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Old November 7th, 2007, 11:27 AM   #1
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The Ring Road

It's become fashionable, especially amongst those leading the regeneration of our city, to talk of the ring road in derogatory terms ("it's ugly", it's a barrier to growth" etc). But... is it really that bad?

Sure, the original planners could have perhaps routed certain sections differently (the part near the old town springs to mind), but consider the alternative. Would we really want our city centre cut into two (or even four) by a dual carriageway (or two) going straight though the middle? Charles Street is bad enough and that only cuts off a small section. The problem with the ring road is not that it's there (except in certain parts) but that for large stretches it's not so much pedestrian unfriendly as pedestrian hostile (there are either no ground level crossings or if there are they tend to take a long time to change). The motorway style crash barriers in the central reservation along Vaughan Way and bloody ugly too. But right now it's the best solution we have for getting large volumes of traffic from one side of the city to the other without having it all going through the centre and making that look even worse (due to the effects of the added pollution on the buildings).

So. What can be done to make the ring road less of a liability and more of an asset? I've already suggested using it for a rapid transit service around the city (dedicated peak hours bus lane) and as the best place to position the city's multi storey car parks (stop the cars having to drive to places like Abbey Street and Lee Circle and there's less reason not to pedestrianise these areas), but what else can you think of?
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Old November 7th, 2007, 03:19 PM   #2
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was in leicester on saturday and the ring road is ******* horrible, sorry. all about better public transport infrastructure, better walkability, and getting rid of the concrete collar. tis the only way
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Old November 7th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #3
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Leicester's ring road ruined every part of Leicester that it has touched. It isn't going to go away though - so we need to put up some better architecture. For anyone from Nottingham who doesn't know Leicester, think Maid Marian Way on a massive scale...
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Leicester would be crippled without the ring road, and the city would not be able to have pedestrianisation. What needs to be done is to have more bridging over (like what was originally planned for the shires extension. If anything, Leicester needs to improve it's roads into the city centre, as there are barely any decent roads into the city.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 03:47 PM   #5
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Also it would help if the ringroad was redesigned to flow better, with perhaps less junctions, and pedestrian crossings going over like at new walk, rather than accross.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 03:53 PM   #6
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I don't think getting rid of it is a practical solution any more. Just think of the volumes of traffic that uses it at peak times, and then imagine that on a two lane road. It'd be horrendous (As anyone who lives on Narborough Road can tell you). And let's face it: Leicester is stuck with the car as the main means of transport for the majority of people. We're never going to get a joined up bus service, nor trams or trolley buses; and certainly not a monorail or a tube system. At least not in our lifetimes. In Leicester the car is king. We just need to make his realm a less intrusive place.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 04:00 PM   #7
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The ring road crippled Leicester. The concrete collar separated the central core from its residential and historic framework. Leicester needed to accomodate the car, but not in the destructive manner that it did.

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See above - a terrible act of vandalism that destroyed Leicester's Old Town!
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Old November 7th, 2007, 04:04 PM   #8
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There's no reason why Leicester can't have a joined up bus service, if the council or whoever pays the subsidies demanded so.
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The ring road crippled Leicester. The concrete collar separated the central core from its residential and historic framework. Leicester needed to accomodate the car, but not in the destructive manner that it did.

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See above - a terrible act of vandalism that destroyed Leicester's Old Town!
But what is the difference between that and the massive destruction and separation of communities that building railway lines a century earlier had?

On the subject of railways; Why cant there be a set of local stations on current railway lines; for example part of the ivanhoe line (which plans can be seen on old maps form about 1997) and also stations at places like Blaby, and other areas.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 09:40 PM   #10
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There is no reason why things can't happen in Leicester. It's just that no one seems to be prepared to carry out these good ideas.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 01:13 PM   #11
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Don't forget the contribute toward this - a huge opportunity for us to make our feelings known...

http://www.leicester.gov.uk/your-cou...es-and-options
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As there isnt and probably wont be a decent public transport alternative in the near future. How do people think that Leicesters roads into the centre could be improved so to releave congestion on these roads?

Does anyone know why the Glen Parva Bypass was not built in the end, as this would have removed a lot of congestion in that area?
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I can't answer either of those questions?

I suppose to relieve congestion, we need less cars coming into the centre. Car-pooling incentives may work? Public transport is the best option though.

Not aware of the Glenfield by-pass?
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The proposed bypass is on old maps from about 1997 along with many potential local stations on the Ivanhoe line.

The problem with discouraging car drivers is that the city centre will be disadvantaged over places like Fosse Park, unless there was a cheap, reliable etc public transport network, and thats not looking like it will happen i the near future.
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Is it the Western bypass that you mean? that was built in the mid 1990's and part of it bypasses Glenfield?

Hopefully the Ivanhoe Line may be back on track (sorry)...

If we don't decrease the number of cars on city roads, then congestion will remain. Unless some genius can come up with another way? Perhaps technology could prevent congestion in some way?
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Sorry i meant Glen Parva
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If we don't decrease the number of cars on city roads, then congestion will remain. Unless some genius can come up with another way? Perhaps technology could prevent congestion in some way?
Improve the buses, fix the bottlenecks and silly ammounts of traffic lights, pedestrianise more areas. The council have the power to do all of this, so why aren't they bloody doing it?!
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Improve the buses, fix the bottlenecks and silly ammounts of traffic lights, pedestrianise more areas. The council have the power to do all of this, so why aren't they bloody doing it?!
Forgive the cynic in me, but if they did all this and reduced congestion, how would they be able to charge a congestion charge?
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hehe.. fair point. It's bound to come to Leicester..
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I really hope not! I think it will ruin our city, and make all the regeneration worthless.
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