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Old June 15th, 2019, 09:07 PM   #421
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^ Holmeside is a dive, I walked up there yesterday lunch time with a colleague and was disgusted by the filth, closed shops, drunken people and bus stops so crowded you couldn't pass because the pavements aren't wide enough for it all.
The pavement slabs are uneven and sodden with water, so if you step on one, you end up with a soaking feet and legs :-o.

I don't think anyone would miss it if you pulled the hole lot down including blanford street. The question is, what do you put there?

My only thoughts, if enough land is cleared, is allow the College to expand into areas cleared, or to be cleared.
OR build a leisure center there as per a recent Echo article. Especially if there are entrances to Holmeside and Parkline to access Bus and Rail links etc (although there is a metro stop at Parklane too.
Oh another option would be to build the new Civic Centre on there instead of prime land Vaux?

Interestingly, the Blanford Street and Holmeside is around the same footprint size as the Crowtree was, although I wouldn't want them to build exactly the same as the crowtree was, but more appropriate for our time.

I'd have car parking above the top park of Crowtree/Maritime Terrace that would join the Bridges car park and the Rooftop car parks together. This could even server as parking for an upgraded station depending on what they do with that.

You'd think the planners would be in overdrive with the amount of Canvas we potentially have. They problem is that they usually don't have joined up thinking, and end up fragmenting different sectors all over so nothing flows together as it could.
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Old June 15th, 2019, 11:58 PM   #422
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Why don't they build a leisure facility on the site of the current civic centre with flats above, it would make sense with plenty of space, it's near a metro and bus station, it's still in the city centre, and if they also build flats above everyone wins.
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Old June 17th, 2019, 09:47 AM   #423
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Why don't they build a leisure facility on the site of the current civic centre with flats above, it would make sense with plenty of space, it's near a metro and bus station, it's still in the city centre, and if they also build flats above everyone wins.


Not a bad shout eaim,----Think we need a new Leisure Centre,----and lets hope they will build a new Centre within the City Centre.
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Old June 18th, 2019, 01:22 AM   #424
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Not a bad shout eaim,----Think we need a new Leisure Centre,----and lets hope they will build a new Centre within the City Centre.
Maybe on the site of the present Civic Centre?
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Old June 18th, 2019, 07:17 PM   #425
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Looks like the vacant land bottom of Holmeside will be a car park after all.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/...ernment-177738

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"The car park would be built on vacant land at the bottom of Holmeside and, depending on the level of funds allocated, could take the form of a surface car park, or a 160-space multi-storey with retail at ground level."
Still does not solve the issue of access to the railway station via a back lane mind. It will be a surface car park - talking about Sunderland here.
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Old June 19th, 2019, 05:27 PM   #426
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Looks like the vacant land bottom of Holmeside will be a car park after all.

Still does not solve the issue of access to the railway station via a back lane mind.
Not sure why people would choose to walk up a back lane rather than Waterloo Place, also if it was a multi storey it would mean more car park spaces meaning more revenue generated
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Old June 19th, 2019, 07:36 PM   #427
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Not sure why people would choose to walk up a back lane rather than Waterloo Place, also if it was a multi storey it would mean more car park spaces meaning more revenue generated
All vehicle would still access via what is effectively a back lane and any pedestrians from the museum side would likely use the back of Wilkinsons - yes / no ? As many on here have said, the station would not be too bad as metro stop but as a proper central railway station for a large city it is in the wrong location and gives a terrible first impression.

A multi storey car park would cost more and the naysayers will beat on about how Sunderland does not need it, nobody use the shops any more, the ciivic centre car will be standing empty, etc, etc, moan, moan, moan - a surface car park will do. Totally agree would generate more revenue and would love to see that whole area cleared with something decent on it for a change.
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All vehicle would still access via what is effectively a back lane and any pedestrians from the museum side would likely use the back of Wilkinsons - yes / no ? As many on here have said, the station would not be too bad as metro stop but as a proper central railway station for a large city it is in the wrong location and gives a terrible first impression.

A multi storey car park would cost more and the naysayers will beat on about how Sunderland does not need it, nobody use the shops any more, the ciivic centre car will be standing empty, etc, etc, moan, moan, moan - a surface car park will do. Totally agree would generate more revenue and would love to see that whole area cleared with something decent on it for a change.
The multi storey car park will only have 160 spaces so I'd imagine a street level car park to be very small (remember eventually we'll be losing the civic centre car park in the longer term), St Mary's has 470, plus if it's a multi storey surely it will be easier to make it a secure car park with 24/7 security, after all if people use this car park for rail reasons, I think they'll want their car to still be there when they come back be that short term or long term.
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Old June 23rd, 2019, 02:28 AM   #429
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All vehicle would still access via what is effectively a back lane and any pedestrians from the museum side would likely use the back of Wilkinsons - yes / no ?
All vehicle would still access via what is effectively a back lane - yes
Pedestrians from the museum side would likely use the back of Wilkinsons - yes and no - I agree that vehicle access isnt ideal but as for pedestrians they do have two streets to walk up rather than a back lane.

The main thing is getting the train station building sorted so that people who do drive or walk up the back lane have a better impression than currently.
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Old June 23rd, 2019, 05:28 PM   #430
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All those beautiful buildings that were destroyed and this street remains intact. I hate it.
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Old June 24th, 2019, 09:39 AM   #431
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All those beautiful buildings that were destroyed and this street remains intact. I hate it.


I understand what you mean mate,-- it's vexing when you think of many grand buildings that have been lost in Sunderland,-----and then look at the poor state of Holmeside,-----we just have to hope that this area will be regenerated, --- sooner rather than later,---cheers.
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Old June 25th, 2019, 03:39 PM   #432
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A leisure centre in the city centre is what Sunderland needs and a new train station but for some reason someone somewhere doesn't want the people of Wearside to have a nice modern train station. The train station turns people off from Sunderland
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Old June 26th, 2019, 09:56 AM   #433
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A leisure centre in the city centre is what Sunderland needs and a new train station but for some reason someone somewhere doesn't want the people of Wearside to have a nice modern train station. The train station turns people off from Sunderland

From what I have read,--the Council are working on a Leisure facility for the City, -----as for the Rail Station, it would be great if they could build a new Station,--but doubt if this will happen due to the cost,---so think they will be working on redeveloping the existing Station,--- providing they get the Gov funding,---cheers.
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