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Old December 12th, 2019, 10:08 PM   #24541
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Another day, another Marriott moving forward in San Jose

Kade Development's dual branded Marriott Hotel & condo project at 292 Stockton ave. seems to be moving along quickly:

https://newsmakeralert.com/ACI-111219.html

Property set to break ground Q2 2020

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Architectural Concepts, Inc. (ACI), a San Diego firm regarded as one of the Southwestís top boutique architectural and interior design firms, announces its first project in conjunction with its new affiliate partner, Architectural Dimensions. James Heilbronner, President of Oakland-based Architectural Dimensions, recently joined the ACI team as Principal and Director of Hospitality.

The joint venture project, a nine-story hotel in San Jose, CA. designed by Architectural Dimensions, will be dual branded as Courtyard by Marriott and Residence Inn by Marriott. The project, with 303 rooms and 19 upper floor condominiums is slated to break ground in Q2 2020. The residential units will be located on the top floor of the hotel. Situated on the corner of West Julian Street and Stockton Avenue, the new project is near downtown and San Jose’s Diridon train station and the future Google transit village.
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The project proposes to develop the site with a nine-story building consisting of 303 hotel rooms and 19 condominium dwelling units. The first floor of the proposed development would include a lobby, lounges, offices, a fitness room, a pool, meeting rooms, a reception area, and a kitchen area (see Figure 3.0-1).

The second through eighth floor of the building would include a total of 303 hotel rooms. In addition to the hotel rooms, the eighth floor of the building would also include four two-story condominiums that would extend to the ninth floor (see Figure 3.0-2). The ninth floor of the building would include an additional 15 single-level residential condominiums for a total of 19 condominiums.

The residential condominiums would consist of one or two bedroom units ranging in size from 806 square feet to 2,229 square feet. The maximum height of the building would be approximately 109 feet, at the top of the mechanical equipment (see Figures 3.0-3 and 3.0-4).

The proposed building would be developed up to the property line along Stockton Avenue and West Julian Street. The building would also be set back approximately 12 feet from the adjacent rail line and approximately three feet from the adjacent building. Figures 3.0-6 to 3.0-7 are conceptual drawings of the finished hotel and condominium buildings.
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On the first floor of the hotel, there would be two terraces on the northeastern and northwestern portion of the building. The first-floor terrace on Julian Street would be for hotel guests only. The second floor would include a pool and fitness center.

The hotel amenities that are available to the condominium residents would be the fitness center and the pool. The project would include a 525 square-foot roof deck and 660 square-foot common area on the ninth floor of the building for condominium residents only. Trees would be planted along the perimeter of the property of various species including strawberry trees, yew podocarpus, and miniature chusan palm trees. Other landscaping, including grass, shrubs, and vines, would also be planted along the perimeter of the building.
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Parking would be provided in a three-level below-grade garage, accessible from a driveway entrance on Stockton Avenue (see Figure 3.0-5). There would be 109 dedicated hotel parking spaces and 20 private condominium spaces for a total of 129 spaces. Thirteen total electric vehicle parking spaces would be provided including 12 spaces for the hotel and one space for the condominiums.

Six Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) accessible parking spaces would be provided, which would meet the parking requirements per the San Josɩ Municipal Code. The project would also provide 47 bicycle parking spaces on the first level of the garage and on the ground floor.
https://www.sanjoseca.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=47486
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Old December 13th, 2019, 12:13 AM   #24542
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Kade Development's dual branded Marriott Hotel & condo project at 292 Stockton ave. seems to be moving along quickly:

https://newsmakeralert.com/ACI-111219.html

Property set to break ground Q2 2020

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https://www.sanjoseca.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=47486
i'm excited for this one to move forward. there's some foreshadowing here as well: vespaio is using this as parking/staging, the q2 2020 groundbreaking means they will be mostly wrapped up and not need to use the lot anymore.

i'm not sold on the new design. neither the old or new are very inspiring for what is about to become a huge tech hub neighborhood.
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Old December 13th, 2019, 02:11 AM   #24543
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Downtown SJ apartment is doing nicely: https://www.costar.com/article/20109...y-construction
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Old December 13th, 2019, 08:05 PM   #24544
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i'm not sold on the new design. neither the old or new are very inspiring for what is about to become a huge tech hub neighborhood.
I think that San Jose suffers from this hotel chain "design fatigue" with mostly mid-level quality hotels as opposed to the high end luxury hotels that we see in most major market cities around the world.



