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Old November 23rd, 2004, 01:05 AM   #1
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A MIGHTIER PENN

By CLEMENTE LISI

November 22, 2004 -- Welcome to the new Penn Station.

The transformation of the Farley Post Office into a modern transit hub is back on track with construction expected to start next summer in an effort to extend and enlarge Penn Station by 2009, officials said.

The rail complex will be renamed the Moynihan Station in honor of late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and will primarily house Long Island Rail Road and New Jersey Transit trains.


The project got a shot in the arm last week when the Port Authority approved $10 million in funds for the state to use toward the construction of an extension between platforms located at Penn Station's West End concourse to the new hub.

The $900 million project was launched in 1999, but several financial and logistical problems stalled the plan, including Amtrak's backing out of helping pay for the station, the 9/11 attacks and the anthrax postal crisis.

Most of the funding earmarked for the construction of the new complex has been in place since 2001.

Moynihan Station, which would relieve crowding and make it easier for commuters to board trains, will feature a mix of modern architecture and classic beaux-arts design.

Plans show the new station will feature a sky-lit concourse area, spacious ticket hall, underground connection to the current station and an estimated 800,000 square feet of potential retail space.

The face-lift would mean redesigning the building — which stretches from 31st and 33rd streets along Eighth and Ninth avenues — to look more like the original Penn Station that was torn down in 1966.

Over 500,000 daily riders currently stream through Penn Station and are forced to make their way through crowded and dimly lit tunnels underneath Madison Square Garden to get to trains.

The Empire State Development Corp., the state agency spearheading the project, said developers Boston Properties, Jones Lang LaSalle together with Tishman Speyer, The Related Companies, and Vornado Realty Trust have bid on the project.

"Each firm has put forth initial ideas for development of the space and the project, and now we will give them an opportunity to develop their proposals more fully," said ESDC Chairman Charles Gargano.

The ESDC said a developer will be chosen in January, and construction expected to start next summer.

"By making key investments in our rail infrastructure now, we will be ready for the future," Gargano said.
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 02:17 AM   #2
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i saw this on NY1 yestereve. they had some renderings and it looked pretty ok
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Old November 23rd, 2004, 03:14 AM   #3
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Visuals:


Picture of a model of the new station/post office, with the station on the left.


Night rendition of the same.


The proposed concourse.


The new ticket window/information area. The glass portion will rise 150 feet above the ticket windows to match the height, but not appearance, of the original waiting room.


What the train boarding area will look like.
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I like the connecting atrium. It needs some plant life in there though.
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Old December 15th, 2004, 04:55 AM   #5
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that's definitely good news. it'll bring back the glory to penn station. still, moynihan doesn't sound right at all. just call it penn station dood...
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Old December 15th, 2004, 12:12 PM   #6
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It's build in ART DECO style? I like that!
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Old December 15th, 2004, 11:22 PM   #7
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is this definitely gonna be built? or is it not approved yet?
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Old December 16th, 2004, 12:29 AM   #8
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My bet is that it will be constructed, in one form or another.
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Old January 3rd, 2005, 05:46 AM   #9
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I don't like the idea of building something to resemble the structure that it's replacing (i.e. the "old Penn Station")

The Old Penn Station was a masterpiece and a monument that is now long gone, and attempts to create something that will "kinda" look like it don't sound like a good idea. I think they should go with a completely modern-forward-thinking design.

The past is the past--preserve what you can. But anything new should be just that--new.

Chicago could do a better job learning that lesson
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Old January 3rd, 2005, 05:37 PM   #10
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But the thing is a structure already exists. Given the location of the railyards and the current platforms, to do something according to your proposal, they would either have to tear down the current Farley Building or tear down Madison Square Garden, under which the current Penn Station lies. Given this situation, turning the Farley Post Office Building into a train station is forward looking and at the same time preserves a historical structure.
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Old February 26th, 2005, 02:06 AM   #11
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3 Designs Submitted for Midtown Train Station


One design for a new station in the Farley post office on Eighth Avenue - by a partnership of the Related Companies and Vornado Realty Trust - uses a glass and steel canopy that will encompass the entry lobby.

By SEWELL CHAN
Published: February 25, 2005

New York State officials announced yesterday that they would choose from among three developers to transform the city's central post office into a new Midtown train station serving commuters on New Jersey Transit and possibly the Long Island Rail Road.

The selection of one of the three design proposals submitted Friday is expected to take place by June and would mark an important step forward for the plans to create a new train station in memory of Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who championed the effort before his death in 2003.


The project, across Eighth Avenue from Pennsylvania Station, has proceeded in fits and starts for the last decade, but officials now hope to begin construction by the end of this year and complete the station by 2010.

"The quality and scope of the various proposals put forth for Moynihan Station show the importance of this project as a gateway to New York City," said Charles A. Gargano, the chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation.

