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Old June 2nd, 2016, 09:58 AM   #41
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There's a Starbucks inside The ICC, isn't that open 7 days a week?
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 10:36 AM   #43
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The public competition was won by the one with water around the Hall of Memory if I recall.
There may have been a public vote, but the public was never going to select the winning design.
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I don't understand the need for the flagpoles creating unnecessary clutter. What is their exact purpose? Its not overly clear what they are. As for the reflecting pool this will just become strewn with windswept litter or filled with bubble bath. I quite like the concept of the fountains but share concerns already flagged about cost of maintenance. Its always good to see more trees in the city centre. I would have liked to have seen a large lawn incorporated where people say sit down in the sun. Apart from around the Cathedral the city centre is seriously lacking green space.
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 12:02 PM   #45
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Think of the military parades, armed forces day, remembrance Sunday etc.
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 12:08 PM   #46
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From the 27 June the area of Broad Street between Paradise Queensway and Bridge Street will be known as Centenary Square.

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They'll need to rename Paradise Circus Queensway too - as it's not a 'Circus' anymore. I think the same applies to St Martin's too.
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Not sure why you need another cafe when you include the one at the library that fronts the square and the terrace to the front of the Rep. I think 3 cafes is a bit over kill.
True, but it's more about creating an additional feature in the square (the pavilion itself could be a work of art) and maintaining vibrancy in the square too. Sited centrally, nr Broad Street, would give customers great views of the entire square and create variety in the pedestrian movement. Admittedly, a completed Arena Central/Tram Stop will help in this regard also.

Let's also not forget how many cafes and eateries surround the central square in Brindleyplace - maybe you can't have enough?
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What the design needs to do is somehow blend together the buildings, which are in a hodge-podge of different styles. More than anything, the square needs to have life in it. The buzz of people going by. That's why I like the new, big "corner" entrance to New Street station on Stephenson Place - you have a sense that this is where it's at with the trams trundling past and a steady flow of movement.
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They'll need to rename Paradise Circus Queensway too - as it's not a 'Circus' anymore. I think the same applies to St Martin's too.
When they got rid of St Martin's Circus Queensway the replacement from New Street Station to under the Bullring became just St Martin's Queensway.
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The poles look like they are going to be used for illumination purposes which could be nice but I agree they definitely block the view. If the poles are a nice visual feature it would be nice to get a rooftop bar or restaurant somewhere near the square perhaps in one of the new Paradise blocks.

I agree there could be a clash of too many cafes but like someone said the one in Brindley place works on two levels of being a work of art and a cafe. Something like that would have complimented the square. The square seems to be devoid of art on the side where the water feature is and would look much better if they had a competition to bring in a nice sculpture or bring back the old fountain which used to be on the square.
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Indicative plans for new Copthorne include rooftop restaurant / bar.
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Old June 2nd, 2016, 08:25 PM   #53
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For ref, the runners-up on the shortlist are here:

http://www.ribacompetitions.com/cent...shortlist.html
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For ref, the runners-up on the shortlist are here:

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I prefer the Atkins proposal.
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I prefer the Atkins proposal.
You want more grey in the city centre? The tram route is bad enough. Stephenson street is an awful, miserable looking street.
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Its got more greenary than the winning Graeme Massie proposal and I prefer the landscaping around the Hall of Memory, plus there is less clutter without those stupid flagpoles.
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I don't understand the need for the flagpoles creating unnecessary clutter. What is their exact purpose? Its not overly clear what they are.
Lighting, power columns (for markets etc.) and cctv.

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True, but it's more about creating an additional feature in the square (the pavilion itself could be a work of art) and maintaining vibrancy in the square too. Sited centrally, nr Broad Street, would give customers great views of the entire square and create variety in the pedestrian movement. Admittedly, a completed Arena Central/Tram Stop will help in this regard also.

Let's also not forget how many cafes and eateries surround the central square in Brindleyplace - maybe you can't have enough?
Theres only 3 (2 until very recently) around Brindleyplace, 1 pavilion and 2 shops.

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What the design needs to do is somehow blend together the buildings, which are in a hodge-podge of different styles. More than anything, the square needs to have life in it. The buzz of people going by. That's why I like the new, big "corner" entrance to New Street station on Stephenson Place - you have a sense that this is where it's at with the trams trundling past and a steady flow of movement.
The documents submitted explain this and how the design tries to react to these issues in terms of people flow etc.

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The poles look like they are going to be used for illumination purposes which could be nice but I agree they definitely block the view. If the poles are a nice visual feature it would be nice to get a rooftop bar or restaurant somewhere near the square perhaps in one of the new Paradise blocks.
There are a limited number of poles in front of the library. I believe 4 rows are removed from the front of the library.
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Old June 3rd, 2016, 12:15 PM   #58
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The cafe in the library and the Starbucks in the ICC do not provide the function that this square needs from a cafe, which is to bring life to the square, preventing it from being an enormous glorified walkway. The Costa at Brindley Place - smack bang in the middle - does provide this function by making the square... functional. But that square is a lot smaller, obviously more than a cafe is needed in this instance.


As for the poles, I don't think any justification provided makes them any less grotesque or unnecessary.
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And you can see all the other crazy entries here:

http://www.ribacompetitions.com/cent...e/entries.html
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I think this looks awesome. Just saying

Lots of greenery, almost a park feel, to break up the vast open space we have at present. Lovely colours of trees and will look stunning in autumn. The Library is an attractive interesting building but how it interacts at ground level is awful, windswept open and stark, this will create interest and will encourage people to meander.

Not sure about the poles but the water feature is nice enough, it almost has a park or arboretum feel.
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