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Old August 13th, 2019, 04:17 AM   #1101
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SMCs plan has always been to absorb ALL of NAIAs traffic + growth in the next 50 years that's why you never hear them say 35m... You always hear them talking 100m to a "max" of 200m.

I'm very skeptical with Bulacan like many other people here, but that plan of theirs is doable and SMC has the ability to do it.

So, if SMC actually does it - as signalled by a start in reclamation activities - then I'm 100% confident NAIA can be closed down, sooner or later... Later of course, they they go ahead with the NAIA rehab + expansion, because the concession agreement will probably be 25yrs.

No need to keep NAIA after that. Convert it into a money-making property for government instead.
Well, yeah. SMC would have to convince foreign carriers to transfer to PAL's airport in Bulacan. If SMC gave them a handsome offer they cannot resist, then foreign carriers would grab it. I can see why PAL would give that offer because ultimately, foreign carriers would work with PAL to partner on all domestic transfer being full service carrier.

The only reason why NAIA will remain is if it is turned into a true LCC terminal. Clark would have to work aggressively to lure LCCs there... If you all have not noticed it yet, seems like the terminal at Clark being built now seems mostly catering to LCC. That would be a win win situation because if NAIA is closed, those who chose to use Clark for their domestic final destination using LCC, it will be faster to get to Clark from Bulacan. Clark would still be able to keep a handful full service carrier but that's the beauty of all these.. If that is not where this is all going. Then I can see NAIA being turned into LCC full blast. It doesn't mean that it will completely kill Clark though. Clark would still serve the population north of metro manila .
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Old August 13th, 2019, 04:54 AM   #1103
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Well, yeah. SMC would have to convince foreign carriers to transfer to PAL's airport in Bulacan. If SMC gave them a handsome offer they cannot resist, then foreign carriers would grab it. I can see why PAL would give that offer because ultimately, foreign carriers would work with PAL to partner on all domestic transfer being full service carrier.
NMIA is a San Miguel airport, not PAL. They haven't officially announced that it will be their new main operating base once it opens in 2024 or 2026.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 05:22 AM   #1104
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That's all well and good shutting NAIA if a transport infrastructure was in place to serve the residents of Southern Luzon to connect to NMIA. The reality it isn't and won't be for another decade or more.

Clark & NMIA are both on the Northern side of Mega Manila leaving long travel times for Southern residents of Mega Manila & Southern Luzon.

If you transferred all NAIA traffic in one go in 6 years time, the initial phase of 50 million passengers would already be full to capacity on opening. It could take SMC 8-10 years to build terminal capacity to accommodate 100 million passengers.

A lot of airlines at NAIA may not want to move to Clark because of it's location outside Metro Manila, and would probably choose Bulacan instead. Bulacan, would not be in a position to soak up all the traffic in one go.

I don't think you've thought this through very well. NAIA will stay open for the next 20 years whilst a 3rd Airport at Sangley gets built to accommodate South Manila & South Luzon.

The Government will want to keep all options on the table. Two Airports in the North aren't sufficient enough and located well enough to serve the South side of Mega Manila & Southern Luzon.
Initial reports about it coming out in the media state that San Miguel intends to build 4 parallel runways and a terminal with a 100M capacity per anum. It can still accommodate 2 additional runways for a total of 6 and a maximum capacity of 200M. Once it's finished, the first terminal can handle the projected demand by then expanded from the 40plus million that NAIA is forced to deal with right now. So I don't think capacity would be an issue with this new airport with both the increase in passenger volume as well as the air traffic expected because of its sheer size, and its more efficient terminal and runway layout designs that are free of the major bottlenecks that NAIA is suffering from.