Notice all of the Marriott hotels in San Jose are in the lower tier level where a hotel chain like Marriott will tend to put out cookie cutter designs for these lower tier brands. OTOH, the top echelon luxury hotels like the JW Marriott, St. Regis, Ritz-Carlton, etc. will have much more unique characteristics & quality designs that are not seen in the lower tier hotel brands by Marriott. The same is true throughout the industry with the other large hotel chains where there is a stark differentiation in design quality between the luxury brand vs. the upscale or the upper midscale brands.

Hopefully in the future, a developer will build a top tier five star luxury edition hotel in DTSJ that we can all be proud of. Maybe on our city's south hall convention site perhaps?

Here are two examples of JW Marriott hotels with very distinctive designs that would stand out in any crowd.

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JW Marriott Panama City ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JW Marriott Doha, Qatar
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Old December 13th, 2019, 08:13 PM   #24545
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i'm excited for this one to move forward. there's some foreshadowing here as well: vespaio is using this as parking/staging, the q2 2020 groundbreaking means they will be mostly wrapped up and not need to use the lot anymore.

i'm not sold on the new design. neither the old or new are very inspiring for what is about to become a huge tech hub neighborhood.
Agree. That anonymous block is becoming disturbingly common in developments all around DT SJ. A complete lack of charm or warmth. Not sure how that adds to an upmarket village in an area that could be a real showplace given the presence of Google, SAP and Diridon.
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Old December 13th, 2019, 09:16 PM   #24546
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Penny's building - scaffolding going down (or up - can't remember - haven't been by in a while). Anybody have any news?


And Miro up to 7 stories on the east side (west side seems to be only to about 4 oddly)

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Old December 13th, 2019, 11:14 PM   #24547
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I think that San Jose suffers from this hotel chain "design fatigue" with mostly mid-level quality hotels as opposed to the high end luxury hotels that we see in most major market cities around the world.



Notice all of the Marriott hotels in San Jose are in the lower tier level where a hotel chain like Marriott will tend to put out cookie cutter designs for these lower tier brands. OTOH, the top echelon luxury hotels like the JW Marriott, St. Regis, Ritz-Carlton, etc. will have much more unique characteristics & quality designs that are not seen in the lower tier hotel brands by Marriott. The same is true throughout the industry with the other large hotel chains where there is a stark differentiation in design quality between the luxury brand vs. the upscale or the upper midscale brands.

Hopefully in the future, a developer will build a top tier five star luxury edition hotel in DTSJ that we can all be proud of. Maybe on our city's south hall convention site perhaps?

Here are two examples of JW Marriott hotels with very distinctive designs that would stand out in any crowd.

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JW Marriott Panama City ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JW Marriott Doha, Qatar
hotel design fatigue hits the nail on the head for recent hotel trends in town. when you look at what's proposed and what's been built in the last few years, nothing stands out other than maybe the tribute and that's mainly due to it's location. some may argue that the height limits and construction costs handcuff architectural design, but that's really become an cover for maximizing profits.

i find it absolutely puzzling that we have one of the hottest markets in the world where these lower tier brands are commanding luxury brand pricing and not one high end brand has stepped in yet. the motel 6 on the alameda is going for $174 on a random tuesday in january! meanwhile, the ac hotel down the street is nearly double that at $344. these may not be ritz carlton prices, but if a motel 6 is nearly 200, imagine what st. regis could charge!

