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Old June 12th, 2019, 08:04 AM   #21
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Fat pensions were the reason why 9 ANC MPs resigned


Ministers pocket more than R2.4 million per year, while ordinary members of parliament earn less than a chief magistrate at a little over R1.1 million a year.
It’s probably unfair to say the ANC was cleaning house given that President Cyril Ramaphosa’s shake-up started on May 29 with the announcement of his new Cabinet.

However, a pending near 50% cut in salary for former ministers – reduced to backbenchers – may have a lot to do with it.

Political analyst Daniel Silke said: “This really is all about the mechanics of the pension benefits from parliament.”

Silke noted that many people were critical of the pension benefits accrued to ex-ministers who were now quitting.

In terms of a Government Gazette, issued in December, ministers would pocket more than R2.4 million per year, while ordinary members of parliament earn less than a chief magistrate at a little over R1.1 million a year.

“The system of benefits within the parliamentary rulebook makes provision for those who were former Cabinet minsters to claim pensions on the basis of the more elevated position, and as I understand it they have a cut-off date by which they have to make a choice in the matter,” Silke said. “There’s no political motivation behind this except certainly in the case of Bathabile Dlamini, she didn’t leave quietly.”
  • Ex-tourism minister Derek Hanekom’s surprise resignation on Monday joined that of Dlamini, former minister of women, who exited with less grace in a barely coherent five-page statement defending her legacy. Hanekom, a staunch Ramaphosa supporter, announced on Twitter that he was ready to begin his “next chapter quite soon”. “But tourism will remain a passion and I’ll support it wherever I find myself in the next couple of weeks”;
  • As human settlements minister, Nomaindia Mfeketo appeared to do her job with little fuss, her greatest “scandal” being placing the Housing Development Agency under administration for failing to do its work;
  • Former sport and recreation minister Tokozile Xasa appeared to be a victim of circumstance in Ramaphosa’s downsizing of parliament, her greatest achievement being the all-out support for the Olympics 400m gold medallist Caster Semenya in her fight against the dehumanising IAAF test ruling;
  • In the executive since 1994 Jeff Radebe, at his most powerful position as energy minister, failed to release an updated Integrated Resource Plan which details South Africa’s energy plan;
  • Former state security minister Dipuo Letsatsi-Duba joined the list of ex-Cabinet ministers, leaving in her wake a spy agency more focused on political machinations than on crime threats;
  • Ministers Susan “Kill the Bastards” Shabangu and Siyabonga “I didn’t know my wife was a drug dealer” Cwele (also a former state security minister) are unlikely to be missed; and
  • Nomvula Mokonyane, who almost collapsed the department of water affairs, has also left parliament before her R2.4 million salary was reduced to just more than R1.8 million.

With only 12 people making it from 2018 into Ramaphosa’s Cabinet, South Africans can expect more resignations as the State of the Nation address on June 20 looms.

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How Magashule tried to take over parliament – report

Ramaphosa thwarted Ace’s plot to appoint Zuma loyalists including Bathabile Dlamini, Supra Mahumapelo, Faith Muthambi, and Mosebenzi Zwane to portfolio committees.
A report in the Sunday Times details how Ace Magashule allegedly travelled to Cape Town on Wednesday, and planned to announce new appointments to chair parliament’s portfolio committees the following day – despite this not being cleared by national leadership.

Magashule reportedly attempted to “capture parliament” through a caucus meeting while Ramaphosa and key cabinet members were attending a lekgotla in Pretoria.

The agenda of the caucus meeting included “deployment to portfolio committees and whippery”.

When Ramaphosa found out, he put the breaks on Magashule’s plans, sources told the publication.

The meeting was cancelled and the matter will now be finalised at a special NEC meeting in Cape Town on Tuesday.

Magashule’s plans allegedly included the take-over of two key portfolio committees – the political and strategy committees – through the appointment of Zuma allies including Bathabile Dlamini, Sdumo Dlamini and Njabulo Nzuza.

The ANC secretary general and his allies also reportedly wanted control of the public enterprises committee to stop Ramaphosa’s proposed unbundling of Eskom.

The report further alleges that part of Magashule’s “coup” attempt involved a bid to shield public protector Busisiwe Mkhwebane from impeachment.

A list of portfolio committee chairs was approved by the ANC top six, but lobbying reportedly continued after the top six meeting, and insiders say Magashule was attempting to “force certain names” onto the list.

These included Zuma loyalists Supra Mahumapelo, Faith Muthambi, and Mosebenzi Zwane.

Magashule said the cancelation of the caucus meeting was due to him not being ready to make his presentation.

Presidential spokesperson Khusela Diko declined to comment.

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Old June 17th, 2019, 01:53 PM   #23
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It's such a joke that while Rome burns, the emperors fiddle. And we all just have to sit and watch.
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Old June 17th, 2019, 02:23 PM   #24
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It is as bad as we knew it would be, although we held out some hope.