The terminal itself is designed to take in up to a maximum 100m travelers a year meaning you can expand terminal operations to match the increasing yearly volume up to that point before you will need to expand the terminal further and/or maybe even add new buildings later on. Of course you only spend inside that new mega terminal to match your demand but operations will have room to grow up to its designed maximum potential in the future. So there's still a comfortable buffer for growth. That's what I meant about how the capacity can be easily expanded to 100M initially, but the complex itself can even be double that in any future additional construction. It also doesn't make sense that it would take them longer to build additional capacity (a decade like you think) than to construct a new one from scratch with the reclamation works and all that jazz that they expect done in 6 years.

About airlines not wanting to transfer, they'll have no choice once the gov't decides to opt for NAIA redevelopment, which is another opportunity for the latter to earn much needed additional funds just like they did with the bases conversions. Gov't would just have to have the balls to implement the new scheme.

As for the Southern travelers, it should be understood that when transferring to a new airport location, then some compromises may pop up and would have to be made. It's the same problem that passengers coming from the north are experiencing right now entering the Metro where they would have to slog through its horrendous traffic gridlock just to reach Paranaque, or to land on NAIA and suffer the same ordeal returning to their homes. Hopefully, the skyways would already be up by then to serve traffic intending to bypass most of the NCR, and the connecting railway link to Clark and Bulacan as well. Sure it would be more inconvenient for the folks from the South but the overall benefits from the transfer would far outweigh any new sacrifices that would arise. That's why the Southern access should never be neglected so that everything would fall in their proper place in due time.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 07:02 AM   #1105
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FIRST ON CNN PHILIPPINES: San Miguel Corporation says international firms Groupe ADP, Meinhardt Group and Jacobs will help design and build the New Manila International Airport in Bulacan www.cnn.ph
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Old August 13th, 2019, 08:09 AM   #1106
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Old August 13th, 2019, 08:30 AM   #1108
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Groupe ADP is the same architectural group that designed NAIA Terminal 2, which means it will be an excellent partnership with Incheon International Airport Corporation for building the new Bulakan Airport.

And speaking of possible airlines serving Bulakan, we should also add Indigo from India in the list of probable airlines wanting to serve Manila. I have a feeling though that Indigo should go to Clark instead of Bulakan because it is a low-cost carrier, although I don't know if Air India will pursue flying to the Philippines. Maybe, if Air India is not interested yet in serving Manila directly, Indigo would be a fine substitute.
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How about developing a large Central Park to provide needed green space for Metro Manila, if not also develop underground rainwater storage and wastewater treatment facilities to address Mega Manila's water shortage? Perhaps it's time to address two critical issues in one go by developing a large park, complete with water treatment plants that look like concrete shelters to provide additional drinking water capacity for Metro Manila's growing population. And by the way, while we're at it, link Laguna de Bay with Manila Bay directly by using the wastewater treatment facility as a junction point to increase potable water availability in the region.
I have been advocating that NAIA be converted in something like NYC's Central Park with commercial areas around the perimeter.

You can build an underground facility under the park as a reservoir and/or water recycling facility.
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Well, yeah. SMC would have to convince foreign carriers to transfer to PAL's airport in Bulacan. If SMC gave them a handsome offer they cannot resist, then foreign carriers would grab it. I can see why PAL would give that offer because ultimately, foreign carriers would work with PAL to partner on all domestic transfer being full service carrier.

The only reason why NAIA will remain is if it is turned into a true LCC terminal. Clark would have to work aggressively to lure LCCs there... If you all have not noticed it yet, seems like the terminal at Clark being built now seems mostly catering to LCC. That would be a win win situation because if NAIA is closed, those who chose to use Clark for their domestic final destination using LCC, it will be faster to get to Clark from Bulacan. Clark would still be able to keep a handful full service carrier but that's the beauty of all these.. If that is not where this is all going. Then I can see NAIA being turned into LCC full blast. It doesn't mean that it will completely kill Clark though. Clark would still serve the population north of metro manila .
If SMC builds an airport which is the most efficient in the country, or at least, as efficient as the GMCAC-run MCIA, I guarantee Airlines will relocate immediately to Bulacan.

