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Old September 2nd, 2019, 12:14 AM   #3001
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Is any of the interiors going to be reconstructed?
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I agree, it was disrespectful and immature, this is not a building battle.
He's comparing multi-use skyscrapers to a museum and reconstruction. It's not even apples to oranges.
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Old September 2nd, 2019, 11:08 PM   #3003
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They should do something like this in NYC with Penn Station. That was a crime.
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Old September 2nd, 2019, 11:58 PM   #3004
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They should do something like this in NYC with Penn Station. That was a crime.
weren't there talks about reconstructing it recently?
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Old September 3rd, 2019, 12:28 PM   #3005
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Old September 3rd, 2019, 01:09 PM   #3006
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Amazing and absolutely marvellous looking building.

I wouldn't worry about modernist facade it will probably be replaced by the new generation.
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Old September 3rd, 2019, 03:34 PM   #3007
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Replaced with what? What was originally there looked rather messy compared to the rest of the palace, I actually think they went with the best possible solution when they've decided to go with minimalism, it allows the palace to be what it's meant to be without trying to outshine her in any way.

The whole building looks like massive quality, even the minimalist part - the Humboldt Forum inscription looks like a subtle decoration on it.

I would've liked for the minimalist part to be covered with sandstone similar to the palace, for instance this building:

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showp...18&postcount=3

uses that kind of sandstone and interacts greatly with what seems to be a very Spanish historic surrounding. The Latin (Times New Roman) inscriptions and numerals in the simplistic stone are everything.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 01:50 AM   #3008
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weren't there talks about reconstructing it recently?
Visions, yes. But the closest has been rehabiltating the adjacent post office by the same architect as an extention, and not reneweing MSG's lease with long-term prospects that it will remain in the near future.

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Replaced with what? What was originally there looked rather messy compared to the rest of the palace, I actually think they went with the best possible solution when they've decided to go with minimalism, it allows the palace to be what it's meant to be without trying to outshine her in any way.
My concern, which is frankly humorous, is the surviving original portion of the palace exists intact, moved by the communists steps away.

The oldest portions not being reconstructed included a church, so you can see how in today's policitically correct Eurabia why it wasn't, especially as it relates to the debate over reconstruction even in its current form.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 09:28 AM   #3009
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Replaced with what, you may ask?

Anybody can see that one quarter of the building is a completely different style than the rest of it. That is obvious to even your average Joe Blogs. Let's see which part of the building will be photographed most which will rest my argument. I am willing to bet 99% of people will be taking photos of the reconstructed parts and not of the modernist generic side. And that is the entire point to a facade, not only to keep the roof from falling in.

Taking that into account, I'm betting future generations will remove the ugly Spree side and replace it with something decent. Something that aesthetically fits in the context. Something that is worthwhile looking from the a boat on the river.

I'm very grateful they reconstructed the palace and I'm willing to accept the modernist facade but only because I have faith it will be replaced eventually.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 09:41 PM   #3010
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What people fail to understand is that - originally that side was never a part of the 'Baroque' Schloss, it looked like a separate pile of buildings which were all built separably in different epochs (wasn't that the case?).
Yes they might've go with reconstructing that side intact as it was (I wouldn't mind that at all), but truth is, it was never in context with the actual palace.

@RegentHouse You even dare say, they didn't rebuild it because of the church? Apparently churches are now forbidden? Do you even read yourself? Isn't there gonna be a golden cross towering the dome? You're ridiculous with such statements.
Have no idea where you're from but people in Europe went thru centuries of trying to distance themselves from that vile institution called the church.
Trust me, we've had our reasons. Yet I don't mind that cross that's going to be placed on top of it all. Couldn't care less.


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Old September 6th, 2019, 01:58 AM   #3011
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@RegentHouse You even dare say, they didn't rebuild it because of the church? Apparently churches are now forbidden? Do you even read yourself? Isn't there gonna be a golden cross towering the dome? You're ridiculous with such statements.
Have no idea where you're from but people in Europe went thru centuries of trying to distance themselves from that vile institution called the church.
Trust me, we've had our reasons. Yet I don't mind that cross that's going to be placed on top of it all. Couldn't care less.
I believe you answered your own questions calling an insitutution which has been the backbone of Western society as "vile." Couldn't care less.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 05:37 AM   #3012
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The oldest portions not being reconstructed included a church, so you can see how in today's policitically correct Eurabia why it wasn't, especially as it relates to the debate over reconstruction even in its current form.
Your narrative has one tiny flaw, why does "politically correct Eurabia" reconstruct the dome with a huge, golden Christian cross carried by angels?



