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View Poll Results: Should we build this high speed rail?
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Old June 5th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #401
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The problem is you will never get the middle class to leave their cars, no matter how good the rail / public transport system is; cars have become part of South African's souls.
Justmake sure every road becomes an e-toll road and limit building developers to build less parking spaces for the cars the middle class is driving - it worked in London!
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Old June 6th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #402
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heh, we can do that if you want a revolution on our hands!

In seriousness though, what may finally force people to public transport is the petrol price. I admit I am a pessimistic person when the issue of Public Transport comes up. When looking at our infrastructure needs, public transport just strikes me as the one element that will be the most difficult to implement; it is the most likely project to get the short end of the stick by the powers-that-be, not to mention the stranglehold the taxi industry holds over the sector.

In any case, I really hope Durbs gets their own version of the Gautrain sometime - it would be a great experience!

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Old June 6th, 2013, 04:19 AM   #403
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If we don't get middle class using rail as South Africa gets rich, JHB will end up like Moscow and I can assure you that we don't want this:

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Old June 6th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #404
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I think people need to give the middle classes more credit. they're already using the Gautrain in ever-increasing numbers, not so?

The problem is that due to SA's history mass transit has been stigmatised as the mode of transport for the poor masses. However I believe once people do the knowledge, it will be a no-brainer. If we had a transport system that is clean, efficient, and pervasive in the burbs, the middle-classes will use it, if they're rational.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 06:47 AM   #405
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Nobody seemed to have picked up the Mercury headline article yesterday. They were talking about the King Shaka to Durban monorail being almost a certainty with kickoff in 2017 and the DBN/JHB high speed link being a secondary imperative.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 08:34 AM   #406
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Oh yeah.

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Durban speed train on track
December 10 2014 at 02:46pm
By Colleen Dardagan

Talks in the city on Tuesday between China Railway International Group and the provincial government also included the long-awaited high-speed train between Durban and Joburg – first mooted in 2007 by former transport MEC Bheki Cele.

Officials said on Tuesday they expected the high-speed train project to also “materialise” by 2017.
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Desmond Golding, head of the Department of Economic Development and Tourism and Environmental Affairs, handed over the memorandum at the Dube Tradeport on Tuesday.

He said it was a culmination of “lengthy and comprehensive” discussions and co-operation between the the company and the provincial government.

He said the rail group was taking the document to China for perusal by its lawyers.
Read more: IOL

But hasn't this been said over and over before?
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Old December 11th, 2014, 08:46 AM   #407
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Thanks for spotting.

I would love to see more details, beyond what's revealed so far, but this sounds quite promising. New route? Quite intriguing!
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Old December 11th, 2014, 09:00 AM   #408
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It would surely be normal rail from the airport no? Monorail is so 80s.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 10:50 AM   #409
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A magnetic levitation (Maglev) train leaves the Pudong International Airport in Shanghai. A similar train is planned between Durban and the King Shaka International Airport.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afri...3#.VIk4r8U72zs
Apparently a maglev system is a type of monorail.
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Old December 11th, 2014, 10:54 AM   #410
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http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-afri...3#.VIk4r8U72zs

Apparently a maglev system is a type of monorail.
ha ha ha , I've been on the 400kph train from airport into Shanghai and its full full full of people hence it makes commercial sense with 47million pax per year. this is another PIE IN THE SKY schemes in Sa like cable cars up the drakensberg etc and hardly viable with 4mil pax
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Old June 20th, 2019, 11:04 PM   #411
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Seems like President Ramaphosa just revived this project in his vision for South Africa in his State of the Nation speech
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Old June 20th, 2019, 11:10 PM   #412
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http://https://www.news24.com/Column...peech-20190620

We should imagine a country where bullet trains pass through Johannesburg as they travel from here to Musina, and they stop in Buffalo City on their way from Ethekwini back here.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 03:25 AM   #413
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HSR is a waste of time until you fix the local public transport in each city connected on the network. What is the point of a fast train from Joburg to Durban when you arrive in Durban station to find out Metrorail is delayed for 2 hours or another train was burned down. Ultimately people will have to rent cars at their destination which significantly reduced the positive impact of HSR.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 03:35 AM   #414
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I sadly agree with that. We are a nation in crisis. We need to get the basics right before we do 'vanity projects.' Cities that function on higher and basic levels, with inclusive and sustainable economic growth will be the biggest miracle we could wish for in SA, not intercity HSR.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 12:07 PM   #415
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When he says Dream Big - he means : "lets get the Chinese in here with a more agreeable form of cultural imperialism "
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Old June 21st, 2019, 05:43 PM   #416
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Not a good idea!!! They often use port infrastructure as loan collateral. We could see Durban effectively belonging to a foreigner power if SA defaults.
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