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Old September 10th, 2019, 02:30 PM   #3441
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It's about time buses were given a northbound bus lane on the Tyne Bridge. Hopefully they'll finally get some priority so they can actually turn on to the Tyne bridge as well.
seriously? Having one lane empty 90% of the time and traffic backed up to heworth because there is only 1 remaining lane for everyone to use.

That's before you mention the height restriction on the left lane which I believe means double deckers cant use it anyway
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Old September 10th, 2019, 02:42 PM   #3442
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It's about time buses were given a northbound bus lane on the Tyne Bridge. Hopefully they'll finally get some priority so they can actually turn on to the Tyne bridge as well.
seriously? Having one lane empty 90% of the time and traffic backed up to heworth because there is only 1 remaining lane for everyone to use.

That's before you mention the height restriction on the left lane which I believe means double deckers cant use it anyway [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/bash.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/bash.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/bash.gif[/IMG]
With over 60 buses per hour going north across the Tyne Bridge......that might be slight exaggeration 😊
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With over 60 buses per hour going north across the Tyne Bridge......that might be slight exaggeration 😊
fair enough I don't know how many buses go over the bridge per hour. However if there are 60 buses per hour, and I am not convinced it's that many, it is a 0.4mile stretch from the junction they join until the slip road off for the roundabout, at 30mph that should take 48 seconds to complete. That means there is less than 1 bus using that lane per minute.

If they thought pollution on the central motorway was bad before just wait and see how long the tailbacks of stationary traffic this would create.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 04:15 PM   #3444
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With over 60 buses per hour going north across the Tyne Bridge......that might be slight exaggeration 😊
fair enough I don't know how many buses go over the bridge per hour. However if there are 60 buses per hour, and I am not convinced it's that many, it is a 0.4mile stretch from the junction they join until the slip road off for the roundabout, at 30mph that should take 48 seconds to complete. That means there is less than 1 bus using that lane per minute.

If they thought pollution on the central motorway was bad before just wait and see how long the tailbacks of stationary traffic this would create.
There's approx 62 per hour crossing northbound. However I dont think a permanent bus lane is the answer.

Apart from the spaghetti road network to the north and south, a smart road traffic management system in place would be able to reduce the congestion.
By analysing the flow of traffic both ways, it would be able to assign the number of lanes required to operate both north and south. For example, on a morning have 3 lanes northbound - 1 for buses/cycles until the slip and one southbound. Then 2 lanes each way during the day.
On an evening open up 3 lanes southbound with no bus lane as majority of buses use high level
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Old September 10th, 2019, 04:54 PM   #3445
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There's approx 62 per hour crossing northbound. However I dont think a permanent bus lane is the answer.

Apart from the spaghetti road network to the north and south, a smart road traffic management system in place would be able to reduce the congestion.
By analysing the flow of traffic both ways, it would be able to assign the number of lanes required to operate both north and south. For example, on a morning have 3 lanes northbound - 1 for buses/cycles until the slip and one southbound. Then 2 lanes each way during the day.
On an evening open up 3 lanes southbound with no bus lane as majority of buses use high level
That sounds all too sensible. The main problem in that area is the dumb traffic lights on the south side and the lights not far off the turn offs on the north side making queuing traffic back up onto the motorway, which in turn causes more tailbacks. If we could use smarter ways of keep traffic flowing then everyone would be a winner.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 06:11 PM   #3446
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There's approx 62 per hour crossing northbound. However I dont think a permanent bus lane is the answer.

Apart from the spaghetti road network to the north and south, a smart road traffic management system in place would be able to reduce the congestion.
By analysing the flow of traffic both ways, it would be able to assign the number of lanes required to operate both north and south. For example, on a morning have 3 lanes northbound - 1 for buses/cycles until the slip and one southbound. Then 2 lanes each way during the day.
On an evening open up 3 lanes southbound with no bus lane as majority of buses use high level
That sounds all too sensible. The main problem in that area is the dumb traffic lights on the south side and the lights not far off the turn offs on the north side making queuing traffic back up onto the motorway, which in turn causes more tailbacks. If we could use smarter ways of keep traffic flowing then everyone would be a winner.
Agreed. Gateshead traffic lights have always been bad. Why cant they have smart lights that stay green until traffic is approaching adjacent junction. Ones beside gateshead bus station are particularly bad for that and are on a set sequence. One thing I dont understand is why they dont have a filter lane for buses turning left into the interchange coming in from newcastle. All it does is block the exit from wilko car park
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Old September 11th, 2019, 10:31 AM   #3447
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Everything from West Street in front of the Old Town Hall up to the big roundabout just past the interchange needs rationalising. The Wilko car park entrance would probably not get planning today, for the reason you state and also it's quite a steep entrance. Also the mess outside the Old Dispensary from Tesco, the buses coming up West Street from the Bridges and all crossing each other is horrendous.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 11:20 AM   #3448
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This will cause chaos, it is already busy enough without halving the capacity, no doubt the first thing they will do is install number plate recogintion cameras in the bus lanes to catch all the cars using them. A good compromise would be to work on the traffic light system to allow more time for busses to filter in from the road by the central pub without having to wait too long, but thinking like that is obviously beyond Gateshead Council. People will simply not transfer to public transport unless it is cheaper and more convenient than their car, which at the moment it is not.
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This will cause chaos, it is already busy enough without halving the capacity, no doubt the first thing they will do is install number plate recogintion cameras in the bus lanes to catch all the cars using them. A good compromise would be to work on the traffic light system to allow more time for busses to filter in from the road by the central pub without having to wait too long, but thinking like that is obviously beyond Gateshead Council. People will simply not transfer to public transport unless it is cheaper and more convenient than their car, which at the moment it is not.
The prices are reasonable if making a full journey by bus. However a park and ride system with an integrated parking/ bus/metro charge would greatly enhance the use of public transport into city centres. It works extremely well in York and durham
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Old September 11th, 2019, 02:52 PM   #3450
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The prices are reasonable if making a full journey by bus. However a park and ride system with an integrated parking/ bus/metro charge would greatly enhance the use of public transport into city centres. It works extremely well in York and durham
This sort of joined up thinking took a big hit when Gateshead and pals decided they didn't want to be part of the devolution. More interested in competing than working together, it seems. Pigs might fly...
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Old September 12th, 2019, 08:14 AM   #3451
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This will cause chaos, it is already busy enough without halving the capacity, no doubt the first thing they will do is install number plate recogintion cameras in the bus lanes to catch all the cars using them. A good compromise would be to work on the traffic light system to allow more time for busses to filter in from the road by the central pub without having to wait too long, but thinking like that is obviously beyond Gateshead Council. People will simply not transfer to public transport unless it is cheaper and more convenient than their car, which at the moment it is not.
These are the same geniuses who timed the lights out of sync in order to increase congestion and try to force people out of their cars.