Hopelessly incompetent and corrupt ministers accusing other ministers of being corrupt. All we hear is the ANC talking about the ANC (when I say we, I mean people who have some common sense and logic, and did not vote ANC or EFF)

And Ramaphosa, our great hope? Quiet as a mouse, or out of the country. You do know that utter imbecile Mabuza is acting president, right! Ffs, we are one Cyril away from being irretrievably f*cked.
Education, health, law and order, jobs - this should be ALL the government is talking about, working tirelessly to get our economy out of its -3% death spiral.
We are plummeting down every table and ranking available. Did you know that South Africa is now below Niger on the international peace index!
When the ANC does manage to do...anything...it is to pull out of the ICC, or support Maduro in Venezuela, or downgrade its relations with Israel, or introduce laws to decrease tourism.

Desperate times.
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Old June 18th, 2019, 08:08 AM   #25
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Where the DA rules, 15-million citizens are simply better off

Later this week President Cyril Ramaphosa will deliver the first state of the nation address of the sixth parliament, but the state of our nation was already revealed in three statistics released in May. Our gross fixed capital formation — in other words net investment — fell for the fifth consecutive quarter, our economy contracted 3.2% in the first quarter and our broad unemployment rate grew to its highest mark of 38%, or 9.9-million South Africans.

We’re not attracting investment, which means we can’t grow the economy, which means we can’t create jobs. That’s the true state of our nation, and it is a direct result of two-and-a-half decades of poor governance brought about by the deployment of unsuitable cadres to critical government positions.

Our country has been crippled by poor governance, but in the DA good governance is our strength. It is our unique selling proposition. Honesty, accountability and efficiency are what set DA governments apart from all ANC-run cities and provinces.

South Africans are undeniably better off, on every measurable criterion, where the DA is in government. They have better access to basic services, they have a better chance of finishing school, they have a better chance of finding work, they have better access to health care near their homes, and they live longer. One of the reasons for this is that we have developed a model of governance underpinned by several important principles.

Three years ago the DA governed for about 6-million people through various provincial, metro and municipal governments. Today that number has almost trebled. About 15-million people wake up every day under a DA-led government, some of which operate under complex coalition arrangements. This places not only a heavy responsibility on the party, it also affords us a precious opportunity to demonstrate what we’re capable of.

Our model of good governance has seen us turn a deficit of more than R1bn in the Tshwane metro into an operating surplus within two years. It has seen the Western Cape achieve a broad unemployment rate that is a full 15 percentage points lower than the national average. And it has seen the Johannesburg metro create 119,000 jobs in 2018, compared with the 200,000 jobs lost by the previous administration over its five-year term.

Heading towards 2021 it is crucial that we are able to replicate and uphold this model of good governance across all DA-led governments through proper oversight, support, mentorship and an application of the lessons we have learnt. This is why we took the decision to bolster our governance unit by assigning the most experienced, most qualified person in our party structures to head it up.

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Old June 18th, 2019, 12:41 PM   #26
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EFF loses appeal bid in Trevor Manuel defamation case

The South Gauteng High Court has dismissed an EFF application for leave to appeal a defamation ruling in a case brought against them by Trevor Manuel.

In late May Judge Elias Matojane had ordered the EFF to apologise to Manuel after the former finance minister sued the party for alleging in a statement that he was a business associate of and related to new SARS Commissioner Edward Kieswetter. Matojane also awarded Manuel R500 000 in general damages.

The EFF, in a statement in March, had described Manuel’s involvement in Kieswetter’s selection process as "nepotistic" and "corrupt". Manuel was the head of a selection panel, appointed by Finance Minister Tito Mboweni, tasked with interviewing candidates to head up the tax agency. The panel made recommendations for the top job, but did not make the final decision.

On Tuesday Matojane ruled that the EFF's grounds for appeal lacked the prospect of success. Motojane also ruled that the awarding of R500 000 in general damages was "reasonable under the circumstances".

"The application for leave to appeal is dismissed with costs, including the costs of two counsel," he wrote.

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Old June 19th, 2019, 02:39 PM   #27
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EFF is irrelevant in Tshwane, says ANC

EFF leader Julius Malema's plan for the EFF to assume control of Tshwane may be weakening after the DA reaffirmed its position in governing the capital city, with the ANC's support.

Malema has said on several occasions that the EFF wants the mayorship in Tshwane. In March, he said that, after elections, the EFF would be going into government and that they would have a mayor in Tshwane.

However, on Tuesday, DA leader Mmusi Maimane reiterated that the party would not be moving out of Tshwane, adding that it was not in a formal coalition with the EFF.

