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Old March 19th, 2015, 02:46 PM   #101
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Seems crazy. By investing in demolishing a building they are making a big commitment to do something with a site that has been an eyesore for years. By delaying further they're just opening the window of opportunity for other developments to happen first, dilute the potential market and reduce the need, and hence maybe scare off the speculative build. Just get it down. Put a nice open space there while arguing the design if necessary but why delay! Argh!
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Old March 19th, 2015, 02:58 PM   #102
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I disagree. demolition is a cost, and by investing in the demolition and clearing such a prime site, you have probably increased the value of the site for another developer. consequently once having cleared the site, whats stopping the developer from cashing in, selling the site and then the city is left with a huge hole in the middle of colmore row for years.

granted submitting an application wouldnt guarantee the developers will build the application but an application would be more investment/cost by the applicant and thus increase the chances of developing the site out.

I like the proposed tower, and im not against the demolition of the building, but in a conservation area, I support the committee, the two should be linked!
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Old March 19th, 2015, 03:15 PM   #103
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Very bold move, your move now! Get the app in!
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Old March 19th, 2015, 04:54 PM   #104
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Maybe, but at least demolition would get us a step closer to a replacement, as nobody would buy an expensive empty site with the intention of leaving it clear! We'll get there eventually but it would just be nice to see something actually happen on site.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #105
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I'm not surprised, the developers approach so far has been somewhat contradictory.

On one hand they are taking about building a replacement asap and on the other they are submitting an application to create a public square on the demolished site.

Suggests they are keeping their options open to sell the cleared site on again.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #106
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I genuinely don't think their plan is to sell the site on, that doesn't tend to be their style, however, on their other sites - Great Charles Street and the Luminare they seem happy to wait around for the right tenant to kick things off, this cant happen here!
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Old March 19th, 2015, 06:28 PM   #107
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Good point because they don't have a good track record at getting things built.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #108
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I genuinely don't think their plan is to sell the site on, that doesn't tend to be their style, however, on their other sites - Great Charles Street and the Luminare they seem happy to wait around for the right tenant to kick things off, this cant happen here!
I agree. The developer has for too long dictated developments in the city and reneged on planning applications. Lets see the colour of their money.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 06:32 PM   #109
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This will show us how big the iceberg really is.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 06:33 PM   #110
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the benefits with this scheme is that they have a funder already in place with suggestion it will be a speculative build... so hopefully things may be different here.... I hope!
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Old March 19th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #111
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Best to keep optimistic! I'm still hopeful that BST is going to happen.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #112
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I think this project is different to lumina and GCS

This has rockspring as a partner

Sterling are developing lumina on their own and GCS is a joint venture with BCC so I can see why they haven't got moving so much...


I'd also say that lumina is still a fairly new application and I don't think they've ever stated it would be built speculatively, more that it COULD be built by the earliest date possible to intice a pre let

GCS is out on a limb from the main core

This is slap bang in the most high profile location and should manage to sign up a tennant easily and it has been stated it will be speculatively built


I think the denolition app was submitted early to try and get the end product to market ASAP they probably included the landscaping as a short term proposal if things go wrong to try and get it through planning without being rejected as a concern Itll be hoarded up... Obviously that's happened now but they was probably hoping to avoid that and get on with the demolition


It's in the developers best interest to get it underway


If a tower crane is being used for the demolition I'm assuming it could be used for the build maybe?
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Old March 19th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #113
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http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/busi...it-out-8876387
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“The plans are currently out for consultation and our intention is to refine them following the consultation exercise and to lodge an application in May.
If their intentions are true we'll only have to wait two months anyway.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 08:33 PM   #114
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So a 2-3 month delay, if it gets through planning first time that is


They've got a 10-12 month demolition programme so plenty of time to catch up on my eyes
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Old March 19th, 2015, 08:40 PM   #115
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My first reaction earlier was what the hell are the Council playing at.

Having seen the reason behind the refusal now though, all I can think is good on 'em!

If only developers had to prove they had the funds and intention to actually build more often.

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Old March 19th, 2015, 10:33 PM   #116
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I was always skeptical about the demolition and then permission... It made no sense as a full application would include the demolition anyway so for the sake of 13 weeks and possibly not getting permission for the second application the risk is huge.

Seemed an odd strategy.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 12:10 PM   #117
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Stinks of sitting on the land waiting for a resale to me. Good tactile move by the council, standing up for themselves for once.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 12:39 PM   #118
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Ahhh ... Panic station already.

A planning app will go in, this will be demolished, new tower will start as soon as it can. 8 weeks delay. Meh ... in today's industry it's nothing.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 01:42 PM   #119
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I would rather we still had Natwest Tower than demolish it for the site to sit idle for a year or two. Let's now see how serious they are!
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 09:55 PM   #120
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New photo of 103 Colmore Row seen from level 7 at the Library of Birmingham.

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