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View Poll Results: Podržavate li gradnju Pelješkog mosta?
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Old May 13th, 2019, 06:34 PM   #4321
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S tim da s vremenom cijela trasa može ići 2+2
Dodavanje druge trake nije planirano.
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Old May 13th, 2019, 06:37 PM   #4322
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Uff thats what I was fearing, I wish they just found a way to finish off the last bit with at least a four lane highway which is the bear minimum these days. The norm is at least a six lane freeway so trucks never enter the fast lane.

Oh well
It would be a colossal waste of taxpayer money to construct a 4-lane, let alone 6-lane highway for such a small amount of expected traffic.
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Old May 13th, 2019, 07:23 PM   #4323
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Old May 13th, 2019, 07:58 PM   #4324
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The norm is at least a six lane freeway so trucks never enter the fast lane.

Oh well
Yes, in transit EU & US. Not remote local Croatia
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Old May 13th, 2019, 08:30 PM   #4325
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S tim da s vremenom cijela trasa može ići 2+2
Dodavanje druge trake nije planirano.
Za sad nije. Plan je da autocesta do osojnik ide preko mosta i pelješcu. Ili barem brza cesta. To je najnoviji plan
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Old May 13th, 2019, 08:45 PM   #4326
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Opet neki plan? Zar taj dio nije davno zavrsen http://mppi.hr/default.aspx?id=6048
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Old May 14th, 2019, 08:13 AM   #4327
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It would be a colossal waste of taxpayer money to construct a 4-lane, let alone 6-lane highway for such a small amount of expected traffic.
Pa jel jeftinije sagraditi sad metar širi most ili za 20 godina praviti novi zbog povećanja prometa?
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Old May 14th, 2019, 08:19 AM   #4328
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Ajme više s tim mostom ne budite naporni. Ne, ni za 20 godina neće biti potrebno imati širi most. Trenutno je godišnji promet prema Dubrovniku na 25% potrebe od autoceste, za 20 god možda bude 50%, ako i to... uostalom i da imaju 4 trake (autocesta) s obje strane, most može uredno biti 1+1 i bez ikakvih zastoja da sve funkcionira. Funkcioniraju Karavanke sa X puta većim prometom, kamoli neće ovo kod nas...
Dubrovnik nije, niti ima tendenciju a niti može postati auto-destinacija kao što je npr Makarska Rivijera i sl. Turisti većinom dolaze zračnim putem i kruzerima, ovaj prvi treba forsirati i dalje, to je to.

Od svih priča (preseravanja) vezano za širi most i izgradnju AC do Dubrovnika (Osojnik), samomom Gradu je daleko najpotrebnije da se izgradi BC do zračne luke i osmisli bolji (podzemni?) način komunikacije Gruža i Pila. Ovo drugo je gradska domena ali svejedno.
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Old May 14th, 2019, 09:56 AM   #4329
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Opet neki plan? Zar taj dio nije davno zavrsen http://mppi.hr/default.aspx?id=6048

Izvrstan link.


Bacite malo oko na kraj članka gdje se navode izvođači.. malo koja firma (od ovih naših) još egzistira..



lako je bilo radit u to doba kad se direktno ugovaralo sa državom i debelo preplaćivalo izvedene radove.. sada kada imaju konkurenciju.. ćao draga
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Old May 14th, 2019, 12:48 PM   #4330
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Dubrovnik nije, niti ima tendenciju a niti može postati auto-destinacija kao što je npr Makarska Rivijera i sl. Turisti većinom dolaze zračnim putem i kruzerima, ovaj prvi treba forsirati i dalje, to je to.

Od svih priča (preseravanja) vezano za širi most i izgradnju AC do Dubrovnika (Osojnik), samomom Gradu je daleko najpotrebnije da se izgradi BC do zračne luke i osmisli bolji (podzemni?) način komunikacije Gruža i Pila. Ovo drugo je gradska domena ali svejedno.
BC do ZLD je daleko najvažnija, a za promet u samom gradu daleko je najvažnije stvaranje novih parking mjesta te bilo kakvo reguliranje taksi prijevoza jer ovo što sad imamo je kataklizma.

Umjesto AC do Dola, želio bih vidjet tzv. primorsku cestu koja bi išla paralelno s jadranskom magistralom i koja bi išla od mosta preko Osojnika pa do Slanoga (dio od Slanoga do Majkova je već napravljen, a ubrzo će se početi dio od Mosta do Pobrežja kraj Osojnika. PGDP možda nije dovoljan za AC, ali je cesta građena 60-ih odavno prestala bit dovoljna za ovoliku količinu prometa.
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Old May 14th, 2019, 02:25 PM   #4331
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Old May 14th, 2019, 02:58 PM   #4332
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Na ovom videu ima svega ... osim 3D simulacije buduće ceste preko Pelješca
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Old May 14th, 2019, 03:42 PM   #4333
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Da, osim za ovu priču vrlo važne informacije da Zagreb ima milijun stanovnika, imaju i čak 2 potpuno različita pelješka mosta, ovaj po kojem se navodno radi i onaj s 4 vozne trake. Mogli su ubacit još i Sanaderov
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Old May 14th, 2019, 05:39 PM   #4334
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Vezano za podvodnu konstrukciju mosta. Pročitao sam da na vrh pilota ide betonska "kapa" koja ih povezuje. Znači li to da podvodni dio neće biti oklopljen betonskom masom i da je metalni dio pilota izložen morskoj vodi. Kako se to poslije održava i da li je čvršće ako bi piloti išli u beton?
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Old May 14th, 2019, 05:59 PM   #4335
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Ne idu piloti u beton, vec beton ide u pilote ... u vise navrata je objasnjeno da sada ide "ciscenje" pilota (ispumpavanje mulja i vode), a zatim upumpavanje betona u pilote (celicne cijevi), zar ne?
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Old May 14th, 2019, 06:30 PM   #4336
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Vezano za podvodnu konstrukciju mosta. Pročitao sam da na vrh pilota ide betonska "kapa" koja ih povezuje. Znači li to da podvodni dio neće biti oklopljen betonskom masom i da je metalni dio pilota izložen morskoj vodi. Kako se to poslije održava i da li je čvršće ako bi piloti išli u beton?
Nikako. Čelična cijev pilota ima dovoljnu debljinu stijenke da korozija za vrijeme projektiranog uporabnog vijeka mosta nema značajan utjecaj.

Također, kako je theAlien rekao, ovi će piloti biti punjeni armiranim betonom. Stoga korozija čelične ovojnice nema značajan utjecaj na nosivost pilota.

Rasponska konstrukcija će biti građena od puno tanjih čeličnih ploča, te će biti štićena bojanjem, galvanskom zaštitom i ak se ne varam micanjem kisika iz unutrašnjosti.
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Nikako. Čelična cijev pilota ima dovoljnu debljinu stijenke da korozija za vrijeme projektiranog uporabnog vijeka mosta nema značajan utjecaj.
A koliko je to?
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Old May 15th, 2019, 07:03 PM   #4338
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Pretpostavljam 100 godina
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Old May 15th, 2019, 09:57 PM   #4339
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100 godina je malen vijek za ovakve građevine.
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Old May 15th, 2019, 10:37 PM   #4340
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Uvjet za čitavi most je bio minimalni uporabni vijek od 120 godina bez većih rekonstrukcija.
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