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Old March 23rd, 2010, 03:15 AM   #121
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Awesome, another 9/11 truther retard.

Let me explain how your interpretation of the picture is wrong in about thirty-five different ways.

Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon in the area shown, flying at over 500 mph at little over several feet of the ground (which we are well aware of given its appearance in security footage, manner in which damage was inflicted, and the fact the plane managed to clip several lamp posts and a transformer prior to hitting the building). Now, the Flight 77 Boeing 757-223 that hit the building was constructed largely of aluminum alloy's and composite materials which, given their light weight are used to limit the planes weight, providing maximum performance for its two high-bypass turbofans. The Pentagon, built in 1943 is constructed largely out of steel-reinforced concrete and brick, given the architectural methods of the time. Flying a largely lightweight alloy plane into reinforced concrete is not really the most effective of means of causing destruction, given the strength of concrete and its natural fireproofing nature (an effect you can illustrate by crushing a can into a concrete slab); however it is most certainly not built to prevent jet-fuel laden death traps from flying through them.

The picture you posted is not "never seen before" (it was actually published in several notable newsmagazines, as well as USA Today and local Washington D.C. newspapers), nor does it magically reveal the reality of the situation unless you have the cognizance of a squirrel. The picture fully illustrates the truth of the attack; you can obviously see the initial impact on the hull of the plane on the exterior ring wall, while the scorch marks along the aligned walls resulted from the wing impacts (aircraft wings being largely empty sans for controls for flaps and electrical systems powering the landing gear and winglets and wing lights), with the puncture points for the wing's leading edge being visible to the left most noticeably.

After the initial section of Flight 77 plowed through the first ring (taking less then a fraction of a second; the entire plane was disintegrated within under a second given the speed at which it was traveling), the midsection and tail continued to be propelled by the forward motion of the nose, piecing through the two following rings of the building, again within a fraction of a second (hell, the fire damage is clearly visible in this supposedly secret picture which, given the lack of information, or anything supplied with your interpretation is actually hurting your case), with burn damage continuing along the roofing from the enormous jet-fuel driven explosion that rocked the structure.

In one sense, you are correct - this pictures does allow you to see precisely what happened, and how said plane damaged the structure.
I think you owe this guy some respect, no matter if opinions are different. Take a deep breath. There are actually many, many more people than you think that believe this act was carried out by the government, and many more join each day. I don't know who was the "terrorist" in this attack. Up to today, for me, the real truth about 9/11 remains elusive and I don't expect it to appear anytime soon. I do know, however, that all hell has broken loose after this, and that instead of building bonds with other nations and fostering peace we as a nation have allowed or gov't to spread war and hatred based on cheap stereotypes and fueled by the media. I don't think we should worry about 9/11 anymore. I think we should instead care about fixing the gigantic mess we have and the problems we (and our government, primarily) have created. As for now, let's just return to "Freedom Tower."
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Old March 26th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #122
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Old March 30th, 2010, 03:59 AM   #123
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I don't think so, New York is more than a building or in this case two, but of course the twin towers were a remarkable icon.
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Old March 31st, 2010, 01:30 PM   #124
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You are right, but the twin towers were a lot more than a few buildings. Would New York be New York without the statue of liberty? Should Paris be Paris without the Eiffel Tower? New York has a lot of symbols, but the ruined buildings were recognizable around the world!
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Old April 1st, 2010, 01:24 AM   #125
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I can`t understand why do you not like this stinger(spire) on top of the tower!!! I think it will be looks good!!!=)
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 04:16 PM   #126
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I can't wait to visit this beautiful tower!
I actually like the new WTC project, even though the old was better IMO.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 04:30 PM   #127
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CF221,
"I don't know who was the "terrorist" in this attack. Up to today, for me, the real truth about 9/11 remains elusive and I don't expect it to appear anytime soon."

You're a ******* idiot!
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Old April 10th, 2010, 05:09 AM   #128
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I wish the towers would taller- if not the tallest.



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Old January 14th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #129
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FREEDOM TOWER CONSTRUCTION.. by Scott Hudson, on Flickr









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You are right, but the twin towers were a lot more than a few buildings. Would New York be New York without the statue of liberty? Should Paris be Paris without the Eiffel Tower? New York has a lot of symbols, but the ruined buildings were recognizable around the world!
yes new york would be new york without the statue of liberty and paris would be paris without the eiffel tower, just diminished, but any real city is defined by its culture.

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Old January 15th, 2011, 02:12 PM   #130
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Now ....quick, without a second to consider.......what city is this ?


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those buildings were not generic skyscrapers that you could see on a hundred world city skylines...just hope the new does the same job...I wonder ? just time I guess? Loved this skyline...I really did !
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Old February 18th, 2011, 01:08 PM   #131
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Even without them, NY is still instantly recognisable as NY. The new ones could lend themselves a new persona for the city, tho I wouldnt wish the reason for their being on any city.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #132
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The title has 2009 was that the original completion date?
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Old May 4th, 2011, 06:48 AM   #133
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I am sorry to inform you that the forum member that you all knew as Zensteeldude died from injuries sustained in an auto accident on April 20th, the day before his 49th birthday.

Know that his wife and three children are alive and well and coping with this tragedy as best they can. This is the LAST post from Zen. God bless us all.


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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #134
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Old June 28th, 2011, 10:18 PM   #136
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wonderfull project, certanly i´ll be there when everything is done.
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I just dont get the dislike/criticism for this building and development. To me it is the perfect replacement for the WTCs. My only wish is that the building itself were a bit taller to make more of a "statement". It is an elegant design, far more than the originals. And a suitable replacement as a memorial. I just dont get how anyone cannot see the design as anything but a worthy replacement. The memorial grounds are also a great way to pay respect the the lost lives.
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I am sorry to inform you that the forum member that you all knew as Zensteeldude died from injuries sustained in an auto accident on April 20th, the day before his 49th birthday.

Know that his wife and three children are alive and well and coping with this tragedy as best they can. This is the LAST post from Zen. God bless us all.


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That is really sad. If you ever read this Linda, I hope you and your family are keeping well and loved and supported.

RIP Zensteeldude.

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RIP Zensteeldude, life really is to short for all of us.
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