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Old April 28th, 2016, 08:01 PM   #101
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A stadium in Las Vegas will work if it is a destination. Destination to host, the Raiders 10 games, UNLV football 10 games, MLS (tarp of top) 20 games, SuperBowl, College Football Bowl games 1 bowl game, Concerts 30 concerts, Boxing & UFC for over the top fights only 1 or 2, final four. That could near 80 events per year.

The area around stadium: Giant Hotel, Plaza with TimesSquare type screens on hotel to show every sporting game around the world, on the screens at all times, Hotel will have auditorium for other events, Casino, Bars, Clubs, Restaurants. Have a Hall of Fame that has the history of Sports Moments. (Memorabilia of all the great sports moments of every sport, History of Sports). Lots of room for organized tailgating

Make the Stadium unique: 1. Retractable Roof or ETTF Roof, 2. all types of suites, fantasy football suites, VIP entrances, 3. Real grass moves outside like University of Phoenix Stadium. 4. And JerryWorld type scoreboard
5. IF Possible (I'm dreaming): the floor of the stadium retracts down for easy movement of first rows of stands, For moving stands around to incorporate the different events (UFC, Boxing, Basketball, Hockey, Concerts, Soccer, Football) This way changing from concert to football to UFC is fast within hour or two. 6. For events like UFC, MLS, Basketball, Hockey: have the 2nd deck of stands retract closer to the field, to get rid of terrible views the the Final Four Basketball is notorious for. This idea has not happened yet, but this stadium needs to be one of a kind.


The Goal is to Make the stadium and surrounding area THE CAPITAL OF THE SPORTS WORLD.
This is certainly the right approach since the LV population is too small to support a team without help from tourists. The key is attracting enough Raider fans from California and fans from the opponents' home towns who are looking for a long weekend out of the cold (LV is pretty mild through November).

The NFL has to think about whether it makes sense to have a featured attraction so close to their "West Coast HQ" in LA, especially one where the land, stadium and operations are under the effective control of giant casinos and with Mark Davis as the NFL's rep. Sounds like a high risk, little upside proposal as it stands. There may be some push-back from the NFL who will ask (as they did with Farmers) how exactly they are making billions in LV.

The other choice is to put the Raider brand in LA, where they own the land, stadium, huge surrounding developments and have the PR program in place and humming. So there is a very viable alternative to serve as leverage.

btw, some of your other proposals are probably just cannibalizing events from other LV venues and I'm not sure why UNLV has 10 home games, but those are peripheral issues.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 08:22 PM   #102
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Support LV Dome ‏@SupportLVDome 8s8 seconds ago
Stadium committee seeking special session in August to approve stadium. Mark Davis in turn to seek NFL approval late this year/early next.

J.D. Morris ‏@thejdmorris 4m4 minutes ago
The design, financing, construction and operation of the stadium would be handled by a new Clark County Stadium Authority.

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 9s9 seconds ago
"Wow is all I can say," says @mayoroflasvegas, showing her commitment to vet the proposal.

Support LV Dome ‏@SupportLVDome 12m12 minutes ago
Davis pledges Raiders will contribute $500 million to the stadium project if approved. #DOTHEDOMETHING

Jeff Gillan ‏@jgillanNews3LV 1m1 minute ago Paradise, NV
Craig Cavileer, Majestic on funding: $650 million private, remainder public. $1.4 billion stadium @News3LV

Howard Stutz ‏@howardstutz 1m1 minute ago Paradise, NV
Private funding for stadium now $650 million of the $1.4b - sounds like Raiders will kick in $500 million according to Davis #SNTIC

J.D. Morris ‏@thejdmorris now45 seconds ago
Cavileer clarifies that public $50 million / year would cover $750 million of construction cost of $1.4 billion stadium.

Rick Velotta ‏@RickVelotta now13 seconds ago Las Vegas, NV
Public money for the stadium: $750M through issuance of state or county bonds pledged to hotel room tax. #RJNow

Support LV Dome ‏@SupportLVDome 12m12 minutes ago
Vegas "would not just be getting a football team, they would be getting everyone who has worn the silver and black for the last 56 years"

Mike Doria ‏@MikeDoria 5m5 minutes ago
Soccer great [email protected] shares reason he wants @RAIDERS stadium built in #Vegas.