EFF leader Julius Malema's plan for the EFF to assume control of Tshwane may be weakening after the DA reaffirmed its position in governing the capital city, with the ANC's support.

Malema has said on several occasions that the EFF wants the mayorship in Tshwane. In March, he said that, after elections, the EFF would be going into government and that they would have a mayor in Tshwane.

However, on Tuesday, DA leader Mmusi Maimane reiterated that the party would not be moving out of Tshwane, adding that it was not in a formal coalition with the EFF.

Tshwane ANC chairperson Kgosi Maepa told News24 that a deal had been struck with the DA to vote in favour of the budget, which is a pro-poor budget that would see a large capital injection into regions where the ANC finds most of its support.

While Maepa maintained that they would vote issue by issue, with no clear allegiance carved out between the DA and the ANC, he did say that, currently, there was a multiparty arrangement in Tshwane.

The only party that appears to be on the outside is the EFF, which cast a dissenting vote on the budget.

Maepa said the outcome of the budget vote was a clear indication that the EFF had become "irrelevant" in Tshwane.

"It is now clear that the EFF is more interested in playing 'palace politics' at the expense of our communities and welfare of our people," the ANC in Tshwane said.

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Old June 20th, 2019, 09:50 AM   #28
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So the ANC and DA can work together? This is what should be happening, the EFF is a clear and present danger and requires all men who desire peace and prosperity to come together and thwart them. This spirit should be taken into parliament as well. The country should not be held to ransom by the EFF.
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Old June 27th, 2019, 05:17 AM   #29
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Note how WC is the only province that pays off its debt to Eskom:

Charts That Show the Financial Woes of South African Cities

The health of South African municipalities’ finances is deteriorating and instead of taking remedial action, staff at councils are threatening and intimidating the auditors probing their accounts and giving advice, the Auditor-General said.

Auditor-General Kimi Makwetu presented findings on municipal finances for the year through June 2018 on Wednesday. These charts show the dire state of councils across the country.



Of the 257 audited municipalities, the outcomes of 63 regressed while those of 22 improved. Only 18 received a clean audit and no municipality in the Free State, Limpopo and North West provinces got clean audits. There was non-compliance with key legislation at 92% of municipalities, the highest level since the 2012 financial year.





The Auditor-General was unable to audit the procurement of 1.22 billion rand due to missing or incomplete information and flagged contracts awarded to state officials, local council employees and their family members as a concern. There was uncompetitive or unfair procurement processes at 88% of municipalities, most of which relate to not procuring three written quotations or not having competitiv

Delinquent cities have wracked up massive debts to utility companies, including Eskom Holdings SOC Ltd., hampering the delivery of services. Municipalities owe the cash-strapped power provider 20 billion rand. Almost half of this is in arrears, Makwetu said.



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Outstanding stats! - clearly the government is sabotaging itself and SEO's because they are simply too thick, and undisciplined to do the job at hand when their f**king hands are both in the cookie jar aswell!
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Old July 3rd, 2019, 08:13 AM   #31
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EFF playing a risky game here. The ANC in Gauteng is pragmatic and might just make a deal with the DA to lock out the EFF entirely:

EFF could cripple key metros Joburg and Tshwane

In a decision that could destabilise two of the biggest metros in SA’s economic heartland, the EFF said it would not co-operate with either the ANC or the DA in municipalities across the country.

The EFF’s threat not to vote with the bigger parties was made after it failed to secure the mayoral position in Tshwane, where the DA governs with the help of Julius Malema’s party.

Political stability in Johannesburg, where EFF votes enabled the DA’s Herman Mashaba to be elected mayor after the 2016 elections despite his party trailing the ANC, could also be at stake.

The DA "don’t want to vote for us but they want us to
vote for them", Malema said on Tuesday. "We cannot keep on voting for people who can’t vote for us. Power sharing means give and take."

If the threat is carried out, it could hamper decision-making in some of the most important councils in the country, at a time when dysfunctional local governments across the country are in focus.

Businesses including Astral, the country’s biggest poultry producer, have said the failure of municipalities to provide basic services such as water threatens their survival.

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Its a very risky game for them...

In all the places they've made progress they could also lose it come 2021, if the people that supported them this time around see that they've sat on their arses and done nothing...
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EFF bid to declare apartheid-era Riotous Assemblies Act unconstitutional dismissed

The Gauteng High court in Pretoria has dismissed an EFF application to have the Riotous Assemblies Act declared unconstitutional.

The court dismissed the application on Thursday.

The EFF challenged the act on the basis that it was apartheid legislation, which was enacted in response to the adoption of the Freedom Charter at the Congress of the People in 1955.

Judge Aubrey Ledwaba found that the EFF's bid was nothing more than a defence to a charge against EFF leader Julius Malema.

"There is no reason to order the declaratory relief requested by the applicant regarding the trespass act as it may in fact, be nothing more than a defence to a charge against Malema," Ledwaba found.