Why? Airlines is all about efficiency. They want to fly as often as they can. They don't want to get stuck on the ground for whatever reason apart from loading passengers and cargo.

If your plane is not on the air, it's not making money.
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If SMC builds an airport which is the most efficient in the country, or at least, as efficient as the GMCAC-run MCIA, I guarantee Airlines will relocate immediately to Bulacan.

Why? Airlines is all about efficiency. They want to fly as often as they can. They don't want to get stuck on the ground for whatever reason apart from loading passengers and cargo.

If your plane is not on the air, it's not making money.
That is why we need Bulakan sooner than later. We desperately need more economic and touristic activities in the Philippines, and NMIA should pave the way for more development throughout the country by making it as efficient as it can be. And by the way, NMIA will be a symbol of what the Philippines wants to be in the future: a high-growth economy, with an effective form of governance, recognizing the intersection of cultural tradition and cutting-edge innovation, and maintaining a friendly and hospitable atmosphere.

And once Bulakan opens, we need to start measuring how many flights an hour its runways can cope with. For example: with Narita Airport in Tokyo, its goal within 10 years is to accommodate nearly 100 flights an hour by:

- Constructing a third runway and expanding one of its existing runways
- Expanding operating times from 6am to 11pm today to 5am to 12:30am
- Giving airlines incentives to operate at certain times and open more routes

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Wow, big names. Note that at the end of the day, it is SMC who will be deciding, so let us wait and see. #BIWISIt.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 08:27 PM   #1113
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SMC taps 3 firms behind Changi to design, build P734-billion Bulacan airport

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San Miguel Corp. has announced it is tapping three global firms involved in designing and building Singapore’s Changi Airport, consistently named the world’s best, to help it bring the NMIA to reality.

DIVERSIFIED conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) has chosen three of the designers and builders of the world’s best airport to design and build the P734-billion New Manila International Airport (NMIA) in Bulacan.

Groupe ADPI, Meinhardt Group and Jacobs—three companies that worked to develop the Singapore Changi Airport—were tapped by the Filipino conglomerate to create the future-ready airport that may replace the aging Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia).

Initial designs were earlier shared with the media, baring plans of a “future ready” facility that “focuses” on the overall passenger experience, while employing sustainable technologies “consistent with the needs of the environment and the local communities of Bulacan and nearby provinces.”

Ramon S. Ang, the company’s president, noted that his group has yet to choose a “world class airport operator” that will help manage facility in the future.

“This is our biggest investment in a single project to date, one that will definitely impact the lives of millions of Filipinos and the country in general—all the more reason for us to push for greater sustainability and choose the best people to work with us,” he said.

Based on its terms, the diversified conglomerate will build an aerotropolis that will have a capacity of 100 million passengers per year. The airport, to be located in Bulacan, will have four runways, an 8-kilometer toll road linked to the North Luzon Expressway (Nlex), and all aviation-related facilities and equipment.

With a 50-year concession deal, the airport will serve as a replacement or a complementary gateway to the existing Naia.

Ang also gave assurances that those affected by the development will have “better homes in relocation sites with fishing power boats where they can easily reestablish their livelihood.”

“This project’s success is anchored on helping support the local fishing industry. We are in the process of identifying areas where together we can build a fishing community that will last for generations to come,” he said.

Ang added that his group’s vision is to turn Bulacan into the seafood capital of the Philippines, “where seafood is exported to other countries, and tourists come in droves to sample them—similar to what happened to Japan’s Tsukiji for so many years.”

When completed, the airport will accommodate an initial 20 million passengers per year, and will “fuel trillion of dollars in economic activity annually,” while creating 20 million direct and indirect jobs.

The NMIA is an unsolicited proposal from SMC, which first floated the idea in 2016. It won the contract to build, operate, and maintain the facility last month, when no one challenged the proposal.
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Old August 13th, 2019, 08:38 PM   #1114
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That would be way too far away from Metro Manila then. Does that mean, though, that the government might convert some of the current air force bases around Mega Manila for future commercial aviation though, especially Lipa?