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 8m8 minutes ago
David Beckham, who knows a lot about another kind of football, joins with his partner, the Sands, to talk about HOW GREAT THIS IS.

Jon Castagnino ‏@JonCastagnino 13m13 minutes ago
Beckham: “I have a great partnership with @LasVegasSands.” Discussing expansion on MLS and soccer.

The Rebel Report ‏@RebelReportUNLV 7m7 minutes ago
Beckham: “Vegas creates an experience. To bring an organization like the @RAIDERS is amazing, but it’s bigger than that."

J.D. Morris ‏@thejdmorris 7m7 minutes ago
Basically Beckham argues that the 65,000-seat domed stadium could bring major soccer games to Vegas in addition to NFL, etc.

Jon Castagnino ‏@JonCastagnino 11m11 minutes ago
Beckham: “I can only speak to the soccer part… to be part of this and speak this morning is a huge honor."

Howard Stutz ‏@howardstutz 3m3 minutes ago Paradise, NV
Tim Leiwike said Dome Stadium would bring an MLS team to Las Vegas. LVSands board member Jason Ader is here - he wants to own an MLS team

Support LV Dome ‏@SupportLVDome now46 seconds ago
Dome will have natural grass. "Natural grass is a big deal."

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports now8 seconds ago
Davis says they need 200 acres, others say 45 acres. Says other sites being considered besides UNLV site.

Support LV Dome ‏@SupportLVDome 39s39 seconds ago
Davis willing to play a preseason game at Sam Boyd Stadium beginning in the 2017 NFL season.

Rick Velotta ‏@RickVelotta 37s37 seconds ago Las Vegas, NV
Davis says Raiders would keep practice facility in NCal while new one built here. If move approved, team would play 2 more years in Oakland.

J.D. Morris ‏@thejdmorris now5 seconds ago
Davis says in his case it would be a "lifetime commitment" to Las Vegas if a stadium gets built here.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 09:20 PM   #103
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Wow! That is quite a bit of news to drop on the day of the NFL draft! That's the raiders going rogue I guess
No doubt about it, Davis is pretty serious about Las Vegas, though I wonder if LA opening up for him if the Chargers stay in SD would change his mind at all.

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Old April 28th, 2016, 10:25 PM   #104
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Wow! That is quite a bit of news to drop on the day of the NFL draft! That's the raiders going rogue I guess
No doubt about it, Davis is pretty serious about Las Vegas, though I wonder if LA opening up for him if the Chargers stay in SD would change his mind at all.

ETA: Thanks for the excellent aggregating slippery dog
I think Davis can live with either LA or LV (as opposed to Portland, STL, SA, etc., which he couldn't live with).

The problem is the NFL. Davis knows they have to give their approval and usually asks "what's in it for us?" They may not feel comfortable with the deal or with Davis as their point man in a city with issues like gambling and big sports and entertainment deals floating around. It may still go back to Davis showing he has the organization and skills to play with the big boys, which is not clear to me has happened.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #105
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I think Davis can live with either LA or LV (as opposed to Portland, STL, SA, etc., which he couldn't live with).

The problem is the NFL. Davis knows they have to give their approval and usually asks "what's in it for us?" They may not feel comfortable with the deal or with Davis as their point man in a city with issues like gambling and big sports and entertainment deals floating around. It may still go back to Davis showing he has the organization and skills to play with the big boys, which is not clear to me has happened.
Yeah, all good points. The NFL will surely look on this marriage of Mark Davis and the Sands with highly skeptical eyes. Like you say, do they really want a (relatively) weak owner running a franchise in a city with billionaire casino moguls and big whale gamblers at every turn? I have a feeling that IF the chargers stay in San Diego, then Davis will be "highly encouraged" (i.e. basically forced) into dropping Vegas and moving in with the Rams in Inglewood.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 11:08 PM   #106
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Yeah, great summary slipperydog. I'm starting to wonder with both Beckham and Leiweke there and their partnership with Las Vegas Sands, if they are going to abandon the Miami plan and just start a franchise in Vegas. That would be hilarious.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 11:12 PM   #107
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Yeah, all good points. The NFL will surely look on this marriage of Mark Davis and the Sands with highly skeptical eyes. Like you say, do they really want a (relatively) weak owner running a franchise in a city with billionaire casino moguls and big whale gamblers at every turn? I have a feeling that IF the chargers stay in San Diego, then Davis will be "highly encouraged" (i.e. basically forced) into dropping Vegas and moving in with the Rams in Inglewood.
Nice way of putting it.

