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Old September 10th, 2019, 08:31 PM   #8701
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M2 expressway - 20 days left to open


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Old September 12th, 2019, 07:13 PM   #8702
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M76 expressway - [M7-Zalaegerszeg] section


Here is the final path, that got the enviromental permit in this June.

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Old September 13th, 2019, 09:38 AM   #8703
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They deleted the tunnel under Sármellék. This was the closest version to the Balaton Airport.

Also, Misefa tunnel is missing too.

M76 will follow the Main Road 76 to Körmend and ends here at the intersection M8(0) (Szentgotthárd) x (M)86 (Szombathely).
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Old September 15th, 2019, 07:50 PM   #8704
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Old September 17th, 2019, 12:04 AM   #8705
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Question about M70: Is the traffic now transfered to new carriage-way all the way from border to M7?
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Old September 17th, 2019, 02:36 PM   #8706
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Planned Hungarian motorways in 1941 (Zoomable):

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Old September 17th, 2019, 03:42 PM   #8707
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Planned Hungarian motorways in 1941 (Zoomable):

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If that was built, present-day Romania would have at lot more motorways than they do have now...
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Old September 17th, 2019, 09:08 PM   #8708
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Sorry, but those are just some lines drawn on an old Hungarian map. It can't be a serious proposal, as many major cities are completely avoided by the motorway (just have a look at it: many motorways going in the most rural areas possible, while relatively important cities like Szekesfehervar, Pecs, Koloszvar (Cluj-Napoca) or Marosvasarhely (Targu Mures) are completely avoided). On the other side Satu Mare has motorways going in 5 directions, same as Budapest, although we are talking about 100k vs 1.7M population difference.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 02:47 AM   #8709
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Sorry, but those are just some lines drawn on an old Hungarian map. It can't be a serious proposal, as many major cities are completely avoided by the motorway (just have a look at it: many motorways going in the most rural areas possible, while relatively important cities like Szekesfehervar, Pecs, Koloszvar (Cluj-Napoca) or Marosvasarhely (Targu Mures) are completely avoided). On the other side Satu Mare has motorways going in 5 directions, same as Budapest, although we are talking about 100k vs 1.7M population difference.
This map is based on work of Dr. Boldizsár Vásárhelyi (engineer). In 1941 the plans were not so detailed, but the directions identified the major veins of motorways to today Hungary.
It looks like the cities size was not a first-priority , their location and possible junctions to other lines in their actual traffic distribution were more important (sorry if it was not so understandable). They probably didn't know how much space required later when cities started growing and how good idea to build them tight to settlements. So it was not city-dependent, more likely regional with divided distances to reach it from everywhere and lead the traffic.
You can see, all the bigger cities were a bit farther from the motorways on this old map than nowadays.
Cities' size 100 years ago

You count todays' population. 100 years ago the cities of Transylvania was little, even Szeged, Debrecen, Miskolc (all of them 150.000+) were bigger. Kolozsvár counted to 110.000, Szatmárnémeti 52.000, Marosvásárhely 45.000. (Arad 1941: 86.000 and Temesvár 1941: 125.000). Others were below 100.000.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 05:14 AM   #8710
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Motorway network 2020-2022



thick blue: motorways
thin blue: expressways (2x1 and 2x2)
green: 2x2 main roads
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Old September 18th, 2019, 08:20 AM   #8711
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Which expressways are expected to remain 2x1?
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M9, M19, M80 and road 61.

Not too many fortunately.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 09:42 AM   #8713
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Okay, these are just some short spurs from the major roads.
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Grand opening on Oct 2.
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What about the section of M44 from Kecskemet/M5 towards Tisza river and the soon to be opened part?
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Old September 18th, 2019, 12:56 PM   #8715
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What about the section of M44 from Kecskemet/M5 towards Tisza river and the soon to be opened part?
By the original plan, the M44 would be farther from Kecskemét and go directly to Nagykőrös (M8).
We think that M44 should be closer. Lakitelek-Tiszakürt section accepted and will be completed in 2021, so only a little line missing. But it is a good question what will be the final plan to the rest and where to connect M44: M5 or M8 and how.

M8 planned in parallel with M44.

