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Old July 17th, 2008, 03:36 AM   #81
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A lot of the suburban streets/roads that the trams used are really too narrow and people have become conditioned to having 2 lanes.
Wynnum/Lytton Road for instance used to have tram lines up the middle from Morningside to East Brisbane, you could never go back to that now.

Also at present we don't have the population density in the suburbs such as a city like Munich does.
When I mentioned how good the trams were there, it was probably also because even in the burbs it was all 3/4 level apartment buildings.
Get 1 or 2 suburbs out of the Bris CBD and it is mostly detached houses with nice backyards. No population density.

They had trams pre-60's because until then most Australians didn't own their own cars, they were luxery items.
Now almost every household has at least one. One of the funny things about looking at a lot of old photos is how few cars are on the streets.

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Old July 17th, 2008, 05:15 AM   #82
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Yes, but in effect isn't a tram only going to take up as much room on the road as a bus or truck? Buses and trucks manage to navigate the streets, so why not trams? I don't know, maybe I'm blinded/biased as someone who uses only public transport and who loves trams...
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Yes, but in effect isn't a tram only going to take up as much room on the road as a bus or truck? Buses and trucks manage to navigate the streets, so why not trams? I don't know, maybe I'm blinded/biased as someone who uses only public transport and who loves trams...
I think I read somewhere that (presumably depending on vehicle profiles and such factors) a tram actually takes a little less road width - but they would be pretty similar, one vehicle lane to all intents.

The fact that trams don't deviate from their path works to their advantage too. They are accepted in pedestrianised areas because their path is predictable. People feel uncomfortable sharing space with a bus, on the other hand, because they don't know if it will deviate from its path. The manufacturers of those 'tram' buses in Europe are aware of these psychological factors, that's why they cover up the wheels. Do you ever see somebody designing a tram to look like a bus?

Certainly this mediaeval gate would have had the crap knocked out of it by now if it was a bus route going through it rather than a tram:

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Old July 21st, 2008, 09:52 AM   #85
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busway flythrough -> http://www.translink.com.au/qt/trans...ern_flythrough
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Old January 29th, 2009, 08:17 AM   #86
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can we merge this with the eastern busway thread??
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Old January 29th, 2009, 08:49 AM   #87
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what about the boggo road busway, the SE Busway extension and the Northern Busway?
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Old January 29th, 2009, 12:46 PM   #88
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i don't think they have their own seperate threads in the transport section... do we need seperate theads for all 5?
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Old January 29th, 2009, 02:17 PM   #89
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Jesus..... Thats shot hasn't changed much over the years. Its true !!
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Old January 29th, 2009, 04:10 PM   #90
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Old January 29th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #91
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I know what he means, I drive through there often, the PA has changed, no Torbreck, trams (obviously), cars seem to used to dump a bit more oil on the road, can't make out any TV towers, but the basic houses and shops at Camp Hill look the same. Pity the cinema isn't still operational.

The smog actually looks worse back then.
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Is that shot taken near Camp Hill state primary? Intersection of Boundary and Old Cleveland Rd?
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HEY... I know where that is!!! Good crikey... It's the same!

That's a bit weird.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 11:19 PM   #94
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you can almost see the house i grew up in in that photo. The pic was taken from the belltower of the church near the intersection of old cleveland rd/boundary rd/wiles st by the looks of it.
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i don't think they have their own seperate threads in the transport section... do we need seperate theads for all 5?
no, i was asking why we dont merge them as well, i thought they had threads in the transport section as well
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oh ok, yup, i agree.
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You serious?
Yes, very serious.
Most of the houses on the right hand side are still there. The shops on the left hand side from where the first car is is virtually untouched.

Apart from the cars and the tram tracks that section of Old Cleveland Rd looks the same today as it did years ago.
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yep, we lived a block from there for 7 years (2yrs ago) and it's almost identical - trees are a bit bigger thats all - shame about the trams.....
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Some of those tram tracks are still there - near the Camp Hill Hotel I think.

I also know the area well, and agree that the streetscape is almost unchanged... mind you the CBD in the distance is a little bit biggger now
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Where is the South Western Busway

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It makes me mad that all these other places are getting busways and south western suburbs are not.

Have you seen the City Rocket buses are stuck on the Western Freeway (stupid Toowong Roundabouts), busway down the middle of the freeway would be nice and a quick trip to indooroopilly is good and to the centenary estates is also good.

Or a busway under coro drive would be nice, thought toowong to indooroopilly.

The other busway is needed under ipswich road there is a lot of buses routes use ipswich road and a they are all stuck in the traffic too.

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