.2 billions population?? n they are getting richer, more or less you need these people coming from China anyway...

and from now on, all kids in school should stop learning Traditional Chinese!

Business..what a joke! They can have simplified chinese shown in Public, but meanwhile traditional chinese should be shown as well..
Hong Kong supports free enterprise. If the market segment is targeted towards mainlanders, then accepting RMB only would be a business decision. If I don't like it, I won't shop there. Keep in mind it's not my decision to have them market their wares towards me. It's always a decision from the supplier point of view.

There are plenty of foreigner-targeted shops in Hong Kong already, such as Citysuper and plenty of restaurants that don't have Chinese on their menus at all. Is it a problem? No. A business is not an NGO or a government entity. They don't exist to serve the general public. They open to make money. They have the right to choose who they transact with as well.

You're confusing the casinos with the government's role in the economy. The government allows foreigners to invest in casinos, which brings unprecedented economic benefits to the local population. The casinos decide where they get the customers, and it's not up to the government to instigate language laws on their operations. It's not up to the government to enforce the casinos to accept Macanese more than mainlanders. If that's the case, then there will be no incentive for foreigners to build casinos in Macau in the first place. The market is too small.

Hong Kong is not as dependent on foreigners as Macau, hence this language problem tends to appear as English-only, rather than Simplified Chinese-only. Is that a problem? No. Should people adapt? I think so, just as people in Hong Kong now learn Mandarin and English to accept today's business reality.
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