*: M8 at Dunaújváros is a Motorway, not Expressway.



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Alright, thanks for the clarification. Indeed it makes most sense for M44 to go closer to Kecsmeket from its northern side. And why not the motorway from Miskolc via Szolnok (I don't know the numbers) to reach Kecsmeket/M5 on the other (southern) side of the city, heading towards Szeged. In this way Kecsmeket will be surrounded from all sides with motorways.

I am sure Hungary will gain a lot from the transit traffic if the country builds the complete motorway ring: Szeged-Szekszard-Nagykanizsa-Szombathely-Sopron-Budapest-Debrecen-Bekescsaba-Szeged. This ring will also have a big impact locally for the Hungarians. Actually the northern part is already done.

One more question, does Hungary plan to build a bridge over Balaton lake? On the narrowest possible place where the peninsula is located.
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One more question, does Hungary plan to build a bridge over Balaton lake? On the narrowest possible place where the peninsula is located.
No. There is no reason to build anything there. But if something ever gets built there (which I highly doubt), it will be a tunnel hopefully.
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Alright, thanks for the clarification. Indeed it makes most sense for M44 to go closer to Kecsmeket from its northern side. And why not the motorway from Miskolc via Szolnok (I don't know the numbers) to reach Kecsmeket/M5 on the other (southern) side of the city, heading towards Szeged. In this way Kecsmeket will be surrounded from all sides with motorways.

I am sure Hungary will gain a lot from the transit traffic if the country builds the complete motorway ring: Szeged-Szekszard-Nagykanizsa-Szombathely-Sopron-Budapest-Debrecen-Bekescsaba-Szeged. This ring will also have a big impact locally for the Hungarians. Actually the northern part is already done.

One more question, does Hungary plan to build a bridge over Balaton lake? On the narrowest possible place where the peninsula is located.
M9 north-south axis, from Sopron to Nagykanizsa got a second priority. It is replaced by the western half-ring.
The difference is just in the name, and works with already existed lines. So they build the expressway near the existing main road along the main settlements, instead of building a completely different line between them.
The startpoint is at Győr, on the M1xM85 junction.
It goes on M85 until Csorna, then heading southwest to Szombathely on M86. Now it finishes, but they will continue it to Körmend as a 2x2 Main Road, because it doesn't have toll free alternative.
In Körmend we have 3 Expressways in one junction: 86 from north, M80 from west, and M76 to southeast. The western half-ring continue on M76. Going through Zalaegerszeg*, at Sármellék Airport and Keszthely, near the Balaton, and ends in M7 at Hollád junction.

*: Körmend - Zalaegerszeg section is in planned phase, clear variants aren't published yet.


M9 east-west axis: The line between Szeged (M43xM5) and Kaposvár is clear.

(Edit Info: I'm not counted the 67 Main Road, so the western ring can be reached through it from Kaposvár, so actually yes, it would go to Nagykanizsa (M7).) Sorry I've did a mistake.

East ring: The M47 between Berettyóújfalu (M35xM4) - Békéscsaba - Szeged (M43) planned too. Variants available.
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Old September 18th, 2019, 06:46 PM   #8719
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Sorry, but those are just some lines drawn on an old Hungarian map.
Why not? That's how it was that time! Just for comparsion, the official German motorway plan from 1936:


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Looks like just some lines drawn on old German maps
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The Vásárhelyi Boldizsár plan on his original old map:


The M0 plan (from Vásárhelyi Boldizsár) on an original old map:


The only established section of the plan was the Ferihegy Airport Highway of Budapest:
average section:


overpass:


underpass:


The road network of Hungary in 1944 on an original old map (paved in Hungary, mostly macadam and some of them dirt road in Transsylvania):


We had 16 219 km paved road inside the present borders in 1919 and 26 861 km in 1938. So we made 10 642 km paved road in a 19 years period (560km/year).

A typical new road from these years:
road No7:


road No8:


road No3:


road No11:


Our great problem after 1939/40 was the network quality in Transsylvania and Subcarpathia. Even the main road to Kolozsvár was this:




And the local road (4500 km from the 10 642 km new Hungarian road was local road in the present Hungary, but the Romanians did not build since 1919:



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