All stick and no carrot.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 12:10 PM   #3452
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The prices are reasonable if making a full journey by bus. However a park and ride system with an integrated parking/ bus/metro charge would greatly enhance the use of public transport into city centres. It works extremely well in York and durham

Heworth long stay car park has loads of space around it to expand it out, you are then on the short route metro which are empty at that point or dedicated buses could be put on.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 12:39 PM   #3453
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Heworth long stay car park has loads of space around it to expand it out, you are then on the short route metro which are empty at that point or dedicated buses could be put on.
Yeah I thought that with the Rail, Metro and Bus; just put a 2-3 level multi-storey on the carpark.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 11:40 PM   #3454
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Itís amazing that we have the Metro infrastructure for a park & ride system, yet donít create the car parks for it. However other cities donít have the Metro infrastructure for a park and ride system and build the car parks and use busses, York and Doncaster come to my immediate mind.

There is land available next to Howdon metro station available which would work well for A19 South Park and ride.
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Newcastle City Council - Killingworth Road and Salters Bridge Update, October 13th 2019

The letter below is being delivered to households in the vicinity of Salters Bridge in the next few days.

Dear Sir / Madam,

Salters Bridge will re-open to motor vehicles on Sunday 13th October 2019 and we write to let you know that the City Council will be removing the concrete barriers from Salters Bridge in the afternoon of Sunday 13th October. We have been clear that any future permanent restrictions would require consultation and we will write to you again if such changes are proposed in the future.

Our recent work in the area has focused on the maintenance elements at Haddricks Mill, including waterproofing the bridge that the double roundabout junction forms part of. We have been doing this while BT have been completing the diversion of their utilities that run under Killingworth Road.

BT are soon to complete this and from next Monday 7th October, we will be excavating the old footway, (which is now in the fenced off area in the middle of Killingworth Road), removing old utilities and rebuilding it as carriageway. This will require temporary two-way traffic signals over short stretches to manage traffic through Killingworth Road. The work is expected to take up to 10 weeks to complete.

It is clear that the Killingworth Road scheme has been subject to significant delays, principally due to major issues encountered by Northern Gas Networks while moving their gas mains. May we take the opportunity to again apologise for any inconvenience this has caused and assure you we will make every effort to ensure this period of work is completed as quickly as possible.

More information about the temporary traffic management in the area can be found on the Council’s web site – www.newcastle.gov.uk/killingworth.

If you have any questions, please contact the transport team on 0191 277 7681 or email [email protected]
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Barras Bridge and Haymarket, Newcastle, road improvements - pictures 05/10/19 Part 1 of 2

Last covered with last pictures on post #3440 on 10/09/19

Pictures by myself on Saturday 05/10/19 in period approx 1000 - 1015 showing views of ongoing work on the above roadworks being carried out at Barras Bridge and the Haymarket, Newcastle - set for completion November 2019





















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Barras Bridge and Haymarket, Newcastle, road improvements - pictures 05/10/19 Part 2 of 2

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Itís amazing that we have the Metro infrastructure for a park & ride system, yet donít create the car parks for it. However other cities donít have the Metro infrastructure for a park and ride system and build the car parks and use busses, York and Doncaster come to my immediate mind.

There is land available next to Howdon metro station available which would work well for A19 South Park and ride.
When the Metro was being built, car ownership levels were lower than now and the idea was to try and integrate the Metro with local buses. Also Tyneside was a in a period of economic decline when the Metro was being built and the new estates, where most adults drive, on the fringes of Tyneside were a couple of decades away.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 09:12 PM   #3459
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Must admit I was very skeptical of the 'One lane in, one lane out' proposals, but when I've used this road of late, at different times of different days, it's been a breeze. Has only taken 30 years to re-align the junction (from it's former Northumberland Street route) and for both car and bus drivers, is all the better for it!
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Apologies if it's already been posted but a consultation on the final clean air/CAZ plans is now available on the https://www.breathe-cleanair.com/ website.

The actual survey link is https://www.snapsurveys.com/wh/s.asp?k=157079267072.
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