the one thing going for us is that we're on marriott's radar. they've opened no less than 5 properties in the last few years in the city. eventually someone at the company is going to see the margins those properties are generating and realize it's time to go bigger.
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Old December 13th, 2019, 11:39 PM   #24548
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hotel design fatigue hits the nail on the head for recent hotel trends in town. when you look at what's proposed and what's been built in the last few years, nothing stands out other than maybe the tribute and that's mainly due to it's location. some may argue that the height limits and construction costs handcuff architectural design, but that's really become an cover for maximizing profits.

i find it absolutely puzzling that we have one of the hottest markets in the world where these lower tier brands are commanding luxury brand pricing and not one high end brand has stepped in yet. the motel 6 on the alameda is going for $174 on a random tuesday in january! meanwhile, the ac hotel down the street is nearly double that at $344. these may not be ritz carlton prices, but if a motel 6 is nearly 200, imagine what st. regis could charge!

the one thing going for us is that we're on marriott's radar. they've opened no less than 5 properties in the last few years in the city. eventually someone at the company is going to see the margins those properties are generating and realize it's time to go bigger.
It all comes down to the operators. They're the ones who put up the money to build and run the hotels under XYZ hotel flag. The type of visitor to DTSJ doesn't seem to fit into the luxury demographic...it's much more on the corporate/convention hotel segment.
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I think that San Jose suffers from this hotel chain "design fatigue" with mostly mid-level quality hotels as opposed to the high end luxury hotels that we see in most major market cities around the world.
We're also seeing that in residential. Core's mid-rise proposal on the BK site in Race @ WSC looks like a nice-ish mid-market hotel... nice *enough*, but anonymous.
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Old December 14th, 2019, 06:44 PM   #24550
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Penny's building - scaffolding going down (or up - can't remember - haven't been by in a while). Anybody have any news?


And Miro up to 7 stories on the east side (west side seems to be only to about 4 oddly)

Correction: 8 floor on east tower and 7 floor on west tower both going up a floor early next week.
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188 West St. James Update: west tower is mostly done and sales office is open for tours of west tower on weekends. East tower will open in April 2021.
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HSBC coming to 1 South Market in the vacated coffee shop.
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Adobe Crane

It was cool to see the Adobe crane with Christmas lights on it.
Sorry for the blurry photo i was in a car.

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It all comes down to the operators. They're the ones who put up the money to build and run the hotels under XYZ hotel flag. The type of visitor to DTSJ doesn't seem to fit into the luxury demographic...it's much more on the corporate/convention hotel segment.
correct, it all comes down to the operators. they're operating 1 star motels at 4 star prices and 3 star hotels at 5 star prices. they currently have zero motivation to up their games due to the shortage of rooms in the core. and while the market is definitely focused more on business and convention travelers, that market could easily sustain 4-500 beds in a true 5 star property at it's top end. it would be competing with the 4 seasons in PA, the valencia at SR, and hotel los gatos than it would with the hilton, marriott, or ac hotels in dtsj.

the market could also easily absorb another 2k rooms of the 3-4 star variety. some could even argue that would be the bare minimum required to sustain the visitors of our larger conventions like fanime and sv comicon.
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correct, it all comes down to the operators. they're operating 1 star motels at 4 star prices and 3 star hotels at 5 star prices. they currently have zero motivation to up their games due to the shortage of rooms in the core. and while the market is definitely focused more on business and convention travelers, that market could easily sustain 4-500 beds in a true 5 star property at it's top end. it would be competing with the 4 seasons in PA, the valencia at SR, and hotel los gatos than it would with the hilton, marriott, or ac hotels in dtsj.

