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Old June 1st, 2016, 12:08 PM   #1
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Application Number 2016/04486/PA
Application Type Full Planning
Site Address Centenary Square Broad Street City Centre Birmingham B1 2ND
Proposal Remodelling and resurfacing of Centenary Square to provide a new civic space including hard and soft landscaping, reflecting pool, fountains, feature poles and associated development
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Old June 1st, 2016, 12:12 PM   #3
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Old June 1st, 2016, 12:15 PM   #5
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Cannot stand this... Thanks for the pics all the same
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Old June 1st, 2016, 12:46 PM   #6
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Are they going to use the fountain outlets as flagpole spigots for when they put the ice rink in place? That's a decent multi-use. I'm with Pave I don't think this has improved the incredible Persian Rug design from 1990. The banding stripes also clash with the geometry - if you want elongate something you stripe it long ways.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 01:42 PM   #7
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Ugh.


Trees in front of one of the most photographed buildings in the country?
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Old June 1st, 2016, 01:47 PM   #8
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What happened to the white paving?
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Old June 1st, 2016, 01:49 PM   #9
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Looks disgusting
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Old June 1st, 2016, 01:58 PM   #10
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Still an improvement on how it is currently. Not much of one though.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 02:02 PM   #11
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Ditto with Pave, MSP, Biosonic and BCA.

If this is what we are getting, why not just not draw down the borrowings employed to construct the Library, at least we'll pay less interest (subject to the wording of the contract) and gain something.

Clever soft planting alone at far less cost could achieved a far better space.

I am quite certain there are very clever Birmingham citizens that could have used the same monies and have created something far far more appealing to more of its citizens (IMHO).
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Old June 1st, 2016, 02:06 PM   #12
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Its hard to argue that each of the individual elements are bad per se, who doesn't like trees, flowers, fountains and reflecting pools but taken as a whole it is fussy and messy with no overall coherence imo.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 02:20 PM   #13
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What was the point in going to great expense to have a design competition, then for the council to totally ignore it?

Where is the waterway around the Hall of Remembrance?
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Old June 1st, 2016, 02:40 PM   #14
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Must admit I cannot see the point of a re design. what we have is already good quality. The 'carpet' will be out of fashion for 5 or 6 years but when block paving is replaced in all other city centres it will come back around. The design of the square is fine as it is - just needs the fountain putting back. At least it serves as an event space - something it will struggle to do with this re design. Also, the council are pinning their hopes on Festival Square - which will be the third attempt at an event space after Centenary and Millennium Point. I just cannot see that working with resi around it and poorer connectivity.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 02:42 PM   #15
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I don't think there is any expense for a competition?

It's an opportunity for practices to showcase their ideas for a big project, it's effectively marketing for them for other projects and developers, the council gives a brief and picks their preffered option with them then awarded the more detailed contract and payment
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What was the point in going to great expense to have a design competition, then for the council to totally ignore it?

Where is the waterway around the Hall of Remembrance?
There was a competition. This design won it. It didn't include water around the Hall of Memory.
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All we need are some grassy areas and trees to stop this square feeling so baron and empty. This redesign is utterly unnecessary.

As I've said before, the inclusion of a fountain is extremely questionable when the most prominent water feature in the city (Victoria Square) cannot be maintained. Besides, fountains of this nature only work in nice weather which a) is a rarity, meaning it will create a horrible spray if left on the rest of the year and b) nice weather = events which will mean the fountain needs to be turned off.

There is also a lack of street furniture from what I can see - another issue that would be solved by more grass.
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Old June 1st, 2016, 03:46 PM   #19
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There was a competition. This design won it. It didn't include water around the Hall of Memory.
The public competition was won by the one with water around the Hall of Memory if I recall.

I think this design is pretty boring. Lack of focal point and also takes away from the surrounding buildings rather than helping them become a focal point. The light poles are ridiculous. Greenery and trees and a water feature would have been awesome as long as the trees were well kept at the right height to not take over the library. Also why oh why did they choose that as the signiture water feature. I can see it would be fun for parents and children but it seems impracticle with the English weather and on a daily basis.

Would have been better with a smaller but more of a show piece fountain.
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Maybe the red surround area could be used as a running track
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