The design proposals all incorporate what has playfully become known as the potato chip - a shapely glass and steel canopy that will encompass the new station's entry lobby. That canopy, designed by David M. Childs of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, would envelop a series of concourses that slip under the post office building, letting light flow onto the train platforms below ground.

The three proposals also include a well-lit atrium and a passageway along 32nd Street linking Eighth and Ninth Avenues.


The agency has secured $600 million in public funds to build the 400,000-square-foot train station. In addition, the site will include 250,000 square feet for the Postal Service and 750,000 square feet for retail, office or residential use.

The developers are Boston Properties, Tishman Speyer and a partnership of the Related Companies and Vornado Realty Trust.

Whoever who wins the competition will also acquire the rights to privately develop and control the 750,000 square feet under a long-term lease. Mr. Gargano would not specify the features of each proposal, but he said they included a warehouse-type store, a boutique or business hotel, a museum, public space for exhibits and live performances, a rooftop banquet hall and space for retail stores.

The project effectively dates to 1963, when the former Pennsylvania Station, a Beaux-Arts masterpiece designed by McKim, Mead & White, was demolished over protests by preservationists and architects. The current Madison Square Garden was built on the site over a labyrinthine terminal for Amtrak, the two commuter railroads and two sets of subway lines.

In 1998, officials announced they would lease 400,000 square feet of space in the James A. Farley Post Office Building, built in 1914, for a new station. But in 2002, the agency agreed to buy the entire site, on Eighth Avenue between 31st and 33rd Streets, for $230 million.

The current Penn Station serves 550,000 passengers a day. "It is horrible right now," Mr. Gargano said. "It is congested, not roomy, not pleasant to look at. It's like walking through a cave."
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Old February 28th, 2005, 02:18 AM   #12
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That is strange. I had always thought they had the design finalized. I hope they do something good with this oppurtunity.
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Old February 28th, 2005, 04:26 AM   #13
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I love it! Hope it's built.
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Old February 28th, 2005, 05:51 AM   #14
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This in combination with THE Tunnel will make travel to NYC much improved!
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That is strange. I had always thought they had the design finalized. I hope they do something good with this oppurtunity.
thats what i thought. i thought it was all done
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Old March 1st, 2005, 05:30 PM   #16
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This in combination with THE Tunnel will make travel to NYC much improved!
Well is THE tunnel approved? Did NJTransit get the funding?
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Old March 9th, 2005, 12:34 AM   #17
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NEWSDAY

From Farley to Moynihan

BY JOSHUA ROBIN
March 7, 2005

Forty years after a wrecking ball razed one of the city's icons, the old Pennsylvania Station, a new transit hub that many say resurrects the lost grandeur is slowly rising from the proverbial dust.

State officials are reviewing three proposed renovations for the Farley Post Office, the beaux arts building across from Madison Square Garden that will supplement the subterranean station now under the arena.

The winner is to be announced within three months, with the terminal opening in 2010, said Charles Gargano, chairman of the Empire State Development Corporation.

"It's going to happen," Gargano said of the $600 million project to be paid for with a combination of state, city, federal and Port Authority funds.

The new station, to be named after its longtime champion, the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, would double the size of the current Penn Station -- the nation's busiest station, with 550,000 daily passengers. It would also give commuters a glimpse of the sky -- like the old station -- before boarding, unlike now when passengers are shrouded in artificial light.

Maura Moynihan, the senator's daughter, called the new station a "masterpiece," with the current terminal "that hole under a basketball court."

There are no planned changes to where Amtrak, Long Island Rail Road and New Jersey Transit trains will stop.

Customers instead will have more room inside the station, and more entrances, stretching from Seventh to Ninth Avenues. Plans to house Amtrak in the complex were dropped, but the state is in talks with the LIRR and NJ Transit.

The proposals keep the original design to bisect the post office with a puffed-out, glass dome that developers have taken to calling "the chip," for its resemblance to the snack. Also untouched is a plan to keep 400,000 square feet for the station and 250,000 square feet for a remaining post office. They differ in what they plan to do with 750,000 square feet; suggestions vary from a hotel, a large retailer, a museum and a banquet hall.

A decision hasn't yet been reached whether to build on top of the terminal, Gargano said.


What won't change is the Farley's signature colonnade, built by the same architects the old Pennsylvania Station: McKim, Mead and White.

"'Only in New York could you tear down a beaux-arts masterpiece only to find another one by the same architects across the street,'" Moynihan said, quoting her father.














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Old March 9th, 2005, 01:34 AM   #18
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I hope this turns out well. You guys know my contempt for this project as of now. We could really make something magnificent with this oppurtunity, and I just don't want to throw some glass up in the air and call it a day. What a horrendous waiste.


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Pictures of the proposals, thanks to Derek2k3 and Stern:



This one's tower looks like Goldman Sachs in Jersey, doesn't it?





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i like the first proposal the best
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