the market could also easily absorb another 2k rooms of the 3-4 star variety. some could even argue that would be the bare minimum required to sustain the visitors of our larger conventions like fanime and sv comicon.
Crunchyroll Expo on Labor Day Weekend seems to be doing about as well as Fanime, and it wouldn't surprise me if they start doing better soon, given their industry connections. It is kind of funny seeing the same artists at both though, hopefully they fully account for sales and the city gets good sales tax revenues in addition to hotel taxes.
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Crunchyroll Expo on Labor Day Weekend seems to be doing about as well as Fanime, and it wouldn't surprise me if they start doing better soon, given their industry connections. It is kind of funny seeing the same artists at both though, hopefully they fully account for sales and the city gets good sales tax revenues in addition to hotel taxes.
crunchyroll and fanime should be getting the red carpet treatment from the city. they are the conventions that draw in a lot of out of towners that book these hotel rooms whereas comicon and the auto show are mostly local draws. apple's wwddc and facebook's f8 have a lot of well heeled out of town attendees as well that would definitely take advantage of a 5 star property in dtsj. the one thing i hear from all the attendees i've talked to is that they want to stay as close as possible to the convention center. i talked to people at the nhl allstar game festivities last year that were staying in gilroy because that's the closest room they could find. that's unacceptable.
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i'm not sold on the new design. neither the old or new are very inspiring for what is about to become a huge tech hub neighborhood.


On the other hand, if every building tried to be a stand-out eye catcher, it would look less like a neighborhood and more like a theme park.

The eye needs to rest.
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On the other hand, if every building tried to be a stand-out eye catcher, it would look less like a neighborhood and more like a theme park.

The eye needs to rest.
I'll take it Better to be polarizing than to be boring
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Re: Stockton Avenue Hotel and Condominium project, for me, this area has looked so unbelievably crappy that anything will be a massive improvement. In that context (perhaps a low bar, I know) I think this building looks fine, if certainly not spectacular. The development well underway catercorner to it (already rising from the ground) is the one to look out for. IIRC, that one was a pretty cool design there.

On a side-note I think accessing this site will be pretty hairy. Seems like only northbound traffic will be able to access, as I don'T think you can have a southbound (left) turn lane. In that regard, seems like there would be a lot of potential to block traffic navigating the (very close) Stockton-Julian intersection. Indeed, the whole immediate area there stands to get "traffic-tricky" once those three major developments are completed in a couple of years.
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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Dirk_Birkin>

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Crunchyroll Expo on Labor Day Weekend seems to be doing about as well as Fanime, and it wouldn't surprise me if they start doing better soon, given their industry connections. It is kind of funny seeing the same artists at both though, hopefully they fully account for sales and the city gets good sales tax revenues in addition to hotel taxes.
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crunchyroll and fanime should be getting the red carpet treatment from the city. they are the conventions that draw in a lot of out of towners that book these hotel rooms whereas comicon and the auto show are mostly local draws. apple's wwddc and facebook's f8 have a lot of well heeled out of town attendees as well that would definitely take advantage of a 5 star property in dtsj. the one thing i hear from all the attendees i've talked to is that they want to stay as close as possible to the convention center. i talked to people at the nhl allstar game festivities last year that were staying in gilroy because that's the closest room they could find. that's unacceptable.
According to TEAM SAN JOSE PERFORMANCE FY 2018-19:

The five events with the highest estimated economic impact contributed 32.1 percent towards TSJís estimated economic impact ($44.5 million). These events, in alphabetical order included:

2019 Apple Worldwide Developers Conference

College Football Playoff Fan Central

2019 National Hockey League All-Star Game

FanimeCon 2019

2019 Silicon Valley International Auto Show

Unlike in some previous years, the financial report doesn't give a breakdown of $dollar amounts for each event here. In the recent past, the results showed that the FanimeCon convention had the highest economic impact. Also, since the College Football Playoff championship game & the NHL Hockey All-Star game are not yearly events here, the results this past year don't conform to past year results.



The above results for Future Hotel Room Nights Booked seem odd in that there were more rooms booked in previous years from 2010 to 2017 then during the past 2 years from 2018 - 2019.

I believe that the results could be showing the effects that Airbnb is having on the hotel industry here where more visitors are renting rooms from Airbnb during their stay here in San Jose - thus negatively impacting the number of rooms being booked in the past several years in DTSJ.

https://www.sanjoseca.gov/home/showdocument?id=44700
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