Or, on the same note, the NFL may suggest that a team in LV would be a distinct possibility if the stadium owners signed an exclusive long-term agreement with the NFL to jointly provide entertainment programming for the stadium and any surrounding developments, with the NFL SVP of JV's in charge; and an understanding that the JV would not compete against other NFL projects (e.g., Inglewood stadium). Details to be worked out by our respective teams.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 11:19 PM   #108
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Absolutely, any major football initiatives taken by a team in Las Vegas will require the NFL's fingerprints. The league won't sit ideally by and let one team, a rogue team run by a suspect owner for that matter, run roughshod through one of the major entertainment nodes of the country.
I think the NFL will make abundantly clear to the Sands Corp. and to LV, if you want the Raiders you have to deal us in as well, and if you're OK with us guiding the process, THEN we can talk.
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Old April 28th, 2016, 11:46 PM   #109
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VARIOUS CITIES - Future Oakland Raiders Stadium

Las Vegas is Mark Davis' wet dream. A place he doesn't have to build and finance himself. Being in Vegas, he'll be attracting many of the LA Raiders fans, particularly from the inland empire and desert. As a matter of fact, my uncle lives in Lake Elsinore, and bought Rams season tickets, but will cancel and get Raiders season tickets next year if they are approved for the move.

It will be interesting how the NFL approached this, and whether the old guard anti-Vegas crowd can block the move, or if there is a portion of owners who simply don't want Davis to be the one to test the waters. Also, I can see Kroenke and Spanos being wary of another team in the region.
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Also, I can see Kroenke and Spanos being wary of another team in the region.
Phoenix is closer to Las Vegas than San Diego.

I don't see Kroenke, Spanos, or Bidwell having any issue with the Raiders in Vegas. The demographics are very different for each.
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Phoenix is closer to Las Vegas than San Diego.

I don't see Kroenke, Spanos, or Bidwell having any issue with the Raiders in Vegas. The demographics are very different for each.
yeah, if anything, having the raiders in vegas perfectly splits up the population of the "Southland" i.e. the megalopolis that is centered around LA. The rams draw fans from LA county, northern O.C. and points immediately north, the chargers draw fans from San Diego County, southern O.C. and Tijuana, and the raiders draw fans from Las Vegas, Riverside and San Bernardino counties. While it may not be ideal for the league, when it comes to SoCal, this would be the ideal way for each team to carve out its place without stepping on the toes of anyone else.
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yeah, if anything, having the raiders in vegas perfectly splits up the population of the "Southland" i.e. the megalopolis that is centered around LA. The rams draw fans from LA county, northern O.C. and points immediately north, the chargers draw fans from San Diego County, southern O.C. and Tijuana, and the raiders draw fans from Las Vegas, Riverside and San Bernardino counties. While it may not be ideal for the league, when it comes to SoCal, this would be the ideal way for each team to carve out its place without stepping on the toes of anyone else.
Agree with you again. LV is largely a resort suburb of LA with about 25 percent of the visitors from SoCal (probably more since many from LA don’t get rooms or stay 6-10 to a room). The trip from the IE is about 3 hours by car (EXCEPT going Friday afternoon or returning Sunday afternoon).

It’s hard to imagine a better weekend for many Raiders fans than getting totally trashed and jumping onto their bikes or trucks and blasting across the desert, crashing at somebody’s place in LV and staying wasted all day Sunday at the game and all night at some strip club. And LV has all the facilities to deal with this kind of visitor (clubs, drug dealers, jails, hospitals).

