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Old December 3rd, 2019, 09:03 PM   #1661
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Because Poles wanted this Teutonic castle to look like an actual Teutonic castle, not like a Prussian one.
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Old December 4th, 2019, 12:58 AM   #1662
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Afaik Poland rebuilt everything as much as possible to not include German/Prussian flavors. Like for example Gdansk. Dunno if good or bad, but this was the reason.
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Old December 4th, 2019, 10:21 AM   #1663
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Why "reconstruction in the spirit of XIX-century neo-gothic" is less historically correct than "reconstruction in the spirit of XIV-century gothic"?
Because this is an actual gothic castle.
I don't mean that poles have chosen the best way for reconstructing the castle. I just wanted to say they had their reasons.
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Old December 4th, 2019, 12:26 PM   #1664
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I just wanted to say they had their reasons.
Yep, and I was glad to hear that.

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Old December 4th, 2019, 01:41 PM   #1665
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Afaik Poland rebuilt everything as much as possible to not include German/Prussian flavors. Like for example Gdansk. Dunno if good or bad, but this was the reason.
There were not much to rebuild in Danzig/Gdańsk after the war.
http://www.danzig-online.pl/1945.jpg
The architecture of the early 20th-century GrĂźnderzeit houses, the old houses dating from middle ages but rebuilt at the end of XIX c, were considered at that time (after the war) not valuable (not only in Poland). That's why the historical creation was adopted as the best solution, referring to the appearance of tenement houses (in Gdańsk) from the 17th century. It was also explained of course sometimes that Gdańsk belonged to the Kingdom of Poland at that time. Maybe today Gdańsk does not resemble exactly the pre-war Danzig, but it also does not look like Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad.


"I just wanted to say they had their reasons. "
http://www.tvmalbork.pl/data/article..._1457_1772.jpg
Look at the picture once again and, one can discuss details or variants of reconstruction, but the reason was not polonization (though the castle with probably "this" appearance belonged to Poles longer than to Germans.
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Old December 4th, 2019, 08:09 PM   #1666
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As far as I know the overall approach was to revert to the oldest known and documented version of each structure that was to be reconstructed. You can see countless examples of this approach throughout various Polish cities. I remember reading a truly fascinating and detailed articled on the matter and I'll make sure to post here once I've managed to find it. Keep in mind though that we're talking about actual reconstructions of previously existing buildings, not historically-inspired structures.
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Old December 5th, 2019, 03:06 AM   #1667
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Afaik Poland rebuilt everything as much as possible to not include German/Prussian flavors. Like for example Gdansk. Dunno if good or bad, but this was the reason.
That is partially also due to the 19th century not being as appreciated back then as it is today, even Germany rebuild a lot (most) of the structures in some "medieval" or previous form rather than the more splendid 19th century pre war versions (e.g. Freiburg, and tons more).

Add a little of the political dogma of trying to understand the inclusion of the new "former" territories with the connection to the piast-dinasty and then you'd get an even bigger urge to look for older models rather than the 19th century versions.

Gdansk is kind of inconsequent in itself and a bad example for this, as there's historical German inscription on buildings for example on the Golden Gate, then there's simplifications like the modernised windows of the Artur Hall, completely new "modern" structures within the city as the stalinist former Post Office of the Kaissereich and the completely modern addition and extension of the Art Academy.

Even most of Warsaw was rebuilt with little to no regard of the 19th century and is heavily based on an earlier version that included rebuilding the much older city wall and completely altering iconic land mark structures such as the st. john's archcathedral (which even affected the skyline of the entire old town!)
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Old December 7th, 2019, 01:59 AM   #1668
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Even most of Warsaw was rebuilt with little to no regard of the 19th century and is heavily based on an earlier version that included rebuilding the much older city wall and completely altering iconic land mark structures such as the st. john's archcathedral (which even affected the skyline of the entire old town!)
Which also looked so much better before than it does now, in my opinion.



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Old December 7th, 2019, 01:08 PM   #1669
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By the way, it seems to me that what we see above are one 100% new facades and more or less 90% new buildings erected after the war.
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Old December 8th, 2019, 12:48 PM   #1670
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The last building is gorgeous, all else aside!
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Old December 8th, 2019, 11:39 PM   #1671
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They have finally started to unveil the most recent reconstruction in Elbląg (Elbing), Poland, a hanseatic city that was almost entirely wiped out during the war:

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Old December 13th, 2019, 04:00 PM   #1672
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One of the most beautiful historical reconstructions off all time was never mentioned here before.
Therefor I give it a shout:








Bing images

Is the Eiffel Tower in Paris a re-construction????!
No, it is not. Just joking! Don't take everything so serious.
At the other hand, the tower was assembled in sections inside the factory. But in sections only and only some sections of it.
The sections where disassembled after that, delivered and reassembled on site.

The Eiffel Tower is the original.

This leaves us with a question: Why do architects make such fuss of re-construction?
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Old December 19th, 2019, 03:31 PM   #1673
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Wrocław, Poland - detail reconstruction.
If it has already appeared there then sorry

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Old December 19th, 2019, 04:40 PM   #1674
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Even if it was..too good not to post twice
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Old December 29th, 2019, 05:17 PM   #1675
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Old January 9th, 2020, 10:30 AM   #1676
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ETH candelabras reconstruction | Zürich, Switzerland

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  • Address: Leonhardstrasse 34, 8001 Zürich
  • Architect: Gottfried Semper
  • Status: completed










before:


1980ies simplification:


1870:


source: https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/die-golde...ion-ld.1445066
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Old January 9th, 2020, 03:10 PM   #1677
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Man, why were they ever removed at all?!
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Old January 9th, 2020, 04:48 PM   #1678
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First they were painted dark in the 90s (Zeitgeist), then they rusted through. Now they have been completely reconstructed historically correctly.
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Old January 9th, 2020, 07:48 PM   #1679
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what happened to the statues and the decoration on the upper two floors of the wings?
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Old January 10th, 2020, 12:31 PM   #1680
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"Purification" between 1915 and 1925. Was very common at the time. Unfortunately.
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