And why is there a Bible quote in giant golden letters on bright blue background running around the dome?


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Old September 6th, 2019, 05:07 PM   #3013
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Reconstructing an eclectic mix of random add ons would have been pointless. They were later additions and therefore not relevant to the constitution of the original building. I would have favoured leaving that facade missing and having an open courtyard facing the river. Or just continuing the baroque facade around to the river side.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 05:12 PM   #3014
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Leaving it open would have created such a cool riverfront space.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 05:48 PM   #3015
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I believe you answered your own questions calling an insitutution which has been the backbone of Western society as "vile."
Backbone of Western society? Now I've read everything.

Wasn't this the same institution that in the middle ages introduced Europeans to raging wars in the middle east with people we have not a single link to?
Wasn't this the same institution that prosecuted our greatest intellectuals, such like Leonardo da Vinci (IQ of 220, not ever repeated in human history)? Who on the other side demanded education and medical research in order to improve the quality of human life? Who made the postulates of Art, even though at his time he only had color produced from grass and dirt.

Have no idea where you're from, but in Europe we've had our Renaissance for a reason. That's the period of European history where the civilization starts. That's where we got our Universities from. That's our actual backbone.

Not a fictional tale where the woman is created from a man's ribs. While in actuality, we all know we grow in a woman's belly for 9 months, taking oxygen and food suply from her own blood, in order to become human.

Enough of your boresome (yawn) offtopic, like literally you haven't mentioned a single sustainable argument considering the Baroque Palace.

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Reconstructing an eclectic mix of random add ons would have been pointless. They were later additions and therefore not relevant to the constitution of the original building. I would have favoured leaving that facade missing and having an open courtyard facing the river. Or just continuing the baroque facade around to the river side.
If the palace was open with the courtyard to the river - I agree, it would've been great, it would've looked so approachable and open to people who would've been relaxing at the riverfront during Berlin's summers.

Anyways - a continuation of the Baroque facade would've disrupted the genuinely original building, resulting with more of an imitation.
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Old September 9th, 2019, 02:18 PM   #3016
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Have no idea where you're from, but in Europe we've had our Renaissance for a reason. That's the period of European history where the civilization starts. That's where we got our Universities from. That's our actual backbone.
This isn't even remotely true.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 03:00 AM   #3017
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Your narrative has one tiny flaw, why does "politically correct Eurabia" reconstruct the dome with a huge, golden Christian cross carried by angels?

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And why is there a Bible quote in giant golden letters on bright blue background running around the dome?
Please, my atheist friend says Jesus Christ in vain more than any support your counter-argument provides. But you know, great progress actually reconstructing the dome this time rather than an upside down glass bowl.

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Wasn't this the same institution that in the middle ages introduced Europeans to raging wars in the middle east with people we have not a single link to?
Right, those unprovoked Mohammedans totally didn't take over most of Asia Minor, North Africa, and Iberia.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 08:17 AM   #3018
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They should do the same with the Mexican Capitol in Mexico City, it was a crime. One of the most Beautiful palaces of Mexico. 😭😭



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Old September 10th, 2019, 02:46 PM   #3019
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The difference is that the Mexican Capitol was never finished, only the central dome, and it now serves as an arch. But I would love to see it finished one day, the design was beautiful.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 03:48 AM   #3020
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Right, those unprovoked Mohammedans totally didn't take over most of Asia Minor, North Africa, and Iberia.
They were stopped by the Spanish in Vienna, actually. For more than 150 years Hungary was part of the Turkish Empire. The birthplace of the Western civilization was Athens, which remainded turkish for 500 years. People ignore such things...
Anyways, I'm happy for the cross just because the kuppel was designed with it, and the overall shape makes more sense in an architectural way with it. But if it were a star or anything else, I guess noone would notice the difference The same for the church in the back (I had no idea there was one), really, noone cares. I don't believe someone would think "let's not do it for political correctness". In fact, most berliners find the german flag way more shocking than the cross
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