Those new FA-50's can easily reach Batanes from Lumbia in less than an hour and Manila even lesser and deliver its package if need be. About those old air force bases, no idea..
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Old August 13th, 2019, 08:57 PM   #1115
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Wars are fought by Missiles: Chemicals - Neurotoxic & Pathological - Virulent Agents... Nowhere to hide... Pulverised into Pink Mist..

National Defense - Plenty of Foot Army, Decaying Navy Fleet and Insufficient Air Force...

Even the number of men joining the army have dwindled - high time to recruit the South Koreans & Taiwanese and ASEAN Countries to defend Philippines If Uncle Sam can’t fight for Us anymore...
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Laughable for some that Sangley & Bulacan are to serve the Bicol Region...

For those with short term memory loss - Up until recently NAIA was the only IA we have...

Where do you think the Cagayanons, Ilocanos, Pampanguenos, Bicolanos, Warays, Bisayas, People of Mindanao used to get their International Flight other than NAIA (exception was when Clark & Mactan Cebu were opened for international flights other than the usual Asia Pacific Regions)...
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Old August 13th, 2019, 09:17 PM   #1117
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Fast Forward 2030...

Laoag IA, Cagayan North IA, Clark IA, New Manila - Bulacan, Sangley, Bicol IA will be operating Internationally so people don’t need to go to the Capital City IA (formerly NAIA, Clark IA) for their international flights or connecting flights)...
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Ramon S. Ang, the company’s president, noted that his group has yet to choose a “world class airport operator” that will help manage facility in the future.

When completed, the airport will accommodate an initial 20 million passengers per year, and will “fuel trillion of dollars in economic activity annually,” while creating 20 million direct and indirect jobs.
What is Incheon's role then? To build the airport? So hindi pa pala Incheon ang partners nila sa pag operate ng airport? Changi is the partner of the operator that will run Clark.
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Laughable for some that Sangley & Bulacan are to serve the Bicol Region...

For those with short term memory loss - Up until recently NAIA was the only IA we have...

Where do you think the Cagayanons, Ilocanos, Pampanguenos, Bicolanos, Warays, Bisayas, People of Mindanao used to get their International Flight other than NAIA (exception was when Clark & Mactan Cebu were opened for international flights other than the usual Asia Pacific Regions)...
I understand that. And that came as a result of the government having to decide whether to fully participate in the ASEAN Single Aviation Market policy that liberalizes air travel throughout the region. At the time it was signed, the Philippines chose to open all airports except Manila for the open-skies policy. The reason was simple: Manila is severely overcrowded, while the other airports have lots of room for growth (although many of them have basic facilities than the likes of Clark, Manila, Cebu, and Davao). And for many years, Cebu and Davao held international flights to Singapore (with Silk Air) that allowed travelers from Visayas and Mindanao to bypass Manila. It was through that open-skies policy that allowed such secondary airports to rise and developed new routes between the Philippines and other nations, especially China and South Korea through our air pacts.

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Fast Forward 2030...

Laoag IA, Cagayan North IA, Clark IA, New Manila - Bulacan, Sangley, Bicol IA will be operating Internationally so people don’t need to go to the Capital City IA (formerly NAIA, Clark IA) for their international flights or connecting flights)...
Hopefully, foreign carriers will be lured to serve the secondary airports in Laoag, Cagayan, and Bicol to make them more accessible to tourists and businesses.
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Old August 14th, 2019, 12:03 AM   #1120
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What is Incheon's role then? To build the airport? So hindi pa pala Incheon ang partners nila sa pag operate ng airport? Changi is the partner of the operator that will run Clark.
Baka nadale sa NDA si RSA kaya umatras ang Incheon. Sa pagkakaalam ko bawal kang magdisclose muna ng kapartner hanggat walang bidding.

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