Malema has been charged in terms of the act in separate cases in the Bloemfontein and Newcastle Magistrate's Courts, after he allegedly called on EFF supporters to illegally occupy land.

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ANC willing to work with DA in Tshwane for good of the people

The ANC in Tshwane will step in to assist the DA in the city following its fallout with the EFF.

The DA yesterday admitted that the EFF’s decision to end its partnership in the two Gauteng metros put it at risk of losing power.

However, the ANC has vowed to come to its aid should its assistance be required.

Speaking at a media briefing on Thursday, ANC Tshwane chairperson Dr Kgosi Maepa said that they were willing to work with the DA and other parties that put the interests of the city's people first.

He said that this decision was influenced by the fact that most of the wards in the city belonged to the ANC and should the council collapse, the party’s constituency would be affected the most.

“The ANC has decided to put the interests of our people first and we have taken a position to work with either of the parties, DA, EFF and other small parties, that put the interests of our people first,” said Maepa.

The DA’s federal executive chairperson James Selfe told SowetanLIVE that the party’s fallout with the EFF came after rejecting the Red Berets demands to run the city.

He said the EFF wanted to instal its own mayor, take credit for some of the city’s successes and become its full coalition partner. The DA rejected all the demands in a meeting held just two weeks after the May national elections.

Maepa has now said the ANC would work with the DA to ensure that the city’s budget, which they voted for in May, is seen through and services are delivered to the people.

“In the May 2019 council, the ANC voted with the DA and others to approve a pro-poor budget that ensures continued service delivery in our constituencies. The EFF was the only party that voted against the 2019/20 budget.

“The ANC is in charge of 68 out of 107 wards in the city of Tshwane, followed by the DA with 39 wards and the EFF has no ward under its management in the city of Tshwane. It was therefore logical to vote for the budget that addresses the needs of our constituency,” he said.

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EFF MPs thrown out of parliament for heckling Gordhan




On Thursday, EFF MPs were forced to leave a parliamentary committee room after heckling public enterprises minister Pravin Gordhan.

Gordhan was set to deliver his budget vote address on Thursday afternoon when the EFF MPs started raising multiple points of order to stop him from speaking. They said the minister should not be allowed to address the committee as he was a “constitutional delinquent”.

Grace Borotho, house chair, asked the EFF MPs to leave the house after a few minutes of arguments on the matter.

It was after this that the matter escalated, with EFF MPs walking up to the podium where Gordhan stood. MPs from other opposition benches and from the ANC rose to defend him.

Plain clothes security officers were called in to push out the EFF MPs.

DA chief whip John Steenhuisen said the behaviour of the EFF MPs was “probably one of the grossest violations of parliamentary privilege” that he had ever seen.

He asked the house chair to refer all members involved to the appropriate forum to be charged with gross disorderly conduct. “We use arguments, not force,” Steenhuisen said.

His request was supported by all other parties present, which included the ANC, the IFP, the African Christian Democratic Party (ACDP) and the National Freedom Party.

Steve Swart from the ACDP said the situation was aggravated by the “threatening attitude towards the minister”. He said the high level of threats had to be addressed.

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F**king clowns - only making all other parties recognise what true chaos looks like, and thus band together
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FF Plus claims victory as Andile Mngxitama's BLF delisted as political party

The Freedom Front Plus (FF Plus) says its appeal to the Electoral Commission of South Africa (IEC) to have Black First Land First (BLF) deregistered as a political party has been successful.

FF Plus leader Pieter Groenewald announced this in a statement on Monday morning.

"The commission ruled that the BLF is indeed excluding membership of the party based on race and that it has been deregistered as a political party," Groenewald said.

The FF Plus' case against the BLF stems from its constitution that only allows black people to join the party.

The BLF's constitution states: "Any black person who has reached the age of 18; accepts the politics, ideological perspective and constitution of the BLF; joins a branch of the organisation and is prepared to work actively in it as part of the branch collective; is committed to honouring the organisation's resolutions and decisions; accepts the organisation's policy perspectives; commits herself/himself to being a disciplined member and is willing to pay the necessary membership fees may become a member of the BLF."

Section 16 (1)(c) of the Electoral Commission Act states that the chief electoral officer may not register a party if, among other things, that party "indicates that persons will not be admitted to membership of the party or welcomed as supporters of the party on the grounds of their race, ethnic origin or colour".

Groenewald said the IEC initially insisted that the BLF had not contravened the law, as its constitution referred to an ideology rather than race.

BLF leader Andile Mngxitama contradicted this himself, saying in a statement opposing the FF Plus' application that the BLF does indeed exclude white people from joining the party.

"The commission, therefore, had to find in favour of the FF Plus and deregister the BLF as a political party," Groenewald said.

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