The Bako and Fresno people can do it fairly quickly too; only the Sacramento and Bay Area fans have a really long haul (maybe 8 hours, assuming around 100 on 5, 58 and 15).

Plus Kroenke and Spanos are rid of the biggest potential troublemakers at their stadiums, bars, shopping centers, etc.

Win, win, win.
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Old April 29th, 2016, 02:02 AM   #114
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...only the Sacramento and Bay Area fans have a really long haul (maybe 8 hours, assuming around 100 on 5, 58 and 15).
I many LA Raiders fans traveling back and forth from the Bay Area via Southwest Airlines on gameday, so I have to think the same will hold true for Bay Area and Sacremento Raider fans going the other direction, whether it's to LA or Las Vegas.

Maybe Southwest could do gameday promotions (cheaper than usual airfare, or free drink tickets if you wear your gear maybe?) to encourage further planefuls of traveling fans. LV is already one of their primary hubs.

But the existing fanbase aside, since Vegas is already a party destination for much of the country, I'd imagine the fans of most away teams visiting LV (especially Northeastern teams during the frigid height of football season) would travel very well.
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I many LA Raiders fans traveling back and forth from the Bay Area via Southwest Airlines on gameday, so I have to think the same will hold true for Bay Area and Sacremento Raider fans going the other direction, whether it's to LA or Las Vegas.

Maybe Southwest could do gameday promotions (cheaper than usual airfare, or free drink tickets if you wear your gear maybe?) to encourage further planefuls of traveling fans. LV is already one of their primary hubs.

But the existing fanbase aside, since Vegas is already a party destination for much of the country, I'd imagine the fans of most away teams visiting LV (especially Northeastern teams during the frigid height of football season) would travel very well.
Oh, without a doubt. You can get a nonstop flight from virtually any mid-sized market in the US. As soon as the Raiders schedule comes out, those flights from Buffalo, KC, Nashville, Denver, Boston, etc. will be booked immediately.

Plenty of folks who are planning trips to Vegas will plan their trips around catching a game as well. The NFL is the nation's largest sporting obsession, and Vegas is the nation's favorite party destination, so they'll have absolutely no problem filling seats.
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I many LA Raiders fans traveling back and forth from the Bay Area via Southwest Airlines on gameday, so I have to think the same will hold true for Bay Area and Sacremento Raider fans going the other direction, whether it's to LA or Las Vegas.

Maybe Southwest could do gameday promotions (cheaper than usual airfare, or free drink tickets if you wear your gear maybe?) to encourage further planefuls of traveling fans. LV is already one of their primary hubs.

But the existing fanbase aside, since Vegas is already a party destination for much of the country, I'd imagine the fans of most away teams visiting LV (especially Northeastern teams during the frigid height of football season) would travel very well.
Or maybe SW could raise prices to match the high demand like they do on all other high demand dates?

Shows how business works: people who were working on charter flights from LV to LA for Rams games now they may have to focus on LA to LV for Raiders games.
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I'm out, I can't care if Beckham is in it. This is getting too crazy.
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Just... dayum. Becks must be getting desperate to associate with these guys.

Vegas and the Raiders seem a perfect match, as I'm less than impressed with both and don't treat either like a legit enterprise. And given the technology of the day and age I can't see how much different any potential gambling influence would be whether a team is located in Las Vegas or Amish country. Just don't dick the taxpayers.
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Just... dayum. Becks must be getting desperate to associate with these guys.

Vegas and the Raiders seem a perfect match, as I'm less than impressed with both and don't treat either like a legit enterprise. And given the technology of the day and age I can't see how much different any potential gambling influence would be whether a team is located in Las Vegas or Amish country. Just don't dick the taxpayers.
The taxes are all on hotel visitors so it all seems to make sense (once you accept the idea that "visitors" really means "targets" or "victims").

Remember that Beckham is a "face" here, not a planner or funder. But he is a face that, like the Raiders, has strong LA connections, and LV is commercially dependent on LA traffic.
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I'm a proponent of "Sin City Raiders."
I can imagine Roger Goodell slowly looking up, squinting his eyes slightly and calmly but firmly shaking his head at that suggestion
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